Speaking of race & white guilt

[Kramer]

Things have gotten so bad that I seriously doubt a white president could survive such disastrous conditions and continue as president. Even Jimmy Carter was in better shape during his awful one term as president. Our nation has never been in such a dangerous place as we are today. The Civil War, WWII, and the Great Depression aren't on par with this man-made disaster we are living today. With the white mainstream press heavily invested in Obama they stand side by side, shoulder to shoulder with him (propping him up) as the ship sinks. They aren't going to turn on him until the very last minute. They are hoping for a miracle that will never arrive in Obama. He has been a dismal failure; the worst thing that has ever happened to our country. Obama is the result of liberalism gone mad. Liberalism taking hold and paralyzing every facet of our society. And out of fear of being labeled a racist nobody is calling a spade a spade. The emperor has no cloths. Folks, wake up and smell the coffee! Have we all gone MAD?

[Christians4LessGvt]

Obama is the result of liberalism gone mad.

He's also the result of half-witted dumbass Republicans in
certain states voting in the primaries for horrible, terrible,
one-foot-in-the-grave, candidates that the party establishment
has decided "well it's their turn". People like a McCain or a Bob Dole.
These tiny population states have way too much power in the
early primaries and give these "losers" momentum that sometimes
is hard to stop. And of course the liberal media piles on and fawns
over these "losers" so they look better, but the Meet The Press
fawning is just because they know these people will probably
lose in November to the Democrat.

[Kramer]

Obama is the result of liberalism gone mad.

He's also the result of half-witted dumbass Republicans in
certain states voting in the primaries for horrible, terrible,
one-foot-in-the-grave, candidates that the party establishment
has decided "well it's their turn". People like a McCain or a Bob Dole.
These tiny population states have way too much power in the
early primaries and give these "losers" momentum that sometimes
is hard to stop.

Do you agree that we are in the middle of the worst disaster, the most dire of circumstances, right now than at any time in our nations history? And that we have no leadership and the person that is supposed to be leading us through this disaster is himself a disaster and is unable and incapable of doing the job?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Do you agree that we are in the middle of the worst disaster, the most dire of circumstances, right now than at any time in our nations history?
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The Civil War was far worse, WWII was worse. So no, I do not agree.

During the Civil War, there were fanatics incapable of compromise on both sides. During WWII we had more agreement and fewer Republicans.

All that needs to happen now is that the sign the debt ceiling and work from there. The problem is due to the moronic 'baggers and the even more moronic fools who elected them.

[Kramer]

Do you agree that we are in the middle of the worst disaster, the most dire of circumstances, right now than at any time in our nations history?
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The Civil War was far worse, WWII was worse. So no, I do not agree.

During the Civil War, there were fanatics incapable of compromise on both sides. During WWII we had more agreement and fewer Republicans.

All that needs to happen now is that the sign the debt ceiling and work from there. The problem is due to the moronic 'baggers and the even more moronic fools who elected them.

yeah, but during the Civil War and WWII we had LEADERSHIP. We have a runaway freight train and the conductor has jumped off with nobody steering. I'm sure that will go over your head. Analogies like that escape your high level of whatever you call it.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Kramer......I agree we are in dire circumstances.
But you must realize what the leftist have planned & accomplished.
The Left has created a huge segment of our society that are dependents.
I think I read somewhere that about half the population pays no income tax
The giveaways were not goodhearted....
The giveaways were intended to create dependents
Dependents equal voters for the welfare pimps.

So you see...no matter how bad it gets
the leeches wont vote out their meal-tickets.
Look at California
It's been a disaster with Democrats mostly in charge and in control
You think the Republicans can ever control the Cali legislature again?
NOT.....not gonna happen.
Why?....
because no matter how bad it gets govt tit suckers wont vote against their "freebies"

so sure Obama is HORRIBLE
but again he's got a large contingent of "no matter what voters"
so Obama will be hard to beat no matter what
I think he can be beat...
but it's not gonna be any "cakewalk".

[Kramer]

I think I read somewhere that about half the population pays no income tax

this is why I have advocated taxing and raising taxes on the people that are the biggest users & abusers of our dependency culture system..

[Xavier_Onassis]

but during the Civil War and WWII we had LEADERSHIP.

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If you read the newspapers from the Civil War period, you will find that Lincoln got even more criticism than Obama did about nearly everything: the inability of the Army to fight the war or even engage the enemy, the graft and corruption of military acquisitions and his wife's manic shopping trips.

Had it not been for the victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, there is little chance that he would have been reelected, and McClellan would have most likely brokered a deal with the Confederacy.

[Kramer]

but during the Civil War and WWII we had LEADERSHIP.

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If you read the newspapers from the Civil War period, you will find that Lincoln got even more criticism than Obama did about nearly everything: the inability of the Army to fight the war or even engage the enemy, the graft and corruption of military acquisitions and his wife's manic shopping trips.

Had it not been for the victories at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, there is little chance that he would have been reelected, and McClellan would have most likely brokered a deal with the Confederacy.

Lincoln wasn't elected exclusively because of his race. He got elected because of his qualifications. Lincoln was a leader, Obama is a boy...

[BT]

So is Obama an inept leader because he is black or is he an inept leader because he is inept?

[Christians4LessGvt]

So is Obama an inept leader because he is black or is he an inept leader because he is inept?

he was elected because he is black....
but being black has nothing to do with his ineptness
if he was white & doing the same things...he'd be just as big a failure
his near total lack of experience
his passiveness
his naivety
and his pursuit of failed leftest ideology is why he is inept

[Kramer]

So is Obama an inept leader because he is black or is he an inept leader because he is inept?

He got elected because he is black; the vast majority of people voted for him not knowing much of anything about him other than his blackness and as it turns out they elected an inept black man. Race and ineptness don't go hand in hand they are separate from each other.

[Kramer]

On the other hand, many people were turned off from McCain because he was old and unhealthy looking. But I doubt he's inept...just an asshole that leans too far left.

[BT]

So Obama was given the chance because folks didn't want McCain at the wheel and were ready for a change from the GOP?

Did he beat Hillary because he was black or did he beat her because she was a: a Clinton or b: a woman?

or did he beat her because he out hustled her.

[Christians4LessGvt]

Did he beat Hillary because he was black

Yes!