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Thou shalt not speak Arabic
« on: April 18, 2016, 11:00:44 AM »
Arabic-speaking student kicked off Southwest flight
By Carma Hassan and Catherine E. Shoichet, CNN

Khairuldeen Makhzoomi says he was removed from a Southwest flight for speaking on the phone in Arabic.

(CNN)One day, Khairuldeen Makhzoomi was proudly asking the U.N. secretary-general a question. The next, he was booted from a Southwest flight and questioned by the FBI.

For the 26-year-old student at University of California, Berkeley, it was a shocking turn.
Now he's pushing for an apology from the airline and spreading the word about what happened, which he calls a clear case of Islamaphobia.
It all started, according to Makhzoomi, after he decided to call his uncle in Baghdad after getting on the plane. While he waited for takeoff on his flight from Los Angeles to Oakland, California, they chatted in Arabic about an event he'd been excited to attend the day before: a dinner with U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.
"I just called him and talked to him about it and everything, and he told me (to) call him when I get to Oakland, and I said, 'insha'Allah insha'Allah (God willing), I will call you when I arrive.' And during the conversation a lady was staring at me," Makhzoomi said.
The political science student thought the woman might have been concerned with how loudly he spoke on the phone. He saw her abruptly leave the plane. And suddenly, the situation turned.
"One guy came with police officers within two minutes -- I can't believe how fast they were -- and told me to get off the plane," he said.

Airline: 'Report of potentially threatening comments'
Southwest declined to provide details about the incident but said in a written statement that the airline doesn't tolerate discrimination.
"Prior to the departure of Flight 4620, our crew made the decision to investigate a report of potentially threatening comments overheard onboard our aircraft. A group of our employees including the flight crew made the decision to review the situation. We understand local law enforcement also spoke with that passenger as the aircraft departed the gate," Southwest said.
Prior to the departure of Flight 4620, our crew made the decision to investigate a report of potentially threatening comments

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"To respect the privacy of those involved, we will not publicly share any further specifics of the event. We prefer to communicate directly with our customers to address concerns and feedback regarding their travel experience."
"No further action" was taken after questioning Makhzoomi, an FBI spokeswoman said.
Makhzoomi says he hasn't received an apology from Southwest since he got kicked off the April 6 flight.
"All I want is an apology today," Makhzoomi said. "We as a people, Iraqi, American, Iranian, we share one thing in common, and that is our dignity. If someone tries to take that away from us, we should fight but not with aggression, with knowledge and education. One must stand for his principle."

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'I felt oppressed'
Getting escorted off the plane was only the beginning, Makhzoomi said.
From, there, he said, the situation only got worse.
"The guy who came and pulled me from the plane, he took me to the jet bridge, I believe he worked with Southwest and I must say he was aggressive in the way he treated me. He was not very nice. He tried to speak to me in Arabic, but I couldn't understand his Arabic, so I asked him to speak to me in English," Makhzoomi said. "I felt oppressed. I was afraid. He said, 'You seem that you were having a serious conversation on the phone. Who were you talking to?' "
Makhzoomi told him he had been speaking with his uncle and showed him the video of the dinner with Ban Ki-moon.
According to Makhzoomi, the man responded, "Why are you talking in Arabic? You know the environment is very dangerous."
Then, Makhzoomi said, dogs came and sniffed his bag, someone searched him at the gate and took his wallet, and FBI agents escorted him away.
He says one of the agents asked a question that surprised him: "You need to be very honest with us with what you said about the martyrs. Tell us everything you know about the martyrs.'
"The moment that she said that, I told her I never said that word, I only said insha'Allah."
The questioning soon ended.
"Southwest will not fly you back," the agent said, according to Makhzoomi. "You may go."
'New normal' for Muslims?
Makhzoomi said Southwest gave him a refund, and he booked a flight home on Delta. By the time he returned to Oakland, he was so shaken he took to his bed and slept for days.
Then, he contacted the Council on American-Islamic Relations. The organization says it's the latest sign of an alarming trend.
"It's frightening on an individual level. This story is frightening when it's a singular incident," CAIR representative Zahra Billoo said, "and it's problematic that there's numerous complaints against Southwest and others this year. This is just the new normal for Muslims while flying."
Southwest says its primary focus is safety.
"We wouldn't remove a passenger from a flight without a collaborative decision rooted in established procedures," the airline said. "Southwest neither condones nor tolerates discrimination of any kind. Our company could not survive if we believed otherwise. In fact, a cursory view of our workforce, as well as our expansive, multicultural customer base, is a reliable indicator that we exalt and appreciate diversity."
CNN's Sheena Jones contributed to this report.
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Re: Thou shalt not speak Arabic
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2016, 11:05:49 AM »
He was not coddled, obviously.

If he had been speaking about Jesus in hillbilly English this would not have happened.

This was a travesty. But if I were this guy, I would never speak Arabic on a crowded plane. It gets the other passengers all anxious.
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2016, 01:25:30 PM »
He was not coddled, obviously.

This also wasn't on a tax payer paid campus either, which is where my coddling reference was directed.     ::)

It's always a minority of some that screw things up for the vast majority of the rest....in this case, the fear of Islamic terrorists having made it onto a plane, that they have historically been able to take down, making it more problematic for the vast majority of perfectly harmless Muslims to travel.  Not supporting what the airline did, but its understandible, given the lives at risk, when the plane has left the ground
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Re: Thou shalt not speak Arabic
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2016, 01:37:46 PM »
So we should give up freedom of speech....

Got another little item further on about the right to privacy....should we give that up too?
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2016, 01:49:19 PM »
Now who said or even inferred that??  You keep forgetting H, I'm a staunch supporter of the Bill of Rights...as in ALL of them.  People should be allowed to say whatever they want, even if it makes another person's blood boil.  That's the whole point of the campus lunacy thread, "safe spaces", and pathologic political correctness, where people think they have some right, not to be offended, or else its deemed "hate speech"

I merely referenced how I understand why an AIRLINE, did what it did.  Not that I support it, but understand why
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Re: Thou shalt not speak Arabic
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2016, 01:54:53 PM »
If the idea is to get 160 passengers safely to their destination, then the airline is taking a bit of a risk to assume that some overly sensitive passengers will grab the Arabic speaker and throttle him, or other wise  cause a ruckus 25000 feet up  there.

So someone decided that it was best to remove the Arabic speaker and let the other 159 passengers get what they paid for.
The good of the few is outweighed by the  good of the many. The old Star Trek dilemma.
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Re: Thou shalt not speak Arabic
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2016, 03:10:32 PM »
Why? He passed the same security checks everyone else did, had to take his shoes off and empty his pockets just like they did - why was he the only one out of 160 passengers pulled off the plane? What if he had been speaking, say, Hebrew, Farsi, oh any language, and the person who overheard him didn't know the difference? A friend of mine was severely beaten after 9/11 for wearing a turban by a group of rednecks who mistook him for Arabic (he was Sikh). So now anyone who speaks Arabic can't fly without harassment simply for using their native language on a phone call?

It just surprises me the number of people who just say oh, well, it's okay if it makes us feel safer.

Benjamin Franklin said it - Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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Re: Thou shalt not speak Arabic
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2016, 03:40:32 PM »
Well that is true he really didn't need to speak arabic to sound it. Several languages spoken by him would likely get the same response.


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Re: Thou shalt not speak Arabic
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2016, 04:17:54 PM »
In Mexico, we used to mock the Call to Prayer with the words ¡Bajaaa la Jaulaaa Jaiiime!

Baja la Jaula, Jaime ~ Lower the Cage, Jimmy.

I agree that it was wrong to throw the guy off the plane and manhandle him as they did.
I am not sure what the best way to resolve the problem with queasy fellow passengers.

Would giving them a talk have helped?
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2016, 04:42:18 PM »
Why? He passed the same security checks everyone else did, had to take his shoes off and empty his pockets just like they did - why was he the only one out of 160 passengers pulled off the plane? What if he had been speaking, say, Hebrew, Farsi, oh any language, and the person who overheard him didn't know the difference? A friend of mine was severely beaten after 9/11 for wearing a turban by a group of rednecks who mistook him for Arabic (he was Sikh). So now anyone who speaks Arabic can't fly without harassment simply for using their native language on a phone call?

It just surprises me the number of people who just say oh, well, it's okay if it makes us feel safer.

Benjamin Franklin said it - Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

You'll note I never said it was ok, merely that I understand why they did what they did.  It was absolutely an over reaction
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2016, 08:13:25 PM »
Maltese is a dialect of Arabic, and the Maltese are very devout Catholics.But the ones who travel would surely know English.
Malta was conquered by Arabs and later by Venice. Then the British moved in. Quite a history.
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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2016, 11:02:01 PM »
   In the environment of an aircraft, when you meet your old friend Jack , who you have not seen in years, it is not illegal to greet your old friend Jack with a hearty , loud "Hi Jack!" but you might be misunderstood .

     I wish that Islam did not engender fear , but there are people who want Islam to be feared and they do genuine harm in the name of Islam.

     If the majority of Muslims want peace , what can they do about the minority that is picking a fight and not leaving them out of it?

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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2016, 01:43:52 AM »
Actually that has been brought up several times and unfortunately not very much. History has multiple example of how such a small group has such control of the masses. We have very little precidences of uprising doing well

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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2016, 02:43:20 AM »
  There is a small minority of Christians who want to stomp out competitors with violence. Between six hundred and a thousand years ago this would have been a common attitude in Christian leadership.

     So did we move in the right direction?

      How did that happen?

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2016, 03:21:46 AM »
Not really sure