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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: BT on March 27, 2007, 06:34:35 AM
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I don't know if this story got any play in this forum, but it seems to me this issue is on par with pharmacists refusing to dispense plan B drugs. BT
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Target is transferring cashiers who avoid pork
Some Somali Muslims say the retailer is overreacting to customer criticism.
By Chris Serres and Matt McKinney, Star Tribune
In the wake of community criticism, Target Corp. is reassigning its Muslim cashiers who refuse to ring up pork products for religious reasons to other jobs at the stores.
Target received a wave of criticism earlier this week after the Star Tribune reported in a front-page article that some Muslim cashiers at Target declined to scan bacon and other pork products. They would call over another cashier to ring up the products, or in some cases, ask customers to do it themselves.
Some customers called and wrote Target to complain about the practice; a few called for a general boycott of Target on the Star Tribune's community blog, buzz.mn.
After the story appeared, Target asked Muslim cashiers who refuse to handle pork to wear gloves or transfer to other areas of the stores. In some cases, Muslim cashiers will be given the option of transferring to other stores. "We are confident that this is a reasonable solution for our guests and team members," Target spokeswoman Paula Thornton-Greear said in a statement. It remains unclear whether wages would be affected by any job transfers; cashiers are generally entry-level positions at Target.
"Blown way out of proportion"
The move is an effort by Target to balance the religious rights of its employees with customer demands for prompt service. However, some Somali Muslims in the Twin Cities said that the retailer is overreacting to public pressure and that stores should be able to accommodate Muslim cashiers without disrupting service.
"This is being blown way out of proportion," said Abdi Sheikhosman, a professor of Islamic law at the University of Minnesota Law School. "Pork products represent a very small percentage of Target's overall products. ... Accommodations could have been made."
Target's new policy is similar to ones at other grocery stores in the area. Spokespeople for the chains that operate Cub and Rainbow food stores said Muslims who share concerns about pork during the interview process are told of opportunities in departments such as dairy, floral or customer service that don't involve handling pork.
"There are many jobs in the grocery store that do not involve handling pork," said Vivian King, a spokeswoman for Roundy's, which owns Rainbow stores.
Each Target store appears to have some leeway in implementing the new policy. At the downtown Minneapolis Target, employees were called into one-on-one meetings Thursday and asked whether they were opposed to handling pork for religious reasons. Those who said yes were told they could no longer work as cashiers during the store's busiest hours, 12 p.m. to 1:30 p.m., according to an employee at the store who requested anonymity.
At the SuperTarget off Hwy. 7 in St. Louis Park, which has a full grocery section, Muslim cashiers who said they refuse to handle pork were transferred Thursday to the sales floor to stock shelves or fold clothes. It remained unclear whether that change is permanent. The store manager declined to be interviewed, and Thornton-Greear said the company wouldn't discuss the situation at specific stores.
Suhara Robla, a 20-year-old employee at the store, said more than a dozen Muslim cashiers were asked Thursday to do other jobs. "They told all of us who don't touch pork to go to the sales floor," she said. "They really didn't say why. They just said it was a new policy."
Sinful to sell pork?
Many Muslims believe the pig is an unclean animal and consider it a sin to eat pork. The Qur'an has multiple passages in which Allah instructs believers to avoid eating pig flesh. It is so core to their beliefs that some consider it sinful to sell the meat, because that encourages others to participate in a sinful act.
In the Muslim world, there is even a stronger taboo against pork than alcohol, said Owais Bayunus, an imam at the Abu Khudra Mosque in Columbia Heights. Wearing gloves will not solve the issue, he said. "There is a school of thought within the Muslim community that if you sell pork or alcohol to someone, then you are contributing to the propagation of a sinful activity," he said. "Many Muslims do not want to see non-Muslims involved in a sinful product."
At Target stores, some Muslim cashiers opposed to selling pork had grown accustomed to waving over other employees whenever they came across bacon, ham or other pork products, even pepperoni pizza. In many cases, they simply switched on a little light above their registers and another cashier would rush to their side and swipe the product for them.
The practice seemed to work well for Robla. She said she needed help scanning pork products only "about two or three times a day." In other cases, customers would volunteer to swipe the items themselves.
Occasionally, however, Robla said, people would get annoyed when she told them it was because of her religion. "Some people would say, 'If you won't scan it, then I don't want this thing,' " she said. "I don't understand it. Some people don't even want to wait a few seconds."
Mohamed Muse, who also works at the St. Louis Park store but not as a cashier, has no problems with the new policy. "If someone is trying to buy pork, you can't just say, 'Wait here,' " he said. "You can't put a hold on the work system."
Muse, speaking to a reporter Friday afternoon at the Somali mall just off Lake Street, said when he applied for his job six months ago, a human-resources worker asked him whether he could handle pork. Muse, who arrived in the country eight months ago after immigrating with his family from Nairobi, Kenya, said no. "They said OK. So I work mostly with fruits and vegetables overnight," he said. "It was really no problem."
Still, he understands some of the controversy, which has included discussions on area talk-radio stations. "People are sensitive," he said. "They say, 'You are trying to force me to [your] religion! You are losing my time!' All that stuff."
cserres@startribune.com • 612-673-4308 mmckinney@startribune.com • 612-673-7329
link (http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1061103.htm)
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Can't wait for the Walmart cashier who won't ring up a gun or a bowhunters tips because it is against their religion.
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Can't wait for the Walmart cashier who won't ring up a gun or a bowhunters tips because it is against their religion.
Is there such a religion?
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Can't wait for the Walmart cashier who won't ring up a gun or a bowhunters tips because it is against their religion.
Is there such a religion?
Mabye someone who takes seriously the "blessed are the peacemakers" verse and the instruction to "beat your swords into plowshares."
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Can't wait for the Walmart cashier who won't ring up a gun or a bowhunters tips because it is against their religion.
Is there such a religion?
Mabye someone who takes seriously the "blessed are the peacemakers" verse and the instruction to "beat your swords into plowshares."
and ignores the instruction to "kill and eat"?
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How about Buddhism? Some very devout Buddhists wear little net masks so they don't breathe in a bug and kill it by mistake. And they don't eat meat, or use or wear animal products.
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How about Buddhism? Some very devout Buddhists wear little net masks so they don't breathe in a bug and kill it by mistake. And they don't eat meat, or use or wear animal products.
Buddist and Jains may have a problem , but in the regions where these religions interact with others is there such a problem?
Dos this relate at all to Pharmacists who may be required to sell euthanasia drugs against their religion?
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Many drugs could be used for euthanasia, like morphine. Or phenabarbitol. Lots more, if taken in excess.
Interesting that Wal-mart transferred these cashiers. I remember it was quite different when women were denied emergency birth control.
I did tell a local agency that it was against my religion to fill out their form. It asked, "How many times a week do you gamble? 2-5 times or more?" There was no room for zero, so I wouldn't fill it out.
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I did tell a local agency that it was against my religion to fill out their form. It asked, "How many times a week do you gamble? 2-5 times or more?" There was no room for zero, so I wouldn't fill it out.
How many times a week do you get in a car and go somewhere? Go up and down stairs? Get in and out of the bathtub? Or any one of of hundreds of other things people gamble on being able to do without incident each day. You gamble all the time. It may not be trying to beat the odds that you will get a full house and win money on a poker hand, but you take calculated risks and gamble with your life and health every day.
Do you have life insurance? If you do, you're pretty much betting against the insurance company that you will die and collect on the policy, while they are betting that you will live longer and they won't have to pay out before they recoup their investment of your premiums. Health insurance? Same thing, except you're betting you'll get sick and they're betting you won't.
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Interesting that Wal-mart transferred these cashiers.
The story is about Target.
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how on earth can they say their are other ways to deal with this besides transfer
I buy spam and pork rinds everytime I go to target .
explain how a muslim cashier can work around having me as a custiomer.
I`m chinese ,pork is the primary meat eaten by my people.
like beef is in america.
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Target has pork products?
and ignores the instruction to "kill and eat"?
I honestly don't recall Christ ever killing anyone, or for that matter condoning violence of any kind.
Dos this relate at all to Pharmacists who may be required to sell euthanasia drugs against their religion?
I would think so. Though as Lanya said there are many drugs that could be used for suicidal purposes. Personally, if I were a pharmacist, I wouldn't want to sell birth control (though at the same time I wouldn't berate anyone who came to purchase it either).
How many times a week do you get in a car and go somewhere?...
I think it is safe to say that Lanya was implying "games of chance for money." Moreover I would refuse to take that survey because it is statistically useless as it has not left room for a category of people who do not gamble (for whatever reason). That means that their data will be skewed due to poor survey design.
Next time tell them it is against your religion to see such poor survey design and flawed statistics!
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Target has pork products?
Yep, some of them have branched out into groceries, like Super Wally Worlds.
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also very few items are kosher so it`s unknown what has pork in it.
I think animal fat is used in most canned foods for some reason,but what animal is not mentioned.
I remember the jewish community complaing about it a few decades ago.
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I honestly don't recall Christ ever killing anyone, or for that matter condoning violence of any kind.
Oh, I bet the moneychangers thought Jesus was violent the time Jesus used a whip to throw the moneychangers off the temple grounds. I guess it depends on what you mean by 'violence'.
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I support the Muslim store clerks with qualification. If someone gets a job in a store which handles pork products routinely, they should be expected to handle pork. I respect the idea of accomodating religious practices when possible. As a Mormon I would object to selling porn or serving coffee; however, I would noit get a job where I had to do either of these things unless I accepted up front that my standards were being compromised - by me. I worked as a projectionist when I was (much) younger. Sometimes the theater showed a soft-core porn movie. I just tried to do what I could not to watch it but you have to watch the screen for reel changeovers and the like. It was money and I knew going in I would have to do it, so I didn't complain.
If the issue of handling pork is so important to these clerks - and I respect the fact that it is an issue for Muslims - they should seek employment elsewhere. If they can work with Target to accomodate their practices, more power to both sides.
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the article said it only takes a few seconds to have somebody else to scan pork items for me
incorrect it can take up to several minutes.
people hate delays.
anything that create delays in a unforgivable sin.
ex.home depot
it sounds cruel,but thats the reality of the situation
target is not denying people work
they are simply ultilizing them in task more suited for them.
cashiering is not one of them.
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I honestly don't recall Christ ever killing anyone, or for that matter condoning violence of any kind.
Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:33-35 (in Context) Matthew 10
Acts 10:13
Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
Acts 10:12-14 (in Context) Acts 10
http://www.biblegateway.com/
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That scripture verse is out of context. God was telling Peter to eat unclean foods. It would be normal to kill it before he ate it because, well, ya know, yuck!
The vision here was a reference to bringing the Gospel to the Gentiles. It was about saving - not killing.
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I honestly don't recall Christ ever killing anyone, or for that matter condoning violence of any kind.
Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:33-35 (in Context) Matthew 10
Acts 10:13
Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
Acts 10:12-14 (in Context) Acts 10
http://www.biblegateway.com/
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That scripture verse is out of context. God was telling Peter to eat unclean foods. It would be normal to kill it before he ate it because, well, ya know, yuck!
The vision here was a reference to bringing the Gospel to the Gentiles. It was about saving - not killing.
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Can't wait for the Walmart cashier who won't ring up a gun or a bowhunters tips because it is against their religion.
Is there such a religion?
Mabye someone who takes seriously the "blessed are the peacemakers" verse and the instruction to "beat your swords into plowshares."
The run of the mill Christian should not have a problem with hunting.
We eat Pork because God told Peter to convert our ancestors without worring about their diet.
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I honestly don't recall Christ ever killing anyone, or for that matter condoning violence of any kind.
Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:33-35 (in Context) Matthew 10
Acts 10:13
Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
Acts 10:12-14 (in Context) Acts 10
http://www.biblegateway.com/
There is a general tenet held by many that if one is religious in their religion, waging violence is wrong and peacefulness is right, without fail, all the time.
When the angel appeared to Daniel in the Lion's Den, Daniel complained of the tardiness. The angel told him he had been fighting for twenty some days to get to him, battling dark angels.
The Hindus, and well as many religions, have Gods of War.
All you have to remember when you are finding yourself in your religion is the little picture every mystic and every philospher should have on their wall--the one where a little fish is about to be gobbled by a larger fish coming from behind, to be followed yadda yadda.
You get a pretty good clue about the birth of violence when you come across the truth that, in order to live, you have to kill something and chew it down.
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Oh, I bet the moneychangers thought Jesus was violent the time Jesus used a whip to throw the moneychangers off the temple grounds. I guess it depends on what you mean by 'violence'.
The universal response is to reply with the money changers.
The text is found in a few of the Gospels, but I'll use Matthew 21:12-13 for now.
12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all those engaged in selling and buying there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves.
13 And he said to them, "It is written: 'My house shall be a house of prayer,' but you are making it a den of thieves."
Here Jesus is directly alluding to Isaiah 56:7 (it is interesting to note that Isaiah is referenced more than any other book):
Them I will bring to my holy mountain and make joyful in my house of prayer; Their holocausts and sacrifices will be acceptable on my altar, For my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.
And note that Matthew leaves off the prepositional phrase "for all peoples." This is not without purpose given Matthew's intended audience, but that's a discussion for another day.
Clearly Jesus is not condoning violence for his followers. To take that from the incident with the money changers is to completely miss the point here. Christ says, "My House" has become a "den of thieves" due to the money changers.
What was happening? The money changers were a part of the process for selling objects that were required for religious practices of the Jewish people. The only coinage accepted by the merchants selling the doves and bulls was the coin of Tyre, so the money changers were the 1st century equivalent of foreign currency exhangers. The Priestly class condoned this activity which was clearly in contrast to Isaiah's statement.
As I said, this is not some bizarre lesson that Christian's may use violence.
Acts 10:13
Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
Acts 10:12-14 (in Context) Acts 10
I cannot explain it better than Pooch did.
Matthew 10:34
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:33-35 (in Context) Matthew 10
The "context" really begins with verse 32:
32 Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father.
33 But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father.
Clearly this is once again not some sort of bizarre call to violent arms of Christ's followers. This is Jesus discussing the final judgement of the Heavenly Father. The parallel is Luke 12:8-10
8 I tell you, everyone who acknowledges me before others the Son of Man will acknowledge before the angels of God.
9 But whoever denies me before others will be denied before the angels of God.
10 "Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven.
Honestly, you are not going to find Christ as some bloody warrior. That is not Christ-like, no matter how much modern culture wishes Him to be otherwise.
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The subject o the question was selling hunting equipment .
It has grown since then, ...
When Jesus drove the money changers out he used a whip as a wepon , he plated this thing himself, this proves that the action was pre-meditated , I guess the driveing out was an exciteing scene with Jesus putting a hurt on thse sedentary theves.
But look what he didn't do , he didn't lead a mob , he didn't exploit the favor with the public this might have earned him , he didn't use a wepon that would have a fatal effect and he didn't use miraculous power.
Thre is a lot going on , I don't want to pretend that I fully understand.
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And note who was doing the driving out of the money changers and where He said He was?
"My House"
and what did Isaiah say about His house?
I really don't think one can simply take that action and then say: "hey Jesus acted violently, so can we!"
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The "sword" I was told was that when Jesus came back, families would be divided.
Do I have it right?
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The "sword" I was told was that when Jesus came back, families would be divided.
Do I have it right?
Is that what he says?
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No, I got it wrong. It isn't talking about the 2nd coming at least as far as I can tell.
"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
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I really don't think one can simply take that action and then say: "hey Jesus acted violently, so can we!"
I agree that we cannot take that one instance by itself and use it as a blanket excuse for violence. But I would say clearly Jesus felt violence was an appropriate reaction to the situation. And given that we are told to be like Jesus, to say that some how Jesus gets to express Himself violently but no one else does seems dishonest. It's like the admonition that Christians should always appear happy even if they're not because Christians have to be good witnesses of Christian joy all the time. Christ was not always happy in public, so it is an obvious double standard that I don't see Christ issuing. I don't recall any place in the Gospels where Jesus said "do as I say not as I do."
I realize there exists a notion that holiness is some sort of perpetually placid state of self-denial and submission, but that is not a notion with which I agree.
In any case, all of this has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.
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I agree that we cannot take that one instance by itself and use it as a blanket excuse for violence. But I would say clearly Jesus felt violence was an appropriate reaction to the situation.
No, but for some reason a lot of people today seem to think that Jesus is condoning violence here. He quite clearly is not. He is cleansing His house.
And given that we are told to be like Jesus, to say that some how Jesus gets to express Himself violently but no one else does seems dishonest.
No. This is why WWJD is completely idiotic. We cannot possibly do what Jesus does (or did). I don't think any of us are going to turn water into booze at the next wedding we attend. I don't think any of us are going to ascend into heaven under our own power either.
The original meaning of the phrase has been obscured (it was a Christian Socialist statement made in the 30's asking why Christians were not properly caring for the poor). It has recently become more of a fashion statement than anything.
The truth is, you have to do as Christ says because you don't have the ability to do as He does. Otherwise you must accept Pelagianism, which is another debate entirely.
The problem with violence is that you must find a way to have it coexist with Christ's two commandments. Look at Luke 10:25-37
25 There was a scholar of the law who stood up to test him and said, "Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
26 Jesus said to him, "What is written in the law? How do you read it?"
27 He said in reply, "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your being, with all your strength, and with all your mind, and your neighbor as yourself."
28 He replied to him, "You have answered correctly; do this and you will live."
29 But because he wished to justify himself, he said to Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"
30 Jesus replied, "A man fell victim to robbers as he went down from Jerusalem to Jericho. They stripped and beat him and went off leaving him half-dead.
31 A priest happened to be going down that road, but when he saw him, he passed by on the opposite side.
32 likewise a Levite came to the place, and when he saw him, he passed by on the opposite side.
33 But a Samaritan traveler who came upon him was moved with compassion at the sight.
34 He approached the victim, poured oil and wine over his wounds and bandaged them. Then he lifted him up on his own animal, took him to an inn and cared for him.
35 The next day he took out two silver coins and gave them to the innkeeper with the instruction, 'Take care of him. If you spend more than what I have given you, I shall repay you on my way back.'
36 Which of these three, in your opinion, was neighbor to the robbers' victim?"
37 He answered, "The one who treated him with mercy." Jesus said to him, "Go and do likewise."
I don't see those two coexisting.
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This is why WWJD is completely idiotic. We cannot possibly do what Jesus does (or did).
However, WWTD is completely logical.
;D
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Is it better to say "What wold Jesus want of me?"
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I agree that we cannot take that one instance by itself and use it as a blanket excuse for violence. But I would say clearly Jesus felt violence was an appropriate reaction to the situation.
No, but for some reason a lot of people today seem to think that Jesus is condoning violence here. He quite clearly is not. He is cleansing His house.
Hold on there just minute. Are you saying Jesus did not believe His violent reaction was appropriate to the situation? Anyway as I said, I agree that we cannot take that one instance by itself and use it as a blanket excuse for violence. However, Jesus being the holy and perfect example for us, I think it is not inappropriate for us to take away a lesson that violence as a response can be a correct response in certain situations. As you point out, Jesus was cleansing His house.
No. This is why WWJD is completely idiotic. We cannot possibly do what Jesus does (or did). I don't think any of us are going to turn water into booze at the next wedding we attend. I don't think any of us are going to ascend into heaven under our own power either.
In general I agree. But I did not say we had to imitate Jesus. I said we are told to be like Jesus. Is that not why Jesus spoke, among other things, of taking up one's cross and following Him?
The problem with violence is that you must find a way to have it coexist with Christ's two commandments. Look at Luke 10:25-37 [...] I don't see those two coexisting.
Oh, I dunno, both commandments come from the Old Testament, and God didn't seem to have any trouble having them coexist with violence then. But leaving that aside, I see no reason why they cannot coexist. I could, if I wanted to take the time, and probably so could you if you wanted, argue that Jesus cleansing the temple in that violent manner was was acting out of both devotion to the Father and love for His neighbors. I would say at the very least that they obviously coexisted with Jesus, unless you're going to argue that Jesus violated His own commandments.
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However, Jesus being the holy and perfect example for us, I think it is not inappropriate for us to take away a lesson that violence as a response can be a correct response in certain situations. As you point out, Jesus was cleansing His house.
Are you the Son of God fulfilling prophecy from Isaiah? Everything Jesus did was not some archetype for our lives. He had an historical mission to fulfill and it is important to note when this took place in the Gospels. Remember that Jesus is a living God, not some symbolic set of tales for our ethical code. That's one reason I have never understood the use of this incident by many Protestants to justify doing harm to others (or at least using Christ to justify it).
This is the problem with sola scriptura.
Is that not why Jesus spoke, among other things, of taking up one's cross and following Him?
No. You're talking about Mark 8:34-35. This utterance of Jesus challenges all believers to authentic discipleship and total commitment to himself through self-renunciation and acceptance of the cross of suffering, even to the sacrifice of life itself.
Oh, I dunno, both commandments come from the Old Testament, and God didn't seem to have any trouble having them coexist with violence then. But leaving that aside, I see no reason why they cannot coexist. I could, if I wanted to take the time, and probably so could you if you wanted, argue that Jesus cleansing the temple in that violent manner was was acting out of both devotion to the Father and love for His neighbors. I would say at the very least that they obviously coexisted with Jesus, unless you're going to argue that Jesus violated His own commandments.
He was fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah. Not exactly a role for you and I, is it?
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Are you the Son of God fulfilling prophecy from Isaiah?
No, but I might be the son of my father defending my house from thieves or worse. Do I need divinity and prophecy for that?
Everything Jesus did was not some archetype for our lives. He had an historical mission to fulfill and it is important to note when this took place in the Gospels. Remember that Jesus is a living God, not some symbolic set of tales for our ethical code. That's one reason I have never understood the use of this incident by many Protestants to justify doing harm to others (or at least using Christ to justify it).
I don't recall saying Christians should all make their own whips and go about thrashing sinners. I said I think it is not inappropriate for us to take away a lesson that violence as a response can be a correct response in certain situations. Jesus was holy, was He not? He was perfect, was He not? We are supposed to strive to be more like Him and less like the world, are we not?
This is the problem with sola scriptura.
Hey, now, don't be hatin'. Let's not get into Protestant vs. Catholic, or I'll have to say something mean.
Is that not why Jesus spoke, among other things, of taking up one's cross and following Him?
No. You're talking about Mark 8:34-35. This utterance of Jesus challenges all believers to authentic discipleship and total commitment to himself through self-renunciation and acceptance of the cross of suffering, even to the sacrifice of life itself.
As I recall, the phrase appears in more than just that one instance. Anyway, what is the point of discipleship to Christ if not to be like Him? Jesus was holy, and if we are to be holy, then He is our example. No, that doesn't mean we ignorantly imitate specific actions, otherwise we would all have to live in Israel, wear sandals, celebrate Passover, and learn carpentry skills. But I'm not suggesting that we have to do that sort of thing. I am not saying that any and all violence is justified. I'm saying that Jesus was holy and He clearly found no conflict between love your neighbor and driving the moneychangers out with a whip. I'm suggesting that means for us that there is an appropriate manner and an appropriate motivation for violence, in certain circumstances, that do not violate the commandments Jesus gave to us.
He was fulfilling the prophecy of Isaiah. Not exactly a role for you and I, is it?
I'm not convinced Jesus was fulfilling a prophecy from Isaiah. He quoted a relevant passage certainly, but that doesn't mean it was a Jesus-specific prophecy. And as I look at the verse from Isaiah in context, I don't believe it is a Jesus-specific prophecy or a prophecy that He was fulfilling by driving out the moneychangers, unless I missed the part about Jesus bringing sons of strangers (foreigners) to the temple to make sacrifices.
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.