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question about paris
« on: June 08, 2007, 04:17:23 PM »
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/06/08/entertainment/e115525D43.DTL

how about this angle
instead of asking is her going to house arrest legal
the real question should be is it fair for our criminals in general be getting such light sentencing.
isn`t paris proof we need to beef up our penalties
starting with paris herself .
it`s stated she`s getting no speacial treatment
which means out courts are too wishy -washy

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Re: question about paris
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2007, 04:26:03 PM »
Why?

In all fairness she didn't do anything that thousands and thousands of people do every year, including some very famous people. If anything, she seems to be getting a lot more scrutiny than most people would.

The question is, would a tougher penalty really prevent the crime? I don't know, but I have my doubts.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2007, 04:31:30 PM »
those concepts is gonna be regarded as liberal nonsense

punishment is the universal answer to everything .
if it doesn`t work,then it just mean it`s not harsh enough.


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Re: question about paris
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2007, 05:54:19 PM »
<<punishment is the universal answer to everything .
<<if it doesn`t work,then it just mean it`s not harsh enough.>>

It would probably work but you have to ask is the price you pay in sacrificing your humanity worth it?

In Paris Hilton's case, I don't think anyone is sacrificing their humanity by making her serve 30 days, but I sure hope they keep a close watch on her and if there IS any medical problem that they intervene in a timely fashion.  Her lawyer sounds like a real schmuck who should be investigated and disbarred if he told the court he had papers that would prove a medical condition and then failing to produce them.

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Re: question about paris
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2007, 06:19:00 PM »
the lawyer is just doing his job
if he can get away with this nonesense i can`t fault him.
I might want to hire him if the need arises.
also this stuff won`t get him disbarred.
cheating his clients is the stuff that would do it
anything that risk other lawyers getting paid will do it.

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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2007, 08:04:54 PM »
 Paris Hilton ordered back to jail
POSTED: 6:01 p.m. EDT, June 8, 2007

LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Screaming and crying, Paris Hilton was escorted from a courtroom and ordered back to jail Friday after a judge, overruling the county sheriff, said she must serve out her entire 45-day sentence behind bars rather than in her Hollywood Hills home.

"It's not right!" shouted Hilton, who violated her probation in a reckless driving case. "Mom!" she called out to her mother in the audience.

Earlier Friday, the 26-year-old hotel heiress was handcuffed and taken from her home in a black-and-white police car, paparazzi sprinting in pursuit and helicopters broadcasting live from above. She entered the courtroom disheveled and weeping, hair askew, without makeup, wearing a fuzzy gray sweat shirt over slacks.

She cried throughout the hearing, dabbing her eyes, and her body shook constantly. Several times, she turned to her parents, seated behind her in the courtroom, and mouthed, "I love you."

Despite being ordered to serve the remainder of her original 45-day sentence, Hilton could still be released early. Inmates are given a day off their terms for every four days of good behavior, and her days in home detention counted as time served. (Timeline: The Hilton case)

Superior Court Judge Michael T. Sauer was calm but apparently irked by the decision by Sheriff Lee Baca -- who oversees the county jails -- to release Hilton three days into her sentence due to an unspecified "medical condition."

"I at no time condoned the actions of the sheriff and at no time told him I approved the actions," Sauer said. "At no time did I approve the defendant being released from custody to her home."

Hilton's release, and the decision to allow her to serve the time at home, angered some local and state authorities and civil rights leaders who said it could interpreted as affording the socialite favors not available to other, less famous, inmates. (Watch the details of Hilton's release Video)
Fans show up at hearing

Many of Hilton's several dozen supporters outside the courthouse appeared devastated.

"No! No! No!" screamed Jake Byrd as a court spokesman delivered the news to reporters outside court.

The hearing was requested by the city attorney's office, which had prosecuted Hilton and wanted Baca held in contempt for releasing Hilton despite Sauer's express order that she must serve her time in jail. The judge took no action on the contempt request.

A member of the county counsel's staff said Baca was willing to come to court with medical personnel. The judge did not take him up on the offer.

Assistant City Attorney Dan F. Jeffries said Hilton's incarceration was purely up to the judge. "Her release after only three days erodes confidence in the judicial system," he said.

Hilton's attorney, Richard Hutton, implored the judge to order a hearing in his chambers to hear testimony about Hilton's medical condition before making a decision. The judge did not respond to that suggestion.

Another of her attorneys, Steve Levine, said, "The sheriff has determined that because of her medical situation, [jail] is a dangerous place for her."

"The court's role here is to let the Sheriff's Department run the jail," he said.

The judge interrupted several times to say that he had received a call last Wednesday from an undersheriff informing him that Hilton had a medical condition and that he would submit papers to the judge to consider. He said the papers never arrived.

Every few minutes, the judge would interrupt proceedings, state the time on the clock, and note that the papers still had not arrived.

He also noted that he had heard that a private psychiatrist visited Hilton in jail, and he wondered if that person played a role in deciding her medical needs.

The last attorney to speak was another deputy city attorney, David Bozanich, who declared, "This is a simple case. There was a court. The Sheriff's Department chose to violate that order. There is no ambiguity."
How she wound up in court

Hilton's twisted jailhouse saga began Sept. 7, when she failed a sobriety test after police saw her weaving down a street in her Mercedes-Benz on what she said was a late-night hamburger run.

She pleaded no contest to reckless driving and was sentenced to 36 months' probation, alcohol education and $1,500 in fines. In the months that followed, she was stopped twice while driving on a suspended license. The second stop landed her in Sauer's courtroom. (Watch Hilton enter jail the first time Video)

Back before Sauer on Friday, Hilton's entire body trembled as the final pitch was made for her further incarceration. She clutched a ball of tissue, and tears ran down her face.

Seconds later, the judge announced his decision: "The defendant is remanded to county jail to serve the remainder of her 45-day sentence. This order is forthwith."

Hilton screamed.

Eight deputies immediately ordered all spectators out of the courtroom. Hilton's mother, Kathy, threw her arms around her husband, Rick, and sobbed uncontrollably.

Deputies escorted Hilton out of the room, holding each of her arms as she looked back.

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Re: question about paris
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2007, 08:29:14 PM »
Everything Paris Hilton does gets special attention. She thrives on it, usually, but going to jail like anyone else who loses their license and drives drunk AGAIN is apparently not something she can thrive on.

She is mostly a Punk Zsa Zsa Gabor. She deserves to spend her short sentence in celebrity lockup as much as anyone else. She has been treated a lot better than Rodney King, but then again she did not try to outrun the cops in a Hyundai Excel.

Her treatment seems to me to be both fair and equitable.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2007, 09:44:07 PM »
Whatever this medical condition is, it didn't prevent her from hitting the red carpet for the MTV movie awards the night before she surrendered for her jail sentence.  The sheriff's office excuse for having her serve her sentence at home was because the psychiatrist has prescribed medication that is more than the jail personnel are allowed to dispense - which makes no sense to me. There must be medical personnel on duty at the jail that are qualified to hand out medication.

There is an overriding sense of entitlement here that is very disturbing, and the sheriff's department has a lot of questions to answer in their decisions in this case. 

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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2007, 10:20:43 PM »
They've got to put one of the elitist in jail once in a while, just to make it look good for the little people. There is no class discrimination in America, there is no class discrimination in America, there is no class discrimination in America. When I snap my fingers you will wake up. Pleazzzzzzzzzzzz! 

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« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2007, 01:15:57 AM »
<<the lawyer is just doing his job
<<if he can get away with this nonesense i can`t fault him.>>

It's not his job to mislead the court.  If he tells the court he has evidence, he damn well better have evidence.  A lawyer is an officer of the court.  The justice system functions as efficiently as it does (and I'm not saying it's a model of efficiency, just that it is possible for it to be functioning at a lower rate of efficiency than its present rate) because of the trust that exists.  Things get taken on trust.  A lawyer gets a judge to do something that needs to be done by undertaking to the judge that he or she will file or deliver a document with the court within a specified time.  If judges can't trust a lawyer's word, the process would function in a much more cumbersome manner.  A lawyer who lies to the court or misleads it, who fails to deliver as promised, is breaching a trust and is eroding the foundation of trust that helps the system to function smoothly.

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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2007, 01:27:16 AM »
According to the report Lanya posted, it was a sheriff's officer who promised the court the "papers" relating to the medical condition.  Different situation.  I was under the impression, probably from a half-listened-to news broadcast, that this was a lawyer, not an undersheriff.  Still a serious situation, because as far as I can tell, a sheriff (and probably an undersheriff as well) is still an officer of the court, and the court has to be able to trust its officers.

Personally, I think money has to be a factor here.  I don't think the Hiltons would be so stupid to offer to bribe the Sheriff, but I do think it's entirely possible that if they let the Sheriff know that Paris is "very sick" and that they'd be very happy for her to be in a "safer" envioronment, the Sheriff can put two and two together, let her out and hope that the HIlton family will remember him one way or the other in his retirement from office.   After all, what's he got to lose?

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2007, 03:59:08 AM »
Michael,
In one news report I heard today, they said that her grandparents (or grandfather, I forget) had given $1000 as a campaign donation to that sheriff a year ago.

The family had better watch it. 
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2007, 12:44:33 PM »
Lanya, families like the Hiltons would give a thousand bucks to every candidate in the running.  It's like a cheap insurance policy.  The bigger bucks would pass under the table, and probably after the guy's out of office.  Unless they need a favour and the matter can't be put off.  There's another post, not sure if it's in this thread, that speaks to the guy's venality.  It's apparently pretty well known.

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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2007, 02:47:04 PM »
Michael,  sure, I understand, but I'm worried they'll overreach and people will get so ticked at their trying to buy Paris special treatment, special justice, that it'll backfire and the penal system won't cut her a break where it might have other, quieter inmates.    You know, like time off for good behavior, etc.    I just hope she finds out in jail that some people are very kind to the clueless. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2007, 03:21:00 PM »
<<Michael,  sure, I understand, but I'm worried they'll overreach and people will get so ticked at their trying to buy Paris special treatment, special justice, that it'll backfire and the penal system won't cut her a break where it might have other, quieter inmates. >>

Life's already cut her so many breaks, Lanya, that she had to be put in protective custody right from the start.  This manipulation of the system sure as hell did't help.  I understand the prosecutors wanted that sheriff to be held in contempt, and I can't understand why the judge ignored that aspect of the case.  Whenever I find myself feeling sorry for Paris, I think of the latest victim of a drunk driver and I find myself wishing they'd just lock her up and throw away the key.