Did you know this about Herman Cain?

[Xavier_Onassis]

This would probably result in a third party candidate running, causing Cain to lose.

I don't see the GOP Oligarchy nominating Cain or any Black man, certainly not one that has never been elected to anything before.

[BT]

This would probably result in a third party candidate running, causing Cain to lose.

I don't see the GOP Oligarchy nominating Cain or any Black man, certainly not one that has never been elected to anything before.

I don't see the oligarchy controlling the outcome of the primaries. The best they can do is dry up funding, but as we have seen since Howard Dean the internet is a magical tool for harvesting the little peoples money.

You may be right and Cain does not win the nomination. But it won't be because the "oligarchy" stopped him. And it may be that the eventual winner hasn't officially entered the race, yet.

[Plane]

  Who do you mean when you say "oligarchy"?

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Oligarchy is the wealthy caste that actually controls the Republican Party. They can call up contributors and tell them who to support, because they can contribute huge sums of money. More huge now, and with no accountability, die to the Supreme Court's lame decision to allow corporate contributions. They perhaps cannot decide who the candidate will be, but they surely can decide who is will NOT be. And they are all WORMS (White Old Rich Men).

Watch and see. Cain's straw poll victory was due to fewer than a thousand atypical people.

[Christians4LessGvt]

The Oligarchy is the wealthy caste that actually controls the Republican Party.

And Plane in this bozos mind the Democrats are not controlled by an "oligarchy"
and it's just a total coincidence that Obama's administration is loaded with Wall Street,
banking, and Goldman Sachs type tycoons that were appointed after he was elected
"by the people"....LOL

[Xavier_Onassis]

The Democrats are partly influenced by Wall Street types, but not to the extent that they have veto power over the party's candidates and platform. The Republicans are 90% controlled by an aristocracy of the wealthy, the Democrats less so, around 30%.
That is why the health care bill took so long and was so furgled with by guys like Senator Ben Nelson of Nebraska.

They should have simply extended Medicare to the entire population, and would have done so if not for the machinations of insurance company money and various lobbies in Congress.

[Plane]

They should have simply extended Medicare to the entire population, and would have done so if not for the machinations of insurance company money and various lobbies in Congress.

    Did this happen while Democrats were a solid majority in Congress?

[Xavier_Onassis]

Of course it did. Everyone knows this.

[BT]

Wendell Wilkie never won an elective office prior to winning the nomination to run against FDR in 1940 and my guess is the "oligarchy" had a stronger hold on politics then than they may now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Willkie

[Xavier_Onassis]

Wendall Willkie is not actually a very good comparison, because, well, he lost. When you do something that doesn't work, it tends to have the effect of not trying it again.

Think of Wendall Willkie as the Hindenberg and the lesson learned was to stop filling dirigibles with Hydrogen.

[sirs]

Wendall Willkie is not actually a very good comparison, because, well, he lost. When you do something that doesn't work, it tends to have the effect of not trying it again.

LOL...hasn't stopped Obama and the Dems

[BT]

Wendall Willkie is not actually a very good comparison, because, well, he lost. When you do something that doesn't work, it tends to have the effect of not trying it again.

Think of Wendall Willkie as the Hindenberg and the lesson learned was to stop filling dirigibles with Hydrogen.

Your claim was that the oligarchy would not allow anyone who had not won elective office be the parties nominee and you were shown to be wrong. He also ran in 44 but lost in the primaries.

[Xavier_Onassis]

I really do not think that Wilkie is a valid comparison, because the Oligarchy running the GOP are not the same as those that were running it in 1940. After 71 years, no political movement is going to be the same. If there were still liberal Republicans like Wilkie, they might have a chance of winning the presidency. Huntsman is the absolute best candidate the GOP could nominate, but it looks like he is not going to make it.

Wilkie worked with FDR during the war and apparently Dewey was more liked by the GOP then.

Cain does not occupy the same place in the GOP now that Wilkie did in 1939.

I do not see Cain getting the nomination. If he were to do so, I doubt that he would be elected.

Time will tell.

[sirs]

Quite an impressive level of backpedaling.  We went from:
- NO WAY, in Hell Cain would ever get consideration
to
- NO WAY in hell he'd get the nomination
to
- Don't see him getting the nomination
to
- If he were nomintated, doubt he'd be elected

[Xavier_Onassis]

It is all the same thing.

Cain will fail. I see no way he will ever be president.

I am not backpedaling in any way. The voters will decide, anyway. Watch and see Cain go down in smoke and flames smelling of burned mozzarella and scorched anchovies.