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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on November 09, 2011, 12:24:37 PM
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Not so much a conclusion, but I'd love to see how the left, and messers Tee & Xo pull a rationalization hat out of this very plausible series of events:
Cain has made it clear, he'd be willing to take a lie detector test, on this matter
So, if in the continued absence of even a hotel receipt, or date these events supposedly occured, with our latest accuser, if she also defers from taking a polygraph, while he passes one, does that not torpedo her accusation, and in essence this whole accusatory harrasment circus, while catapaulting his campaign to the next level??
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I am all for Cain taking a polygraph test. It would also be amusing.
I oppose Cain because he is a crackpot and a blowhard. Him not being a sex offender would make him only slightly less unacceptable. But he can be amusing, more so than any mime I can think of, more amusing even than Ronald McDonald.
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So...Xo's spin would be well....he'd then be just a "little" less bad, but that he's still a horrible candidate.
Not surprising no criticism of the witchhunt or the "accusers", under the above hypothetical
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I think Cain offering to take a lie detector test was a stupid move and i'd be surprised if lin wood ok'd that beforehand.
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It was a rather stupid offer, I agree, because (a) polygraph tests are not valid in a court of law anyway,and (b) it makes Cain look more like an accused criminal. On the plus side, it would be amusing to see him do this, rather like watching celebrities try to tango, or the moment on Jerry Springer when we learn that is was NOT his baby after all.
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As Xo had clearly already referenced, this isn't a court case, so inadmissibility is a moot point. And I disagree, about the idea, especially if he were to pass one, while the accuser declines one. He'd look far more the innocent man trying to be railroaded
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And if he fails the test, even though he was speaking the truth? There are reasons why the test is inadmissible.
Tactically it was a stupid move, and as i said, i doubt his attorney approved of the offer beforehand. Remember it was in response to a reporters question.
That is my opinion. Yours may be that it would be worth the risk.
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And if he fails the test, even though he was speaking the truth? There are reasons why the test is inadmissible.
If he fails, he's done politically. But at least he attempted to demonstrate how the accusations were false, rather than ride this he said she said MSM circus, and sap all the energy out of his campaign
Tactically, its a GREAT move, IF he passes. Made even more so, if his accuser declines to take one.......IMHO
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Cain has the resources to hire several polygraph operators and take the tests in private over and over again until he gets it right. In fact, if he offered to take the polygraph test at all, it means (given that he's a lying pervert as amply illustrated by all the facts known to date) the only reason he'd make such an offer is that he's confident he could beat the test.
But here's a better idea - - why not trial by water, they throw Cain and his accusers into a pond in Massachusetts and whoever is not "rejected" by the water and sinks to the bottom is telling the truth?
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Even a better idea, polygraph by the same interveiwer
And if Cain passes, and his accuser declines....what then?? Your house of accusatory cards comes tumbling down. so sad
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IMHO, Cain would never take a polygraph test for public consumption unless he had already learned how to beat the machine in private sessions. The machine can be beaten and a guy like Cain definitely has the resources to ensure an easy win. Hence, the "challenge" that the lying fuck has issued. It's a fix. D'uh.
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If he fails, he's done politically.
Right, but why hire an expert like Wood if he isn't going to let him do his job?
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This is Cain trying to save his job. But I'm entertained at watching Tee trying to esplain his way out of this hypothetical ;D
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I'm sure Tee wants Cain to fail, mainly because he dared to go against stereotype, but i don't think Cain needs to hep Tee get his way.
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What's his way? More unsubstantiated claims of a "fix"? Not if the same interveiwer performs it for both Cain and the accuser...especially if the accuser declines.
Big gamble, with big political payoff if Cain takes it & passes, and his accuser declines, despite all the hyperbolic claims of a fix, from those already foaming at the mouth to a potential Cain nomination
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Cains whole appeal is he is running as an outsider who knows how to solve problems. How's he doing with this one?
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Keep in mind that passing the polygraph test EVEN IF IT WERE 100% ACCURATE does not mean Cain is competent to lead the nation.
But sure, have Cain and all his accusers take a polygraph test. On prime time TV.It could replace "Dancing with the Stars", which I sat through when my sister and I were in Hawaii recently. That has to be the dumbest show on TV since "My Mother the Car".
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Cains whole appeal is he is running as an outsider who knows how to solve problems. How's he doing with this one?
Time will tell. I think my hypothetical is a great problem solver
Keep in mind that passing the polygraph test EVEN IF IT WERE 100% ACCURATE does not mean Cain is competent to lead the nation.
Yea, we got that the 1st time you said it....in your fringe leftist opinion, it makes this black conservative republican, just a "little less" horrible
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Cain is at best like Quark, the DS9 Barkeep Ferenghi, as compared with other, more menacing Ferenghi as they appeared on ST:THG. You would not trust any of them, but Quark was more fun when you got to know him a little.
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Naaa, far more like Chakotay, STV. Embattled fighter, often misunderstood, but passionate about his cause
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He is a businessman. The only thing he could be is a Ferenghi.
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in the bizarro world of Xo, perhaps :o
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The only businessmen on Star Trek are Ferenghi.
Maybe the Breen are businessmen as well, but "little is known of the Breen". They are said to be really chilly dudes.
The Dominion shapeshifters have an evolutionary heritage that prevents them from being businessmen: they have no pockets. When one turns into a liquid and dozes away in his bucket at night, his wallet just sinks to the bottom or floats on the top. Then when he rematerializes, who knows where it will be?
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The only businessmen on Star Trek are Ferenghi.
Close....there are businessmen tru-out the trek world, in all races. Ferenghi are merely 100% pure greedy type of businessmen. Try to keep up, since no one is debating what the Ferengi are. That's referred to as Science FICTION
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Of course it is science fiction. On Star Trek the businessmen were pretty sparse. There was the guy peddling tribbles and the Ferenghi, and that was pretty much it.
There logically should have been others, but they rarely made it into the script, perhaps because they were boring. There were no ugly women, either, unless they were of some bizarre species where everyone was grotesquely ugly.
All in all, it was an entertaining series, and I have seen most ST:THG and DS9 episodes two or three times. Voyager was pretty good at first, but they got into the sector of the Dreadlock People and became boring after Kes died.
I was using the show as a metaphor. I realize that it was FICTION (Duh!)
I even realize that a lot of the science was bogus, like every being in the galaxy speaking in such a way that they all spoke in Midwestern US English. I think that Worf should have had a Russian accent, like his parents: why not use the Universal translator with Sulu and Warf and even Picard?
Learning a language takes a LOT of time. Once you have a device that translates effortlessly, why bother to teach other languages?
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Of course it is science fiction. On Star Trek the businessmen were pretty sparse.
yea, they are sparse, but they are not restricted to just Ferenghi. Nor is this tangent in any way spearheading any debate. If you wish to continue this trek talk, perhaps move it into another category.
and FYI, the metaphor was weak, which is why it was struck down, so fast, and has mutated into a boring tangent of what makes a good Sci Fi series or not
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It was struck down only in the rather dubious arena of your mind.
I see Cain as a Ferenghi. Do you think he should be excluded from Raisa?
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Cain is not only a businessman , when he worked for the Navy he was a civil servant , job description <mathmatician>.
Mabe a little like Data.