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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2015, 05:34:25 PM »
Good god, of course he wasn't being literal.....he was being rhetorical    :o
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #31 on: April 03, 2015, 06:03:22 PM »
Of course he was. You were the one who claimed that politicians wore diapers.
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #32 on: April 03, 2015, 06:29:23 PM »
Professor literal strikes again....arguing a point I never made....in that I too was speaking rhetorically.  What idiot would actually think that I believed politicians wore diapers?  Oh wait, I believe we have a winner     ::)
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2015, 10:42:33 PM »
You should read the nonsense you write.

You said, and I quote:

"  I'm merely repeating what Twain clearly was referencing, the need for ALL politicians' diapers to be changed."

If the politicians diapers need to be changed, that means they were wearing diapers.

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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2015, 10:58:54 PM »
And as you just helped demonstrate, what idiot would actually think I was referring to literal diapers??  Thank you for answering that question     ::)
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2015, 10:09:56 AM »
So in your mind, the politicians were wearing rhetorical diapers?

Twain did not say anything about politicians changing diapers.

You have comprehension problems or composition problems.
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2015, 10:27:23 AM »
I realize the effort to dig yourself out of the idiot hole you made.  By all means, keep trying, as it got pretty deep, in this thread
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2015, 04:03:20 PM »
You cannot even comprehend your own posts.

That is pathetic.
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2015, 04:14:28 PM »
Ahhh, more of that phenominal super power of being able to divine what other people meant to say, despite what they clearly have said/inferred     ::)

Naaa....pathetic is thinking anyone, not just me, would literally believe that politicians wear diapers that need changed.  Actually, more idiotic than pathetic...but hey, its your hole, dig however you want
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2015, 06:52:59 PM »
...Just give it a rest.  You're not contributing anything to this thread, outside of throwing immature insults.  Focus on the topic, or pick another topic
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2015, 06:57:50 PM »
...and no, that doesn't equate to telling you what you can and can't do, can or can't say.  You're still free to do whatever you damn well want to do.  I'm just trying to throw you a suggestive, if not recommended, lifeline.  I'll try to follow it myself, since I appear to be responding to your insults with my own derrogatories
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2015, 09:01:28 PM »
  I don't see this quote by Twain as being partisan.

If he wanted this to be construed as being more against one party , he knew plenty of words that would have accomplished this clearly. 

  As  a young newspaperman, Samuel Clemens had to observe a country on greased rails headed twards catastrophe, as an elder author and famous observer of the human condition he saw a country going to war for small cause and repeated bouts of corruption and reform.

Some of this time there was a dominant Democratic Party, some of the time there was a dominant Republican party.

So if he observes the virtue of change , perhaps it is because he is observing that a party being in power too long collects a lot of what a diaper left alone too long collects.

Suppose that the Democratic party were perfected , and as a result of this perfection took complete power with the full mandate of the people.
   Where would the politically ambitious   scoundrels go in the coming years?

   Since scoundrels want power more than idealism, the party in power will attract them.

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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2015, 01:18:34 PM »
 As  a young newspaperman, Samuel Clemens had to observe a country on greased rails headed twards catastrophe, as an elder author and famous observer of the human condition he saw a country going to war for small cause and repeated bouts of corruption and reform.

Some of this time there was a dominant Democratic Party, some of the time there was a dominant Republican party.

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Correction: there was NEVER a dominant Republican Party before Lincoln. There was an occasionally dominant Whig Party There were four Whig presidents: William Henry Harrison, who died in office and John Tyler became president Tyler was expelled from the Party for his strong States Rights pro slavery views,  Zachary Taylor was elected president and also died in office, leaving the Presidency to Millard Fillmore, the last Whig President.  Lincoln, a railroad company lawyer, was a Whig, and dropped out of politics when the Whigs disbanded.  Whigs were pro-industrial and urban and anti-immigrant and anti Catholic.  The name Whig was used during the Revolution by the Patriots.  In 1856, the Republican Party emerged from the  remains of the northern Whig Party and nominated John C Frémont the explorer and son in law of Missouri Senator Thomas Hart Benton.  The most Whiggish of the Whigs, Henry Clay, never managed to get elected, though he did get the nomination.

In Quincy, Illinois, the local Newspaper is called the "Quincy Herald-Whig", formerly the "Whig Independent".
Mark Twain considered running as an independent for Governor of NY, but dropped out due to the slanderous nature of campaigning.


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Even when it comes to the game of politics, Twain doesn’t pull any punches. In his satirical account of being nominated for the position of Governor of New York and having to endure the smear campaign that seems to decide politics more than the actual views of the candidates, he ends with:
"By this time there had grown to be such a clamor for an "answer" to all the dreadful charges that were laid to me that the editors and leaders of my party said it would be political ruin for me to remain silent any longer. As if to make their appeal the more imperative, the following appeared in one of the papers the very next day:

    BEHOLD THE MAN! — The Independent candidate still maintains Silence. Because he dare not speak. Every accusation against him has been amply proved, and they have been endorsed and re-endorsed by his own eloquent silence till at this day he stands forever convicted. Look upon your candidate, Independents! Look upon the Infamous Perjurer! the Montana Thief! the Body-Snatcher! Contemplate your incarnate Delirium Tremens! your Filthy Corruptionist! your Loath some Embracer! Gaze upon him — ponder him well — and then say if you can give your honest votes to a creature who has earned this dismal array of titles by his hideous crimes, and dares not open his mouth in denial of any one of them!

There was no possible way of getting out of it, and so, in deep humiliation, I set about preparing to "answer" a mass of baseless charges and mean and wicked falsehoods. But I never finished the task, for the very next morning a paper came out with a new horror, a fresh malignity, and seriously charged me with burning a lunatic asylum with all its inmates because it obstructed the view from my house. This threw me into a sort of panic. Then came the charge of poisoning my uncle to get his property, with an imperative demand that the grave should be opened. This drove me to the verge of distraction. On top of this I was accused of employing toothless and incompetent old relatives to prepare the food for the foundling hospital when I was warden. I was wavering — wavering. And at last, as a due and fitting climax to the shameless persecution that party rancor had inflicted upon me, nine little toddling children of all shades of color and degrees of raggedness were taught to rush on to the platform at a public meeting and clasp me around the legs and call me PA!

I gave up. I hauled down my colors and surrendered. I was not equal to the requirements of a Gubernatorial campaign in the State of New York, and so I sent in my withdrawal from the candidacy, and in bitterness of spirit signed it,

"Truly yours,

"Once a decent man, but now
"MARK TWAIN, I. P., M. T., B. S., D. T., F. C., and L. E


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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2015, 01:40:11 PM »
...In other words, the words that started this thread were directed at ALL politicians, DEMOCRATS included.  Just because you pick one Democrat president, during Twain's tenure, doesn't then equate that he mainly was referring to all other parties, while giving Democrats a pass.  There was no riddle buried in his quote, that only self appointed enlightened can see.  There simply is what he said
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Re: Mark Twain
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2015, 01:47:42 PM »
Blah, blah, blah.

In New York in Twain's time, the Democratic Party was dominated by Boss Tweed and Tammany Hall in New York City. Twain visited NYC, but lived in Elmira, the home town of his wife.

Upstate New York was dominated by a Republican machine.

Hence, he chose to run as an Independent.

If you know of any place where he badmouths the Democratic Party in general, you could post it.
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