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« Reply #45 on: April 27, 2010, 12:34:23 AM »
the British came in first, their surveyors laid out all the roads on paper and created all the lots BEFORE the settlers were allowed in to settle on them.  



 

"BEFORE the settlers were allowed in "


Are you kidding?

The government encouraged Pioneering , the government tried to manage claims , but there was hardly any throttle on the process.

Especially in the earlyer periods , management was spotty and enforcement was undependable. Untill 1850 the word was that there was no law west of the Pecos.

The Settlers of Texas were exceptional , they were advertised for and invited by the Mexican government "allowed in" as you say , but a few years later the Mexican Government attempted to impose good government on the Texicans who refused to be disarmed , final result , Davy Crocket is dead, Santa Anna has killed his brother in law, and the Republic of Texas is formed.

The terrible rigidity of government we presently enjoy has developed gradually , origionally our government was small , nimble and cost less than 2% of GDP. If we could get that back perhaps we could grow as rapidly as we did in those days , kinda like China is .

Alas we are useing the government for many more things than just governing now and it is much more a burden. It seems like a ratchet , it never shrinks , even when we elect a president with a mandate to reduce or even when another one proclaims "the era of big government is over"

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« Reply #46 on: April 27, 2010, 12:38:04 AM »
Well, of course the British had more casualties. They started out with more than three times as many troops.

Hahahahahaha!

They also started out with a reputation as one of the worlds most competant Navys and Armys.

Do you suppose the Treaty of Gent would have been honored if the city of New Orliens had fallen?

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« Reply #47 on: April 27, 2010, 01:58:28 AM »
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Places/America/United_States/Louisiana/New_Orleans/_Texts/KENHNO/6*.html


Fairly detailed account of the circumstances of the Battle of New Orliens.

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« Reply #48 on: April 27, 2010, 02:44:40 PM »
<<At the end of the day, the British had 2,042 casualties: 291 killed (including Generals Pakenham and Gibbs), 1,267 wounded (including General Keane) and 484 captured or missing.[2] The Americans had 71 casualties: 13 dead; 39 wounded and 19 missing.>>

Nobody told us about the lopsided body count or about the two dead Generals.  And yes, the schools were kind of British - - we sang "God Save the King" every morning (and then "God Save the Queen" after the death of King George VI) and I can still picture the large portrait of the King and Queen of England on the wall just outside the Principal's office in Junior High.

Your link to the Battle of New Orleans BTW was "Link Not Found." 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_New_Orleans may be the the same one.  It worked.  Looks like the British really fucked up.  The Americans didn't win this one, the British lost it.  Just one inexcusable mistake after another.

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« Reply #50 on: April 27, 2010, 05:53:08 PM »
Thanks, that's a great page.  I saved it for later reading.

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« Reply #51 on: April 28, 2010, 09:47:24 AM »
Wow thanks Ami.


It is not uncommon for errors to be determine the outcome of battles.

But Americans can make errors as easily as anyone elese. The worst error I noticed was not blocking all of the ship and boat approaches to the fringes of the city.

The forces availible to the American side were not unified , not co-ordinated , not led , not loyal , not motivated and were wasteing a lot of time untill Jackson showed up. Jackson really was a remarkably competant leader.