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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: BSB on February 14, 2013, 02:28:13 AM
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Jesus, if you're going to buy an assault rifle, get a mans gun. Don't get a pussy MAC90 or some other pretend military, chink made, Taliban, al Qaeda, 3rd world, commie, horseshit.
M1A
http://www.webxcope.com/rfx/ss1886125.htm (http://www.webxcope.com/rfx/ss1886125.htm)
M1 Garand Tanker- A great weapon. You can't go wrong with one of these in either 30'06 or a custom in .308. Personally I like these in 30'06.
http://www.webxcope.com/cc/astir602,1,/www.google.com/url?q=http://www.armslist.com/posts/154130&sa=U&ei=7H0cUcGGLYXOyAGdiIH4Dg&ved=0CBgQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFY-BOIj5MtPAWG6p_GFpz2VnP7hg (http://www.webxcope.com/cc/astir602,1,/www.google.com/url?q=http://www.armslist.com/posts/154130&sa=U&ei=7H0cUcGGLYXOyAGdiIH4Dg&ved=0CBgQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNFY-BOIj5MtPAWG6p_GFpz2VnP7hg)
And for those who know what they're doing, or want to learn: FAL SA58
http://www.webxcope.com/cc/astir602,1,/www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-Standard-Rifle-308-Cal----SA58S21/productinfo/SA5821S%2DA/ (http://www.webxcope.com/cc/astir602,1,/www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-Standard-Rifle-308-Cal----SA58S21/productinfo/SA5821S%2DA/)
These are REAL battle rifles. And I push them because one, they're the best, and two, you won't find these being used by some tragic mental case in a mass shooting. They're A, too much gun, and B those who own them are too responsible to let them get into the hands of a head case.
Be responsible with and about firearms. Don't buy the stuff these retards use. Pass laws stopping their sale to the public at large. There will be plenty of weapons left to feed your second amendment fever. And better weapons at that.
BSB
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If one is going to buy an "assault rifle", as defined by the military, they best 1st join the military, or be accepted into a SWAT program. The rest of us are banned from owning any military assault weapons, without a special ATF license
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Sirs, these people can help you out:
http://www.webxcope.com/cc/atune607,1,/www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=C8g00jdYcUc2kIqLUyQHlk4DYDJrFiLkDwsPV7h6LrrbMAwgAEAFQkbrJ7vr_____AWDJ1tmN_KT4FMgBAaoEHE_QQAuBtL9nA2L3oMxwrXIyiEI_D2zseI9vaa2AB4KVgR0&sig=AOD64_1gXNLFVg3mmcT5d5sFTDjz2w_fJA&ved=0CBYQ0Qw&adurl=http://www.mclean.harvard.edu (http://www.webxcope.com/cc/atune607,1,/www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=C8g00jdYcUc2kIqLUyQHlk4DYDJrFiLkDwsPV7h6LrrbMAwgAEAFQkbrJ7vr_____AWDJ1tmN_KT4FMgBAaoEHE_QQAuBtL9nA2L3oMxwrXIyiEI_D2zseI9vaa2AB4KVgR0&sig=AOD64_1gXNLFVg3mmcT5d5sFTDjz2w_fJA&ved=0CBYQ0Qw&adurl=http://www.mclean.harvard.edu)
BSB
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Sirs, these people can help you out:
http://www.webxcope.com/cc/atune607,1,/www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=C8g00jdYcUc2kIqLUyQHlk4DYDJrFiLkDwsPV7h6LrrbMAwgAEAFQkbrJ7vr_____AWDJ1tmN_KT4FMgBAaoEHE_QQAuBtL9nA2L3oMxwrXIyiEI_D2zseI9vaa2AB4KVgR0&sig=AOD64_1gXNLFVg3mmcT5d5sFTDjz2w_fJA&ved=0CBYQ0Qw&adurl=http://www.mclean.harvard.edu (http://www.webxcope.com/cc/atune607,1,/www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=C8g00jdYcUc2kIqLUyQHlk4DYDJrFiLkDwsPV7h6LrrbMAwgAEAFQkbrJ7vr_____AWDJ1tmN_KT4FMgBAaoEHE_QQAuBtL9nA2L3oMxwrXIyiEI_D2zseI9vaa2AB4KVgR0&sig=AOD64_1gXNLFVg3mmcT5d5sFTDjz2w_fJA&ved=0CBYQ0Qw&adurl=http://www.mclean.harvard.edu)
My computer won't go there.
Is there an alternate link?
BSB
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Unless I join the military or law enforcement, then no, they're not going to be able to help me out.....legally
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So M1 is still being made?
I have heard much good about the M1 but I have never fired one, I have fired the M-14, how are they comprable?
Have you got an opinion about the older M-1s availible through the CMP program?
Does the M-1 carbine have the same disadvantages you are pointing to in some of these other guns?
http://www.thecmp.org/sales/m1garand.htm (http://www.thecmp.org/sales/m1garand.htm)
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http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-Standard-Rifle-308-Cal----SA58S21/productinfo/SA5821S-A/ (http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-Standard-Rifle-308-Cal----SA58S21/productinfo/SA5821S-A/)
Ah...
That works better.
Unit Price: $1,700.00
(http://www.dsarms.com/images/SA58S21.jpg)
Well........
That looks like a very usefull wepon, I don't have much familiarity with it .
I could get an old Enfield in that caliber and I can afford that. The price of the FAL is a real barrier to me.
I have had friends who had success hunting with the 308 caliber, is it the caliber that you like about it? Or some of its more advanced features?
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Nice...if it has an automatic mode, then its indeed a military assault rifle, and folks like us are banned from owning them unless we've been in the military and/or have a class-3 Firearms license. If it doesn't, then it's merely a semi-automatic rifle that looks mean & military, analogous to the Bushmaster
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....if it has an automatic mode, then its indeed a military assault rifle, and folks like us are banned from owning them unless we've been in the military and/or have a class-3 Firearms license....... .
If you can afford the top of the line , you can probly afford to get a class-3 lisense .
I can't afford to consider buying an automatic fire wepon.
I don't think this is a severe problem, semi-auto or even bolt action is as fast as I can aim.
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Me too, though it's not just the cost but that massive amount of intrusive bureaucracy in trying to acquire a class 3, without having been in the military. And the convenience of magazine fed and semi-auto is definately a plus for those small statured folks, if they chose to defend themselves or their loved ones with one
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Does a military training cause someone to have better rights in this ?
I never heard that before.
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Being military or ex-military allows you to obtain a class-3, with fall less all the bureaucratic bells & whistles
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I will have to look into that, but I got a lot more training in firefighting than in firefight.
Lots of vets are like me and only got rudimentary small arms training, so the real advantage must be small.
Even if I qualify , it might not be apealing to me because of the cost.
The closest I am willing to get to an assault wepon is probly an M-1 , which is sometimes availible for $600 -$800 , I have debts that will have to be served first , but once I get past the savings barrier I might want something heavy duty and multipurpose like that.
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Sounds like a good choice for you
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I thought that the reason to have an automatic weapon is that you did not have to bother with aiming.
I hardly think that using a machine gun on targets could be more fun than just squeezing off one round at a time.
There are certainly more satisfying sports than shooting.Less expensive, too.
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None of these firearms are select fire. They are all available to the public at large in semi-auto. You can get an FAL, for example, in select fire if you have a classIII, but that's not what I'm talking about here.
The NRA, and many gun enthusiasts, are talking about having firearms for self protection. AR15 type weapons. Those are dangerous and should be banned. The firearms I posted are better for self protection, if you fell the need for that, and are not weapons of choice for these mass murders.
BSB
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None of these firearms are select fire. They are all available to the public at large in semi-auto. You can get an FAL, for example, in select fire if you have a classIII, but that's not what I'm talking about here.
The NRA, and many gun enthusiasts, are talking about having firearms for self protection. AR15 type weapons.
Which is perfectly acceptable, if that's what they chose...ease of loading, ease of aiming, decreased recoil, and EXCELLENT weapon for self protection in the home, IF THAT'S WHAT THE INDIVIDUAL WANTS TO USE
As long as they're not fully automatic, then 1 pull, 1 bullet, just like any other semi-auto, and no more dangerous than any other magazine fed semi-auto. You chose what you think works best, and let others chose what they want, since the next killing that happens to use a FAL, then the emotional cries will come out how dangerous THAT weapon is, and of course, needs to banned
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It is highly unlikely that we'll see one of these mental cases use an FAL, an M1 Tanker, or an M1A, in a mass killing. You have to be a thinker to buy, use, and care for anyone of those weapons. You have to be skilled to make them work for you. Those aren't things these kinds of mental cases bring to the table or want to have to bring to the table. The AR15 doesn't demand those requirements. That's one of the reasons it's so dangerous.
One of the main differences between us and our closest relatives, the Chimpanzees, is the level of cooperation between members of the species. Ours is quite high, theirs, in comparison, is quite low. Banning the AR15 is about cooperation between members of this highly evolved society we have. This society is based on abstract thought and then brought to fruition via cooperation.
You, like the mass murderers, fail the cooperation test Sirs. You are a Chimp.
BSB
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15-year-old son of deputy shoots burglary suspect
The teenage son of a Harris County Precinct 1 deputy shot a home intruder Tuesday afternoon in the 2600 block of Royal Place in northwest Harris County, deputies said.
The 15-year-old boy and his 12-year-old sister had been home alone in the Mount Royal Village subdivision when around 2:30 p.m. a pair of burglars tried the front and back doors, then broke a back window.
The teenager grabbed his father's AR-15 and knew what to do with it.
“We don't try to hide things from our children in law enforcement,” Lt. Jeffrey Stauber said. “That young boy was protecting his sister. He was in fear for his life and her life.”
The home invaders fled, leaving a trail of blood.
Shortly afterwards, two suspects showed up at Tomball hospital. One was an adult and was hit at least three times. Lifeflight flew him to Memorial Hermann hospital in the Medical Center. The second suspect, a juvenile, was taken back to the crime scene, authorities said.
Neighbors said burglars had recently struck the two houses next door, including the deputy's home.
“They stole everything -- what they have inside. They already did it one time,” Rafael Cortez said.
This family should be very thankful folks like you aren't in a position to have made them have to attend their childrens' funerals (http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Burglary-suspect-shot-by-15-year-old-son-of-deputy-97430719.html=http://www.khou.com/news/crime/Burglary-suspect-shot-by-15-year-old-son-of-deputy-97430719.html)
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What is that response suppose to mean? They could have only used an AR15?
Good lord. When you have nothing Sirs, post nothing. You just look more and more Chimp like.
BSB
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No, the response is they had one, and used one, perfectly well, safely, and defended themselves from possible death. So it's not this bloody instrument that can only kill school children. It can be used to save lives. That's what its supposed to mean. But I appreciate the name calling...I can always tell when your barrels are empty, when all you've got is insults as your go-to response
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They didn't need an AR 15. That's the point. They could have used a Ruger 10/22. For all you know they could have yelled at the thieves and gotten the same result.
You just can't reason, sirs. You just can't work with others. That probably is why you feel the need to carry when you have no need to carry. That's why you're more like a Chimp than a Human.
Scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest.
Humans Ability to Cooperate: 10
Sirs Ability to Cooperate: 3.5
Chimpanzees Ability to Cooperate: 3
BSB
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Per YOUR say so. Obviously the father of this family disagreed, and the children are still alive, thanks to his AR 15. Best you you keep your self perceived know-it-all nonsense to yourself. But again, I appreciate the example of both barrels empty. Gives me a sense of validating satisfaction, when all you've got are the insult. The more immature the name calling, the more the validation. Thanks 8)
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It is debatable that anyone would have been killed, as burglars have as their main goal robbery, not murder.
sirs belief that his being criticized for stupid remarks validate his stupid remarks is in error.
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Of course the little (fatal) flaw to that claim is in how to explain how my comments were "stupid", outside of the SOP namecalling you and B prescribe to. Good luck with that
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Good luck to you at making sense to anyone but yourself.
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LOL...didn't think you could, "Professor"
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Obviously the father made his comment to protect his son. It was a very defensive comment. And hell, the thieves went to both the front and back doors before going to the window. That means the 15 year old boy had time to get his sister and leave the premises. I highly doubt the gun was needed at all.
Clearly these AR15s need to be taken off the market. Any moron can see that. Everytime you turn around someone is shooting someone with one of them.
Lizard Level of Cooperation: 2.8
Sirs Level of Cooperation: 1.9
BSB
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Wow, bsb the internet indoctrinated psychoanalyst, able to gleam exactly what the father really wanted to say, but couldn't, and knew exactly the layout as to the home as to know exactly what the children could have done. Damn, hate when facts get in the way of such a good irrational know-better mindset. FACT is the boy was taught how to use the AR 15 for defenseve purposes, and did precisely that, defended he & his sister from what could have been a horrible outcome.
Whether the gun was "needed" per the say of hard core anti 2nd amendment blokes, is irrelevent. It was used, as was its purpose & intention. And the family is alive and safe as a result. Just more FACTS and stats to add to the ones that demonstrate that more lives are saved with a firearm, than those taken by one. At least in this country
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As for the asinine charge that I'm anti-2nd amendment?
I remind the poster who calls himself sirs that he is posting in a thread I started in which I recommend, as an alternative to the AR15, several of the hardest hitting battle rifles ever produced. Not exactly something an anti-2nd amendmentist would do. Further I remind the poster who calls himself sirs that the Supreme Court during its finding in the Washington DC gun case stated that the second amendment does not preclude the banning of a specific weapon, nor should it.
As for the shooting incident brought to the fore by the poster "sirs" and specifically to the posters reply to my comments on A) the layout of the house and B) the comments by the father of the shooter?
To A: Unless the front and back doors and the window in question of this house are all one in the same the 15 year old shooter had plenty of time to seek safety in a way that didn't involve a shooting.
To B: The father of the shooter, being a police officer, knew very well the importance of getting out in front of this story. Further, his remarks, so perfectly worded to protect his son, may very well have been issued after consulting with a lawyer.
BSB
Horseshit's Ability to Cooperate: 0.02
Sirs Ability to Cooperate: - 0.9
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In spite of the impression one might get from this website.
Half of our citizens are not men.
If the purchaser were a slightly built woman, would you still reccomend an M-1?
An M1 weighs nearly ten pounds and generates a recoil that a small person might find daunting.
A lighter gun in a smaller caliber might be easier to aim, especailly for a second shot.
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Yes, for someone like you Plane a BB gun is probably best.
BSB
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Yes, for someone like you Plane a BB gun is probably best.
BSB
This is an answer?
Perhaps you think you are being clear.
Perhaps indeed I have missed something I should have understood , this has happened to me before, I could be being obtuse all the while I think I am being sharp.
But I am not understanding your point here and right now I don't think it is me.
People who cannot afford a FN FAL , or people who cannot stand a 30.06 recoil, or people who are not mechanicly inclined enough to maintain a wepon with a lot of parts, should not have the citizens priveledge of being effectively armed?
My choice is unlike your choice , my circumstances do not match your circumstances.
I can respect your choice which may fit you and your circumstances better than my favoriates would.
If a person were to choose a .223 caliber on an Armalite style rifle , They apparently would agree with neither of us , but why not respect the decision? It might be a good fit to someone who is not you or me.
Century Arms .308 L1A1 FN FAL Battle Rifle Junk?? You Decide! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ssukzDmxHI#)
http://archives.gunsandammo.com/content/armalite (http://archives.gunsandammo.com/content/armalite)
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Look plane, there are plenty of .22s, .32s, etc., out there. There are all kinds of set ups also. You can drive yourself nuts with options. Have at it. What I recommended is what I like, what I have experience with, and what the best use. If a smaller women, or smaller man for that matter, were to ask me what to buy I'd have to know exactly what they were going to use the firearm for. If it was for selfdefense I'd need to know what the environment is like. How they would would most likely use it, etc., etc. Something like a .22 mag can be a very deadly caliber when used properly.
BSB
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A thought. A .357 lever action. A Marlin for example.
BSB
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Look plane, there are plenty of .22s, .32s, etc., out there. There are all kinds of set ups also. You can drive yourself nuts with options. Have at it. What I recommended is what I like, what I have experience with, and what the best use. If a smaller women, or smaller man for that matter, were to ask me what to buy I'd have to know exactly what they were going to use the firearm for. If it was for selfdefense I'd need to know what the environment is like. How they would would most likely use it, etc., etc. Something like a .22 mag can be a very deadly caliber when used properly.
BSB
I totally agree, there are a lot of diffrent models with a lot of diffrent capabilitys.
The M-4 I see every day hangs down the back of the guards at the gate at work.
Quite a lot of these guards are young small women.
This doesn't make me want an M-4, but I also behave myself so that I don't get shot up by a young small woman, who enlisted and got ten times the training I ever got in small arms.
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BTW, I knew a Special Forces guy who carried a Marlin lever action in 45-70 in Vietnam and Laos. He liked it against NVA who were shooting from bunkers.
BSB
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A thought. A .357 lever action. A Marlin for example.
BSB
I am familiar with that.
I get the most use from a marlin lever 30-30 and I have had my eye on a 45-70.
The undergrowth in Georgia is dense and I am not comfortable with long shots.
So I think your thought is near the mark .
I have a friend that dotes on the M-1 and he almost persueded me to go with him to Anniston to get a CMP rifle.
My father owned a sportsterised Mauser war trophy, I have tried a 1940 Monson-Nagant and a Swiss K31.
I return to the 30-30 carbine , though battered and poorly painted , it is the most familiar.
I realise that your Army training puts your small arms knoledge on a high level, but I think that if you condesend and I try really hard , I might get your point eventually.
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BTW, I knew a Special Forces guy who carried a Marlin lever action in 45-70 in Vietnam and Laos. He liked it against NVA who were shooting from bunkers.
BSB
He must have liked it quite a bit , wasn't he having any trouble coping with availibility of ammunition?
I have seen the 45-70 effect on deer , the advantage is a fast kill, the disadvantage is often a wasted roast.
Hunting has diffrent imperitives than combat, on a hunt , not to shoot is always a choice, once I allowed a heard to pass around my hide , joyfull to see them .
They didn't spook till they were past me and downwind, that was a thrilling experience ,it was worth passing on a good shot.
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"I realize that your Army training puts your small arms knowledge on a high level, but I think that if you condescend and I try really hard , I might get your point eventually."
Please, who is being condescending now?
You know Plane, if I were you than I might not wonder too far from a 30 30. I'm a 30 caliber man myself. 30 30, 308, 30 06, and so on.
My email xxxxxxx. Email me. I won't leave this address up for long.
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"I realize that your Army training puts your small arms knowledge on a high level, but I think that if you condescend and I try really hard , I might get your point eventually."
Please, who is being condensing now?
You know Plane, if I were you than I might not wonder too far from a 30 30. I'm a 30 caliber man myself. 30 30, 308, 30 06, and so on.
My email [ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ][ ] Email me. I won't leave this address up for long.
Hmmmmm...
No point in remaining condesending very long, I am not really ignorant on this subject , but you could easily be more expert than I.
This is exactly as it should be , your experience is all the more valuable to me when it diffrent than mine.
I warrant that you and I can disagree quite a lot , but come out friends .
Thank you for the e-address , I have written it down, but I don't know why.
Why?
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Plane, take my address down
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As for the asinine charge that I'm anti-2nd amendment?
Someone who has made a public record of claiming who should and who shouldn't be allowed to carry a firearm, outside of some self perceived knowledge that they know better, supplimented by the call to ban various firearms because they look mean, instead of having the cajones to actually put some substance behind the rhetoric, is as I can see anti-2nd amendment. But that's beside the point. Let's help tear down this emotional rant just a little more
As for the shooting incident brought to the fore by the poster "sirs" and specifically to the posters reply to my comments on A) the layout of the house and B) the comments by the father of the shooter?
To A: Unless the front and back doors and the window in question of this house are all one in the same the 15 year old shooter had plenty of time to seek safety in a way that didn't involve a shooting.
There was MORE than 1 person. And unless the 15year old has access to video cameras, there's no way in hell he would know where they BOTH were at any given time, if he's only seeing one, or not knowing if there were more than 2. YOU WEREN'T THERE, and these kids aren't military vets. Far better to stay in a safe location, and defend themselves from a defensible position......which they did. And thank God they had that AR-15
To B: The father of the shooter, being a police officer, knew very well the importance of getting out in front of this story. Further, his remarks, so perfectly worded to protect his son, may very well have been issued after consulting with a lawyer.
Love the Dr Phil 10second psychoanalysis. Your pure non pseudopsychological speculation aside, I'm going to go with that's EXACTLY what he meant and intended to say
Though this "cooperative" suffix is at least entertaining, as is the 3rd party reference. I'm impressed you're taking the additional time and energy to place such parameters around my name, when everyone else can just type "sirs". 8)
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I really mean looking pellet pistol should be quite effective in repelling burglars. No one appreciates being shot with a pellet, and they are unlikely to hang around for long after being shot with one.
I have seen ads for crossbow pistols that look very menacing.
The cost of pellet pistols and crossbows and their ammo is far cheaper as well, assuming that one feels a need to practice.
An M-1 rifle for home defense would be most useful if you carried it around with you loaded, in your home, all day. I deem this unlikely for all but the deeply obsessed.
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Then by all means, YOU may choose to defend your homes and loved ones with a pellet gun. I think your garden hose should do just fine in case your garage is fully engulfed as well
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I really mean looking pellet pistol should be quite effective in repelling burglars. No one appreciates being shot with a pellet, and they are unlikely to hang around for long after being shot with one.
I have seen ads for crossbow pistols that look very menacing.
The cost of pellet pistols and crossbows and their ammo is far cheaper as well, assuming that one feels a need to practice.
An M-1 rifle for home defense would be most useful if you carried it around with you loaded, in your home, all day. I deem this unlikely for all but the deeply obsessed.
Recently an Atlanta area woman shot a home invader with a pistol.
She got five hits and this turned out to be enough, but the guy was pretty tough , it was barely enough.
He left under his own power.
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For most burglars, just pointing a pistol at them should be enough. It is hardly necessary to kill someone to prevent being robbed.
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I doubt seriously anyone is intending on kiling their intruder, and yes just brandishing a gun will frequently save a life, as has been mentioned many a time before, as the bad guy runs. Glad you've finally conceded to that point. But in the event they don't run, you need something that will stop them, and a pellet gun's going to have a hard time stopping a squirrel, much less some human intent on doing something very evil. Once again, we have here a gun used to potentially having saved a life
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For most burglars, just pointing a pistol at them should be enough. It is hardly necessary to kill someone to prevent being robbed.
Should thre be a class of toy pistols intended just for bluffing intruders?
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I really, really doubt that anyone wants to be shot with a pellet gun. They will drop squirrels and rabbits quite well.
Like pistols, they are probably not very useful to any "well organized militia", due to accuracy issues.
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I really, really doubt that anyone wants to be shot with a pellet gun. They will drop squirrels and rabbits quite well.
Not the point now is it, nor does it "drop them quite well". Might make them run away
Like pistols, they are probably not very useful to any "well organized militia", due to accuracy issues.
Pellet guns?? as part of some militia?? What are you smoking?
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Girandoni air rifle as used by Lewis and Clark. A National Firearms Museum Treasure Gun. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pqFyKh-rUI#ws)
Air power assault wepon.
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"Not the point now is it, nor does it "drop them quite well". Might make them run away"
See how little you know. I did a lot of squirrel hunting as a kid with a pellet gun and it does the job believe me.
BSB
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Ditto......doesn't......believe me
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I have killed squirrels and birds with my Red Ryder Daisy BB gun. I think I even put a squirrel's eye out with it as well.
Pellet guns are far more powerful than a BB gun.
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Depends on the pellet gun now, deosn't it. And yea, if you're 10feet away, you might kill it....a squirrel. At 10ft, you might cause some home invading rapest, in a heavy coat to scratch the area you just shot him, like it was an itch. THAT being the point
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Chimp probably was shooting their tails. Gee, how come they just run away?
BSB
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And B's maturity level just keeps shrinking and shrinking. What was that Brad Pitt movie, where as he got older, he actually regressed into an infant like intellect? Oh yea, Benjamin Button. Throw an S between the B's, and whalaaaa
It's all about choice, B. The choice to debate like someone with a serious point to make or......your current ignorant tact. Choice is yours, and yours alone
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You know BT, this asshole Chimp is all on you. You allow him to stick around. He should have been long gone.
BSB
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LOL....BB's ongoing littany of 3rd grade grammar school namecalling as his SOP in responding, and somehow it's all about me and Bt. Can't be bothered to actually respond to the points being made
Down, down, and down some more. All about choice BB, so I guess its safe to recipricate and refer to you as Ben Button from now on? And look at the brght side, he was a sympathetic character, even as he deteriorated mentally & emotionally
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It seems to me like sirs provokes people to call him names.
Mostly all he does is rant and blather about his wacko right wing positions on everything,all of them 100% Rush, Coulter and Fox Snooze types. He never discusses anything other than what he hates and how much he hates is and how stupid he thinks everyone that disagrees with him is.
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It seems to me like sirs provokes people to call him names.
Ahh, so "I'm" the cause of so much loss in self control. Interesting. How so??
He never discusses anything other than what he hates and how much he hates is and how stupid he thinks everyone that disagrees with him is.
Putting aside the many topics of how great this nation is, the greatness in the Constitution, The smell of a good hot dog and movies that make me marvel at what hollywood can do, putting aside all those things I apparently hate and never discuss, of course, you can provide even one example that I called someone stupid merely for disagreeing with me. I mean, there must be a plethora of examples. By all means, let's see just one
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You do not directly call anyone stupid, but in every post you write, you imply how utterly clever you are.
Go shoot something inanimate, sirs. You bore people.
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Ahh, so "I'm" the cause of so much loss in self control. Interesting. How so??
Egotistical maniac. You know damn well it is all on me for letting you stick around. Pay attention won'tcha.
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Ahh, so "I'm" the cause of so much loss in self control. Interesting. How so??
Egotistical maniac. You know damn well it is all on me for letting you stick around. Pay attention won'tcha.
If possible I would like to have this blame.
I should be responsible for everything, it is my scheme for taking over the world.
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Ahh, so "I'm" the cause of so much loss in self control. Interesting. How so??
Egotistical maniac. You know damn well it is all on me for letting you stick around. Pay attention won'tcha.
If possible I would like to have this blame.
I should be responsible for everything, it is my scheme for taking over the world.
Hell no. I'm not sharing the blame with anyone. Recognition from elitist New Englanders has been a life long goal of mine.
or not.
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Ahh, so "I'm" the cause of so much loss in self control. Interesting. How so??
Egotistical maniac. You know damn well it is all on me for letting you stick around. Pay attention won'tcha.
LOL....my bad
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Ahh, so "I'm" the cause of so much loss in self control. Interesting. How so??
Egotistical maniac. You know damn well it is all on me for letting you stick around. Pay attention won'tcha.
LOL....my bad
NO!
Mine mine mine my bad!
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You do not directly call anyone stupid,
So, you're directly contradicting yourself, when you claim I do. I see. Ok, that accusation is now debunked
but in every post you write, you imply how utterly clever you are.
Only when the inquiry/POV goes unopposed and/or unrefuted. Then we just leave it to the more objective readers to come to their own conclusions as to any sense of "cleverness". If you think yourself as stupid in being unable to respond with facts or common sense, and instead slurs and insults....well, that's your call
Go shoot something inanimate, sirs. You bore people.
LOL...and yet you continue to respond....not in any form of debate, which is actually the whole idea behind posting in this location, but with the SOP of the left, ignorant demeaning/insulting
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Y A W N....
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L O L ....
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speaking of a mans gun
Elephant Rifles 577 T-REX, 460 Weatherby, AR-50 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJs9NPM9PiA#)
shame I`m old and frail I`d try it
Elephant Rifles 577 T-REX, 460 Weatherby, AR-50 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJs9NPM9PiA#)
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fallenbrethren3gunstage1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd4B77PkeaU#ws)
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Thats one specal little lady
It remind how annoyed i am about how problematic anti-gun sentiment can be though. I have to leave town to get a gun permit since thier is no gun range to use for qualification. Not just me but officers has this problem.
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(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab40/katiepavlich/ScreenShot2013-04-11at113505PM_zpse643fb21.png)
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fallenbrethren3gunstage
I wonder does a woman feel safer on a gunrange with a pistol on her hip, or......
Just where would a woman feel safer than on a nice friendly gun range?
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Just where would a woman feel safer than on a nice friendly gun range?
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NORMAL women, in a spa, at home, anywhere that people are not shooting guns.
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Depends on who's doing the shooting now, isn't it
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Just where would a woman feel safer than on a nice friendly gun range?
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NORMAL women, in a spa, at home, anywhere that people are not shooting guns.
What do you mean by normal?
Places where a woman might be accosted , robbed or harmed are almost everywhere she goes.
Of all the places a woman might be able to feel safe I woud expect the best to be a place where it is normal to expect her to be armed.
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One is far less in danger of being shot in a place where no one has any guns.
Just like one is less likely to be run over by a car in a place with no roads, streets of access by car.
Go ask any woman that isn't some sort of gun nut.
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One is far less in danger of being shot in a place where no one has any guns.
Except if its a bad guy, who has one. Using one where they're not allowed is what bad guys specialize in
Just like one is less likely to be run over by a car in a place with no roads, streets of access by car.
Excellent, so lets' start banning cars. We'll start off with the most dangerous ones......like those European want-to-be's, such as the Prius. One bump against an SUV and that car is toast
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There are places that have NO GUNS. No bad guys with guns, no incompetent Dick Cheneys with guns, no gun nuts with guns.
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Where is that? Jail?
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That's the only place that I can think of as well
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There are places that have NO GUNS. No bad guys with guns, no incompetent Dick Cheneys with guns, no gun nuts with guns.
Is this a sort of place that an ordinary person can spend a lot of time?
Guns are rare in jail , making no one in particular any safer there.
Watch at minute 8;15
FULL 30MIN video of inmate drug use, gun in Orleans Parish Prison cell released (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_rRZ9ejTqU#ws)
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One is far less in danger of being shot in a place where no one has any guns.
Just like one is less likely to be run over by a car in a place with no roads, streets of access by car.
Go ask any woman that isn't some sort of gun nut.
There are places where guns are rare, in these places the power of a gun to do harm is increased, the threat of a rare gun is greater than the threat of the commonplace gun.
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Half the population of this country are females. I find your stupid notion that women are only safe at gun ranges to be absurd, since women are now and always have been safer than men from violent crime, but if it were true, which it is not, then there is certainly not enough room for every woman to spend every day being safe at a stupid gun range.
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Still waiting for this "place" that have NO GUNS & No bad guys with guns. Ever going to share the location of this utopia, or is it some hard core liberal secret?
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Half the population of this country are females. I find your stupid notion that women are only safe at gun ranges to be absurd, since women are now and always have been safer than men from violent crime, but if it were true, which it is not, then there is certainly not enough room for every woman to spend every day being safe at a stupid gun range.
Do you know a lot of women who have never been attacked , or do you know a lot of women who have survived attack?
I will take it as granted that women are on advradge less agressive than men , and thereby generate somewhat less troubles.
But one need not be directly at fault to have troubles , and if women are truely less agressive then they are in that measure more qualified to have wepons.
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Half the population of this country are females. I find your stupid notion that women are only safe at gun ranges to be absurd, since women are now and always have been safer than men from violent crime, but if it were true, which it is not, then there is certainly not enough room for every woman to spend every day being safe at a stupid gun range.
Did I say that women were only safe at gun ranges?
Perhaps I should have.
Women have an intrinsic valuable that they always have , a man can be too poor to be robbed but no woman can be too poor to be raped.
Women are raped in their own homes most often , but they have been raped just about anywhere.
The one circumstance that might change this is having a place where the women are generally armed.
Of this I am still unsure , about a fifth of the women in the Army report being rapedor threatened , so I suppose they were raped or harrased at times and places where they were not armed.
So even on a military base a woman would be safer on the fireing range.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/22/the-armed-forces-response-to-rape-makes-military-justice-an-oxymoron/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/22/the-armed-forces-response-to-rape-makes-military-justice-an-oxymoron/)
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Half the population of this country are females. I find your stupid notion that women are only safe at gun ranges to be absurd, since women are now and always have been safer than men from violent crime, but if it were true, which it is not, then there is certainly not enough room for every woman to spend every day being safe at a stupid gun range.
Did I say that women were only safe at gun ranges?
No, you didn't. It's a typical strawman tactic by some folks however, to argue a point never made. But I like your redress ;)
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/12/maher-liberals-are-too-scared-to-say-the-2nd-amendment-is-bullsh-t/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/12/maher-liberals-are-too-scared-to-say-the-2nd-amendment-is-bullsh-t/)
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It would seem so
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So long as each and every gun owner is a member of a TRAINED MILITIA the second amendment makes sense.
The discussion generally omits one of the main reasons why local militias were considered to be so important: in the South, one of their main jobs was to chase down and bring back escaped slaves. The British, during the Revolution, made it a policy to declare that if the British won the Revolution, slavery would be abolished, so during the Revolution, there were LOTS of escaped slaves running free.
On the frontier, guns were needed to fight off Indians and hunt game for meat, especially during the winter. More importantly, these armed militias were used to hunt down slaves, and to show by their presence, as Kunta Kinte found out, that escape was very difficult.
If we had the laws that the Swiss have about guns and militias, we would largely eliminate a lot of gun deaths.
The state with the lowest rate of gun deaths? HAWAII. Hawaii has one fifteenth the rate of gun deaths as does Louisiana, which has the highest rate.
It is pretty hard to bring a gun into Hawaii without the required paperwork. Most travel to Hawaii is by air. Boats are checked when arriving as well, so it is pretty hard to get a gun ashore without proper paperwork. The low rate of gun deaths is not due to Jack Lord, Dano and the rest of Five-Oh.
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Fortunately for the rest of the country, the Supreme Court doesn't support your twisted perversion of the 2nd amendment
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Yeah, right.
You really need guns to defend yourselves against people who might come and take your guns away.
In the meantime, the most likely way that guns are used by White people in this country is suicide.
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You really need guns to defend yourselves against people who might come and take your guns away.
FINALLY A BRIEF MOMENT IN GRASPING THE POINT OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT. (Perhaps my prayers are being answered, even if in bits)
In the meantime, the most likely way that guns are used by White people in this country is suicide.
Not sure why you're injecting race into this, but Statistically, and factually, you'd be in error in what you opine as "likely". FACTUALLY they are used exponentially more often to defend oneself in this country. When you add suicides, the ratio, IIRC, is about 10:1 guns used to save a life vs those used to take a life. When you take suicides out of the equation, that ratio goes up dramatically, close to 100:1, IIRC
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(http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/reu/d//AdminPhotos/Screen%20Shot%202013-04-14%20at%2011.52.22%20PM.png)
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Why take suicides out of the equation?
Lots of suicides are the result of despair while intoxicated.
If you are killed by a gun and are White, statistically it is most often a suicide.
If you are killed by a gun and you are Black, it is most likely the result of some sort of gang violence or robbery.
Odds are, we would be better off if none of these people died.
A gun is a remote for a human being: it is simply an easy way to turn a human being off forever.
I think that phasers that could only stun would be a great improvement over handguns.
And again, the Swiss have shown us the way. Switzerland is not an oppressive country, many people are armed, and gun violence is minimal.
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Why take suicides out of the equation?
I didn't.....I merely referenced that the ratio of lives saved vs lives lost with the use of a gun goes up dramatically when taken out. But even if you keep it in, far more lives are still saved with the use of a gun, than those taken, regardless of circumstances of what prompted the suicide
If you are killed by a gun and are White, statistically it is most often a suicide.
Irelevent to the FACT that more lives are saved with the use of a gun, be it white, black, brown or green, than those lives taken by one. At least in THIS country
If you are killed by a gun and you are Black, it is most likely the result of some sort of gang violence or robbery.
Irelevent to the FACT that more lives are saved with the use of a gun, be it white, black, brown or green, than those lives taken by one. At least in THIS country
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In Japan where guns are less common , suicide is more common.
What about removing one method , from amoung many, would prevent suicide?
Is suicide really that much less in states that have stricter gun laws?
Is suicide really rare in gun free zones like university or prison?
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Suicide is NOT more frequent in Japan, despite the former habits of samuri.
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Suicide is NOT more frequent in Japan, despite the former habits of samuri.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate)
Japan makes the top ten, the US doesn't make the top twenty.
I think your statement is in error.
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OUCH.
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There are two reasons why suicides are frequently misreported in the US: religion and insurance. Most of the top countries are not Roman Catholic countries where the church can prevent burial in "holy ground", and countries where life insurance is both common and allowed to disallow payment in the case of suicide.
So I question this list.
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So, at the very least here, xo is questioning the facts presented, but can't refute them. Merely speculate why there aren't more suicides in the U.S........almost as if he were wishing there were more here in the U.S. :-\ I suppose I can use the same tactic and speculate why there aren't more lives saved with the use of a Gun, then there already is......largely misreported, under-reported, and even not reported, based on possibly on not wanting law enforcement involved
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There are two reasons why suicides are frequently misreported in the US: religion and insurance. Most of the top countries are not Roman Catholic countries where the church can prevent burial in "holy ground", and countries where life insurance is both common and allowed to disallow payment in the case of suicide.
So I question this list.
Suicides using guns are pretty clearly suicides, not as easy to fake as the movies would have it.
But your point seems to be that the USA is less honest about suicides than the thirtyfive countrys with greater percapata suicide reported?
Japan hasn't got life insurance?
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The Japanese have universal health care, which means they are less likely to have life insurance. I am sure they can buy it, but I have no data on how many Japanese do this. They are great at saving money, and of course, if you have enough money saved, then you do not need life insurance, or at least are less likely to think you do.
The usual gun suicide lie is that the person shot himself while cleaning his gun, and the police would rather call it an accident. They have no reason to insist on it being recorded as a suicide if requested to do so by the family.
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Health care has no bearing on a persons need for life insurance.
With the best and cheapest health care possible the death rate is 100%.
Life insurance is needed if there are people who depend on you.
I don't know exactly how many Japaneese vs Americans buy life insurance and then comit suicide , but I I would have to guess that the number is a minority of suicides in either case.
At any rate I feel as if we have left the fairway, crossed the rough and have entered the woods on this.
I posit that there is not a strong co-relation between firearm availibility and suicide rates.
I point to AVAILIBLE data .
If you have got some data that you are not shareing , shame on you.