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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Amianthus on November 19, 2007, 10:49:26 PM
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Found this one today.
(http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/HATE_CRIMES.sff_GFX428_20071119145950.jpg)
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As you can see, Mikey's right - most hate crimes occur in the southeast...
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;D
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No Mississippi data?
No Canada data?
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I saw that and the article that went with it. Seems like it was based on pretty much the same data I posted a couple of weeks ago. And, you know, that was irrelevant because, because, well, dammit, it contradicted the point Tee was trying to make.
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An interesting point to be made is that Canada also still has similar difficulties with natives. No one is above sin...
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Hilarious. Mississippi one big data blank. Hate crahms? No hate crahms heah, boy.
What's the most populous state, California? And California has the most hate crimes? Gee, how innarestin. Wonder if . . . ? Naaah.
I guess for the real simple minded, the map of hate crimes solves the problem though. Absolutely no data on the relative frequency of reporting hate crimes or whether Mississippi or Alabama victims just don't bother going to the police as often as California victims would. Now why could that be? Hey let's not spoil a perfectly good piece of "research" with further analysis now. We got the results we wanted eh? When ya strike oil, STOP DRILLIN. Good advice for the oil industry, good too for the spin industry.
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Absolutely no data on the relative frequency of reporting hate crimes or whether Mississippi or Alabama victims just don't bother going to the police as often as California victims would. Now why could that be?
LOL....and yet again, lack of proof/evidence is proof postive for Tee *must fit template, must fit template* :D
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When conclusions are drawn from a study, it's perfectly legitimate to point out areas of study that might have influenced the study that were completely ignored in the study.
Just because an exercise is labelled a "study" does not mean that it's methodology was foolproof or that its conclusions must be accepted as fact whether or not they examined all legitimate factors.
The usual suspects in this group leapt upon the study and immediately drew one conclusion from it that even its authors may not have intended. But if you are going to draw on that study to support your ludicrous conclusion ( that the South is no more racist than the rest of the country) then you have no right to whine when the failings of the study are pointed out to you.
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What's the most populous state, California? And California has the most hate crimes? Gee, how innarestin. Wonder if . . . ? Naaah.
And Minnesota is one of the least populous states, and it's right on up there near the top. And it's also no where near the southeast.
At least my claims are based on recent living experiences in Canada, the northeast US, the upper midwest, and the southeast. Your claims are based on one trip 40 years ago.
Wonder who has the most relevant experience?
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No one is above sin...
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Really?
So there is no place, anywhere where there are no 'hate crimes'?
I suggest that this is a stupid statement.
Also, there are no statistics anywhere on the actual number of hate crimes, because there is only data on the number REPORTED.
There was no one reported for antisemitic crimes in the Third Reich, after all.
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Also, there are no statistics anywhere on the actual number of hate crimes, because there is only data on the number REPORTED. There was no one reported for antisemitic crimes in the Third Reich, after all.
Last time I checked, there was no system of Government within the Third Reich to allow such, much less prosecute. Care to prove otherwise?
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<<Wonder who has the most relevant experience?>>
I do, cuz I saw them at their most natural, when they weren't afraid of letting it all hang out, and you saw them when they had to at least fake it that they weren't a bunch of racists because ever since the mid-sixties those blacks were able to vote, which changed a whole lot of things. Lotta what I was was driven underground where you apparently don't get to see it.
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Lotta what I was was driven underground where you apparently don't get to see it.
Interesting confession.
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Call it a Freudian slip.
<<Lotta what I was SEEING was driven underground where you apparently don't get to see it.>>
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I find it much more likely that the rednecks you were seeing are all dead or too feeble to be much trouble anymore.
Matches well with my experiences, and satisfies Occam's Razor.
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Far as I know, most a those rednecks must have had kids and grandkids. And I think the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. If the ways of the fathers had brought down some kind of cataclysm on the entire society, as for example happened in Germany and Japan, then the next generation might well have realized the error of their parents' ways and turned away from them decisively, particularly since they were present as a new society had to be rebuilt from the ashes. However in the absence of any such catastrophe, I think it's only natural that racist psychos will breed more racist psychos. Like father, like son. Only, thanks to the Voting Rights and Civil Rights Act, imposed upon them by "outside" forces, i.e. the evil Federal Government, they have learned to speak in a different way in public. But the underlying human nature doesn't change all that much from one generation to the next.
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Yada, yada, yada.
You got assumptions based on 40 year old observations. I got recent practical experience.
Far as I'm concerned, you're full of shit. You just can't see it because of your prejudices.
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Wonder who has the most relevant experience?
I live in the South, have pretty much all my life. I've seen the changes from the 60's to now. Sure, there are still racists around, just as there are up north, and even in Canada. I know, I've done a bit of traveling in my time too. And I'll tell you flat out, if Tee thinks the problem is so much worse here than anywhere else, he's full of crap. Maybe he should get out more often.
By the way, heard they found some more nooses the other day - in Michigan. Not in the Yewpee, though, so I guess they were racist southern Michiganers.
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Last time I checked, there was no system of Government within the Third Reich to allow such, much less prosecute. Care to prove otherwise?
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Well, you see, that is exactly the point, isn't it?
You can't say there were no hate crimes simply because none were reported.
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So it's just a coincidence that the South produces leaders like Trent Lott and George Allen? Everyone else thinks the same but covers it up better? Hillary's just like them? Joe Biden is? Edward Kennedy? I don't think it's a coincidence at all.
<<You got assumptions based on 40 year old observations. I got recent practical experience.>>
Personal observations, a ton of reading and a simple knowledge of human nature. Your practical experience is probably with a bunch of transplanted yuppies and a handful of relatively progressive Southerners. I saw the real thing. It wasn't one bad guy here and one bad guy there. It was a whole world of bad guys everywhere. That stuff doesn't die out in a generation.
<<Far as I'm concerned, you're full of shit. You just can't see it because of your prejudices.>>
If you think they gave up a racism as deeply ingrained as it was, all over the past 50 years, you're a bigger fool than I thought. You're just living in a dream world. My so-called prejudices are nothing but simple knowledge of human nature and something none of you right-wingers will ever acquire, which is realism and common sense.
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Last time I checked, there was no system of Government within the Third Reich to allow such, much less prosecute. Care to prove otherwise?
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Well, you see, that is exactly the point, isn't it?
Yea, that we do.
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<<Well, you see, that is exactly the point, isn't it?
<<You can't say there were no hate crimes [in the Third Reich] simply because none were reported.>>
Oh, they were reported alright. Even made it to the floor of the U.S. Senate.
http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/THR-18.PDF
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Your practical experience is probably with a bunch of transplanted yuppies and a handful of relatively progressive Southerners. I saw the real thing.
More assumptions. And, as usual for you, these assumptions are incorrect.
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The assumptions that I made weren't crucial to the argument. My argument is based on my knowledge and experience. I know what I saw. I know what I read in the books and papers and saw on TV. I know what I heard from visitors. I made an educated guess as to the type of Southerners you met. Guessing never is 100% accurate, it's by definition hit-and-miss. And I make no apologies when I miss. If you'll notice, I prefaced my guess (or as you call it, my assumption) with the word "probably," which actually allows for the possibility of error. You say my guess missed the mark. I say, BFD.
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Your practical experience is probably with a bunch of transplanted yuppies and a handful of relatively progressive Southerners.
More assumptions. And, as usual for you, these assumptions are incorrect.
Must fit his template
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EVERYONE'S got a template, sirs. Call it a POV, worldview, Weltanschauung or whatever, it's kind of hard to reach the age of maturity without one. I know yours like the back of my hand. It's all fucked up and wrong. Mine, OTOH, is a pretty clear representation of what the world's really like.
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Mine, OTOH, is a pretty clear representation of what the world's really like.
Yeah, full of hate and prejudice.
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<<Yeah, full of hate and prejudice.>>
No, actually it's full of peace and love. Those wars that you see on your TV screens? They aren't really happening. The Holocaust? Just a myth. Trent Lott and his supporters don't REALLY think the world woulda bin better if Strom Thurmond had been elected President. Trent's a guy with a great sense of humour, he was practicing his stand-up routine.
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EVERYONE'S got a template, sirs.
MOST everyone, at least those with a rational mind, also can be objective, and can admit when they're wrong, when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary of that template. You would not be one of those. a "POV" as you referenced, can me modified with updated expereinces and facts. A "template', especially in your case, is where you have made an absolute forgone conclusion, and nothing, absolutely NOTHING is going to dent that position, regardless of any facts to the contrary. Nothing, what-so-ever
I know yours like the back of my hand. It's all fucked up and wrong. Mine, OTOH, is a pretty clear representation of what the world's really like.
LOL....And there'd be a perfect example, thank you very much
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Well, I thought it was pretty funny. I loved writing that line. It was true AND funny at the same time.
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Wonder who has the most relevant experience?
I live in the South, have pretty much all my life. I've seen the changes from the 60's to now. Sure, there are still racists around, just as there are up north, and even in Canada. I know, I've done a bit of traveling in my time too. And I'll tell you flat out, if Tee thinks the problem is so much worse here than anywhere else, he's full of crap. Maybe he should get out more often.
By the way, heard they found some more nooses the other day - in Michigan. Not in the Yewpee, though, so I guess they were racist southern Michiganers.
It is simple Southern casuistry to pretend that racism is defined by prankism acting out. In every city in the North which readilly reports these noose incidents, they usually will do some follow-up on the local nutjob hate groups that flaunt the notion that White is superior. Call it putting distance between you and your viewers and hate. What you do not see in these Northern cities are cars sporting the confederate flag, which almost all Negroes both South and North see as pure hate expression.
Course, some will abstain: "Not our Nigras. They was happy until the hippy yankees came down here."
There is a real clue in the map that discloses the locations of reported hate crimes. Only a complete fucking idiot believes that there was only one reported case in Alabama and none in Mississippi. Incidentally, those who would try to utilize this absurd silliness to cast a good light on the South are quite likely racists in their own accord, since all laudable intent is lost to using figures to lie.
Racism is more defined by this kind of unspoken threat, this hiddedness of malicious hate, this entrenched and unyielding denial that exists in the South still.
The South has hate down; it has hate so thoroughly ingrained that no nooses need to be hung in trees, where real nooses hung so plentifly. It is in the air, and it winds through-out what the acidly arcane doctrinists call "heritage."
Like most Blacks, I see the word as code for hate--heritage is hate.
It is the South itself, and those still snarling at the bit, that need to be enlightened, and not those in the North who don't see what you see riding around in your truck.
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Wow.
Excellent post, Crane. Nailed it flat. Congrats.
<<Only a complete fucking idiot believes that there was only one reported case in Alabama and none in Mississippi. >>
LOL. Waiting for the "no evidence is proof that it must have happened" or "So you admit you have no actual evidence of further cases from Alabama and Mississippi" jibes from the usual suspects.
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Excellent post, Crane. Nailed it flat. Congrats.
If you mean he showed the same prejudices that you have, then yeah, he nailed it.
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What you do not see in these Northern cities are cars sporting the confederate flag...
I guess you don't get out much, either.
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What you do not see in these Northern cities are cars sporting the confederate flag...
I guess you don't get out much, either.
Yeah, I can't tell you how many times I saw the Confederate battle flag on cars in Minneapolis - that haven of the enlightened, according to Crane. Actually, I think I might have seen more up there than in NC (as a percentage of vehicles on the road).
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Excellent post, Crane. Nailed it flat. Congrats.
If you mean he showed the same prejudices that you have, then yeah, he nailed it.
All Blacks--even the roll-overs like Thomas, Cosby and Freeman--believe that racism existed then, exists now. These Republican cats simply disagree as how to live and endure successfully in spite of it.
But even they do not deny racism, they simply handle it differently from the lion's share of Blacks.
Extravagent success inspires, permits this. Black athletes roll in bling, and they create their own palaces, but they must, of course . . . soon they will be mad in their luxury.
Many times, success hollows those who get there, especially when luck looms large, like a grinning God with the price tag, demanding ultimately they devour themselves.
On some level, though, it must occur to them that their lotto-like luck with stand-up, thespian, and simpering boot-lick efforts are hardly bootstrap stuff, and eventully fizzle under the scrutiny of community common sense. For ninety-nine point nine nine percent of Black Americans, cashing in on an exceptional bestowal of a talent is beyond them, and they must cope like all of us must do, unless they are blessed by the new pantheon of America's Olympus--Celebrities. OJ was exonerated not because he is Black, but because he is Celebrity. True, he was a malcontent, mischevious God, but even with savagery, he still maintained his power, thus his freedom.
Racism in America is prevalent and destructive to everything God intended.
In America, the mother of this fester is the South. Was and still is.
It is Mister Tee and myself who see this, and agree.
Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomoly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur, should you have your nose put to your scene, like Scrooge. And, like Scrooge, have your predjudice pulled painfully from your self-created sampler, so that you may ken that your version is denial, put together to sustain all the weaknesses and fears you harbor within, and your racism is born with your need to visit this character cancer on something without of your messy little selves. I believe the phrase relevant to this psychological discharge is ''rolls downhill."
Who knew?
I did.
I bet Mister Tee did, too.
Not psychic.
Just real, above the dysfunctioning emotional crosswire.
heh heh heh
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Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomoly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur, should you have your nose put to your scene, like Scrooge. And, like Scrooge, have your predjudice pulled painfully from your self-created sampler, so that you may ken that your version is denial, put together to sustain all the weaknesses and fears you harbor within, and your racism is born with your need to visit this character cancer on something without of your messy little selves. I believe the phrase relevant to this psychological discharge is ''rolls downhill."
Please provide a link to where I denied racism or bigotry exist.
I bet I won't get one from you.
heh heh heh
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In America, the mother of this fester is the South. Was and still is. It is Mister Tee and myself who see this, and agree. Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless ....
.....Unless of course, that's one of the most asaine meritless accusations to date. As Ami accurately inquired, you'll be hard pressed to find ANYONE here, inluding those bastard whities, where they've denied any racism, much less that "deny it even exists" ::) What's been denied is how supposedly massively widespread it is, analogus to the 50's & 60's, and that the current amount of racism is still the MO of "the south"
Pretty pathetic
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Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists...
Liar.
Go here ( http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=4589.15 ), and scroll down to the bear thumbing its nose - I clearly said racism exists.
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<<Racism in America is prevalent and destructive to everything God intended.
<<In America, the mother of this fester is the South. Was and still is.
It is Mister Tee and myself who see this, and agree.
<<Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomoly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur, should you have your nose put to your scene, like Scrooge. And, like Scrooge, have your predjudice pulled painfully from your self-created sampler, so that you may ken that your version is denial, put together to sustain all the weaknesses and fears you harbor within, and your racism is born with your need to visit this character cancer on something without of your messy little selves. I believe the phrase relevant to this psychological discharge is ''rolls downhill."
<<Who knew?
<<I did.
<<I bet Mister Tee did, too.
<<Not psychic.
<<Just real, above the dysfunctioning emotional crosswire.>>
LOL. That's beautiful. I love how, faced with a barrage of facts and logic, the right-wing deniers of Southern racism zero in on the ONE POINT they might be able to successfully dispute ("Me? I never denied the existence of racism!") which allows them to dodge the 99% accuracy of everything else you said.
It's as if you nailed them with a shotgun blast to the chest but one pellet sailed over their head, and they cry out triumphantly, Ya missed!! Yer WAY off target!! They're hilarious. They deal with the points they want to deal with.
Well done, Crane.
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They deal with the points they want to deal with.
As do you.
You continue to make claims in the face of facts and just say that anyone with facts to the contrary are just deluded.
I say that you and Crane are the prejudiced bigots.
And if you deny it, then it just proves that I'm right.
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<<Racism in America is prevalent and destructive to everything God intended.
<<In America, the mother of this fester is the South. Was and still is.
It is Mister Tee and myself who see this, and agree.
<<Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomoly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur, should you have your nose put to your scene, like Scrooge. And, like Scrooge, have your predjudice pulled painfully from your self-created sampler, so that you may ken that your version is denial, put together to sustain all the weaknesses and fears you harbor within, and your racism is born with your need to visit this character cancer on something without of your messy little selves. I believe the phrase relevant to this psychological discharge is ''rolls downhill."
<<Who knew?
<<I did.
<<I bet Mister Tee did, too.
<<Not psychic.
<<Just real, above the dysfunctioning emotional crosswire.>>
LOL. That's beautiful. I love how, faced with a barrage of facts and logic, the right-wing deniers of Southern racism zero in on the ONE POINT they might be able to successfully dispute ("Me? I never denied the existence of racism!") which allows them to dodge the 99% accuracy of everything else you said.
It's as if you nailed them with a shotgun blast to the chest but one pellet sailed over their head, and they cry out triumphantly, Ya missed!! Yer WAY off target!! They're hilarious. They deal with the points they want to deal with.
Well done, Crane.
I don't see why H should have to deal with guilt in this way.
Do you and Yellow Crane consider the efforts of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. wasted because there is no possibility of overcomeing racism?
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<<And if you deny it, then it just proves that I'm right.>>
OK smart guy, I don't deny it so that must prove you're wrong. Hnyuck, nyuck, nyuck. Or . . . Hey!! Now just wait a damn minnit!!! Oh no ya don't. I take that back!
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<<I don't see why H should have to deal with guilt in this way.>>
I don't get it. What's H guilty of?
<<Do you and Yellow Crane consider the efforts of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. wasted because there is no possibility of overcomeing racism?>>
No, he galvanized a lot of people for the struggle and changed a lot of minds. Mostly in the North, IMHO. He got people out in the streets, refusing to work "behind the scenes," eschewing "gradualism" for direct action and freedom NOW! This in turn put pressure on JFK and his group, who previously felt they had to keep their distance from the "militants" to keep the Solid South solid, and after the assassination, LBJ had to deal with the same new forces, ultimately forcing through the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.
It's a long, hard struggle, but you're question is like asking whether a GI who "only" killed two Nazis had "wasted" his efforts. Every little bit counts towards the final victory and in Dr. King's case, he certainly contributed more than a little bit.
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<<I don't see why H should have to deal with guilt in this way.>>
I don't get it. What's H guilty of?
<<Do you and Yellow Crane consider the efforts of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. wasted because there is no possibility of overcomeing racism?>>
No, he galvanized a lot of people for the struggle and changed a lot of minds. Mostly in the North, IMHO. He got people out in the streets, refusing to work "behind the scenes," eschewing "gradualism" for direct action and freedom NOW! This in turn put pressure on JFK and his group, who previously felt they had to keep their distance from the "militants" to keep the Solid South solid, and after the assassination, LBJ had to deal with the same new forces, ultimately forcing through the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.
It's a long, hard struggle, but you're question is like asking whether a GI who "only" killed two Nazis had "wasted" his efforts. Every little bit counts towards the final victory and in Dr. King's case, he certainly contributed more than a little bit.
H is not guilty of anything I know about , so how "Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomoly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur....
strikes you as apt seems incongruous.
You say that you beleive change possible , but you do not acknoledge that change has been signifigant. Even over the course of fourty years?
Could it be that the accomplishment of equality under the law is not enough nor is acceptnce in all levels of society?
Perhaps the cause must be preserved for the political use it has , ven if is real purposes have been accomplished .
Racism is more likely to be revived in a response to its reversal than from its elimination.
Racism has lost a lot of its appeal , has lost alot of its following has lost almost all of its political clout.
It isn't gone yet , but it is nurseing its wounds and being nourished by anti-racists who are sure they do right when they attack the white.
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LOL. That's beautiful. I love how, faced with a barrage of facts and logic, the right-wing deniers of Southern racism zero in on the ONE POINT they might be able to successfully dispute ("Me? I never denied the existence of racism!") which allows them to dodge the 99% accuracy of everything else you said.
It's as if you nailed them with a shotgun blast to the chest but one pellet sailed over their head, and they cry out triumphantly, Ya missed!! Yer WAY off target!! They're hilarious. They deal with the points they want to deal with.
I don't get it. What's H guilty of?
You tell me, numbnuts. You're the one that made it sound as though I were guilty of something. What, other than proving crane is a liar?
I'm starting to get tired of folks in here trying to make me out some sort of racist.
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Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists...
Liar.
Go here ( http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?topic=4589.15 ), and scroll down to the bear thumbing its nose - I clearly said racism exists. --Hnumpah
"I bet I won't get one from you." --Ami
I love it when posters examine the fabric for a simple or single item, spot a bot on the body of the issue, and pretend they can extend that as proof of the fallacy of the whole point, or claim proof enought to call someone a liar. I have seen that often in here. Films by Michael Moore have often been attacked like this--one item of questional interpretation earns Moore the label of liar, thus hoping to invalidate all his whistle-blowing gems. It is a posture full of hubris and disingenuous, but there you are. I ask you, given the paucity of real return, what else can they do?
If you look at my post, you will see that in this quote: "Folks like you, Hr.mupph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic . . ." I am talking about racism as it appears on this board from time to time (true, without me, and before Tee, it would not come up at all), or why else would I include "almost every other male or female in here"? Once again, a stretch that is intellectually embarassing. You did not look before you spit.
I know you said that racism does exist, as a conciliatory intro to suggest that racism is not a Southern issue and more than it is a Northern issue. I saw that and I yawned.
I also know you began there, and from there, as always, seek to trivialize or outright deny that racism exists as much in the South as it does in the North, or that when remarks occur in the media, or issues and people derived therefrom, they are be considered racism. Don't take my word for it. Ask your friends on that single point. "Do I always seem to deny . . . .?" In case you missed the memo, racism is beyond the boundaries of partisianship or the automatic choosing of a side in a debate.
If it is a tally of posts from the both of you that can be called racist, or suggesting racism, I have no need to go back and point them out, though I could. Instead, I will merely point them out ad infinitum when they appear from now on, which they surely will.
The fact that the both of you presume that your anecdotal observations carry the clout condlusive enough to prove anything is a source of amusement for anybody reading.
People up North who have confederate bumper stickers are one of two people: l) Southern racists, transposed, or 2) racists so impoverished mentally that they have to borrow a hate image from a frothing redneck in order to express themselves re those they can safely imagine are beneath them, and, to boot, they cannot even pretend to claim 'heritage.' I would suppose the latter ignoramus lacks the bloodlines of the former ignoramus--that would be in keeping with the elitist part of the South so often intimated that we all have to suffer to swallow.
I have the same reaction Blacks in America do when they see this hate symbol displayed, while the both of you continue to erect your camp around the defense of it.
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<<You're the one that made it sound as though I were guilty of something.>>
I did? Where? I thought you were one of the good guys and as far as I know, I never said anything different. Put up or shut up.
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http://www.ncbm.org/members_of_NCBM.html
Black people elected mayor.
Happens often enough , try getting elected in Atlanta otherwise.
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why else would I include "almost every other male or female in here"?
Except that isn't what you said.
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http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2005/streetfight/special_mayors.html
According to a 2001 study on black elected officials by the Joint Center for Politics and Economic studies, 57.1 percent of big city black mayors were elected in cities without a black majority. The same study counted 454 black mayors, 39 congressional office holders and a total of 9,101 black elected officials nationwide. The state with the largest number of black officials and black mayors was Mississippi, with 892 black officials and 54 black mayors. Each state had at least one black elected official except for Hawaii, Montana, North Dakota, and South Dakota.
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<<You're the one that made it sound as though I were guilty of something.>>
I did? Where? I thought you were one of the good guys and as far as I know, I never said anything different. Put up or shut up.
You aplauded this line of YC prose;Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomoly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur,
This does seem a bit personal .
But I am still having a good time myself .
I beleive your theisis tht the south is more prone to evil than the north can be disproven.
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I beleive your theisis tht the south is more prone to evil than the north can be disproven.
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No, you don't understand...
Any "proof" you provide is just evidence that the racists in the south hide it real good.
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You aplauded this line of YC prose;
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Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomoly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur,
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Crane says you guys are racist and I agree with him, but I never said it was cause to feel guilty. I'm sure I've got my own attitudes towards certain groups of people which can't be justified by any rational or ethical basis. We're all the products of our environment and our genes. Sorry for the holier-than-thou attitude, but I still gotta say that Crane's post - - ALL of it - - needed to be said and had a lot of truth in it.
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LOL. That's beautiful. I love how, faced with a barrage of facts and logic, the right-wing deniers of Southern racism zero in on the ONE POINT they might be able to successfully dispute ("Me? I never denied the existence of racism!") which allows them to dodge the 99% accuracy of everything else you said.
Where have I denied it? Or should I put you in the same category of lying sack of shit yellerbird is in?
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You applauded this line of YC prose;
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Folks like you, Hr.muppph, and almost every other white male or female in here deny that it even exists, and that confounds logic, unless it is remembered that the only explanation for such an anomaly of logic is that you yourselves are racist, and the formulation of your theory permits an escape from the vise grip of guilt that would otherwise occur,
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Crane says you guys are racist and I agree with him, but I never said it was cause to feel guilty. I'm sure I've got my own attitudes towards certain groups of people which can't be justified by any rational or ethical basis. We're all the products of our environment and our genes. Sorry for the holier-than-thou attitude, but I still gotta say that Crane's post - - ALL of it - - needed to be said and had a lot of truth in it.
No it didn't need to be said because it has truth in it, it needed to be said so that attitude would be revealed , how will we know of your prejudices if you do not speak of them?
I know you can bring forward many anecdotes to support your assertions but so can any Klansman.
It remains unfair to blanket a race with judgment on the strength of even a thousand anecdotes , or equally a region or a people defined otherwise.
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Crane says you guys are racist and I agree with him...
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Missed that earlier, but I will remember it.
You have no idea. None.
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>>Missed that earlier, but I will remember it.<<
The charge that Conservatives are racist is really just simple projection for the socialist left. It is they who are the racists as is evident by the way they treat minorities. They like to have them around when it comes time to vote, but when their usefulness is over they send them back to crime ridden neighborhoods and failed schools while maintaining the policies that keep them there. It's what I call the liberal plantation. We see liberal racism at it's most disgusting when a minority strays from the plantation and thinks for him or herself. When this happens liberal cartoonists bring out the big lipped dumb house nigger caricatures as they've done to Justice Clarence Thomas, Condelezza Rice, Bill Cosby, and J.C. Watts. There are Black conservative thinkers and authors like Jim Sleeper, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and John McWhorter. All of whom take a different view than the lock step mentality of the Plantation. For that they are called house niggers and worse.
As for the South being more racist than the North, I can say having lived in both parts of this great country, that the South is if anything less racist than our blue state plantations. The legacy of slavery runs deep in the South and because of that I believe and have seen evidence of the Southern White's bending over backwards when it comes to race. This despite the constance ignorance that we're seeing in this thread.
Accusations of Southern/Conservative racism really is just projection from the left. Look at what they do, not what they say.