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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: kimba1 on May 15, 2016, 03:33:25 AM
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My question is did you folks know about at all
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/opinion/why-wont-hollywood-cast-asian-actors.html?_r=0
As a asian in california I cannot know if this topic is notable or not. Here it seemed to me the outrage seems visible but I'm not sure people outside of california notice it or even know emma stone is not asian. Im not doing this to rage on a injustice but to find out how visible this is. I've learn things here that google will not provide
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This is not highly noticeable most of the time .
I am aware of this now and then , when the error is glaring, White is the default for me, it is how my family looks "mostly".
The "suspension of disbelief" works on this as well as anything else unless the difference is comic.
Consider how Shakespeare cast "Othello".
This movie must be the best example I know.
Fictionalizing Genghis Khan is one thing , rolling off the edge of disbelief is another.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_(film)
(http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/wp-content/uploads/John-Wayne.jpg)
http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/yellow-sign-theatre-launches-laughably-bad-big-budget-film-series/2014/02/11
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If I were a Hollywood producer today, I sure would never portray Chinese or Indians as a villainous group.
That is where the big gains in boxoffice are.
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If I were a Hollywood producer today, I sure would never portray Chinese or Indians as a villainous group.
That is where the big gains in boxoffice are.
I think this is the reason for "zombie" movies.
Zombies make it possible to have a dangerous horde without vilifying Zulus or Mongols.
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Nazis were the last true villains that one could present as totally evil, but making movies with Nazi villains was getting old. Movies with evil North Koreans, Nicaraguans, Cubans and Russians did not satisfy the audience.
Lizard people and buglike aliens were not good for the long haul.
Zombies are ideal as villains, except they are nonexistent and silly. I have never liked horror films, or zombies. But I am not typical.
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Well to be fair casting an asian actor to play a specific asian character maybe dificult in anerica. The tv show once upon a time has actress jamie chung play mulan and none of my familiy will watch that show because she simply does not look chinese because of her eyes. As attractive as she maybe her look is quite jarring to us. Lucy liu is what we call hollywood attractive but not really asian attractive. I just pointed out examples why race specific character need to be place by thier respected races even amoung asian subgroups
This is why memoir of a geisha worked locally but not internationally. Hollywood still has alot to learn to gain more overseas money.
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Hollywood still has alot to learn to gain more overseas money.
What sells best are action films with not much dialog. In hot climates like India, South China, Southeast Asia and Indonesia, a big reason to attend the movies is to enjoy the air conditioning.It is pretty hard to make a dramatic film when the cultural traditions are so different.
There is a great series of shows on Netflix called "30º in February". It is about what happens to three Swedish Individuals that decide to go the Phuket, in Thailand. There is a solitary overweight friendless plumber, a divorced woman with two daughters and a heart condition, and a Swedish housewife who married a rich crippled member of the nobility. They interact with a ladyboy and his family, a Thai builder and his family and a diving instructor and then a smuggler. One of the best TV series I have ever seen. It is in Swedish and Thai with more English than you would expect. The subtitles are in English . Lots of crosscultural conflict anhd miusunderstanding, many humorous incidents, and done with a good understanding of both Thais and Swedes.
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Gotta admit its now hard to make villians now. The red dawn movie supposed to be china invading america but realized it would be a hard sell the release that in china so they changed them to north koreans but that makes the movie convoluted so not very appealing to watch.
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The idea that North Korea could invade and conquer the US is ludicrous.
They made Red Dawn twice: the first time the US was invaded by Russians and Cubans. The second time it was North Koreans. They were both pretty awful films, but the first one did well when it came out and on TV, so they made it again.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/ (1984)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234719/?ref_=nv_sr_1 (2012)
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I just couldn't get past how huge those supposed north koreans are. They look too south korean.
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How do you feel about Bollywood movies?
They are popular across a lot of cultures , more of the world watches Bollywood than Hollywood.
Does this amount to a "soft power" for Indian culture?
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What makes a North Korean appearance?
I really don't know , it might be something too subtle for me to notice it by myself.
https://youtu.be/hmoLLMmQNZI
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Perhaps South Koreans are better fed, but they are genetically equal.
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N.koreans are usually 2,3 inches shorter than s.koreans due to lack of food as xo said. Also the more well off s.koreans has different eyes due to plastic surgery. Wealth asians round out thier eyes ex. Jackie chan. But s.koreans pushed it to the extreme.
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the only guy who looks s.korean is probly the one playing the cafe owner in two broke girls except he`s well fed
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http://www.angrylittlegirls.com/
I suppose you have seen the "Angry Little Asian Girl"?
(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/527808f5e4b04c63a3fe428a/t/52cc7ef1e4b0927ce36102f9/1389133561307/20+years+of+ALAG.jpg?format=750w)
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never heard of her but she`s funny.
i read angry asian guy a rant blog for folks to complain since nobody else even know we`re upset about stuff. not much humor
http://blog.angryasianman.com/
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http://blog.angryasianman.com/
Wait, they are making "Ghost in the Shell" with Caucasians in all the leading roles?
I don't think this is going to work.
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That's what git Me to post this. I heard thier gonna cgi her face to make her asian
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He is awfully short, He is practically a midget,
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/burt-kwouk-famed-for-pink-panther-films-dies-aged-85/ar-BBtpVvD?form=PRHPTP
Burt Kwouk is the guy that jumps out of the shadows onto Inspector Cleauseau setting off ridiculous fights.
I really liked the Pink Panther films.
Is this a spoof of the oriental sidekick meme?
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I like "Angry Asian Girl".
I still do not understand why Chinese prefer to be known as "Asians".
There are hundreds of millions of people who are Asians that are not Chinese.
There are lots of people who look Chinese, but are not Chinese.
Is the word "Chinese" offensive to Chinese?
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I was not aware chinese wanted to be called asians. that was definately brought up at the meetings. so far chinese is not offensive but then the word doesn`t really roll off the tongue with hitting a guy so that word should be safe for awhile.
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What is most preferred?
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I assumed that because Chinese refer to themselves as Asians, that was because they preferred it to "Chinese".
Language is not logical.
Englishman is not offensive,
Frenchman is not offensive,
Dutchman man is not offensive,
Scotsman is not offensive,
Irishman is not offensive.
It seems to be that there is a quirk in the language, because we never say Danishman, Polishman, Czechman, Russianman.
But "Chinaman" is offensive.
China, of course is a fancy variety of crockery, but no one means to suggest that Chinese people are crockery. A Dane would just laugh if he though that he was bing compared to pastry if he was called a Danish. Belgians would perhaps think calling one of their offspring a "Brussells Sprout" was just a bad joke. They would not be offended. They might even laugh.
I suspect that the translation of the word Chinese man and China man in Mandarin and perhaps other languages spoken in China are identical.
Hence, there is no way in Mandarin to distinguish between the two, so as to indicate that an offensive term (Chinaman) has been used.
But Asian would be a totally different word.
Of course, Turks, Persians, Afghans, 100 varieties of Indians, even Israelis and Lebanese are Asian.
So in this case, accuracy is less important than reality.
This is often the case with language. People are offended if you call them a "son of a bitch", but if you called then a 'dog', that is okay. They might like to be called a bulldog. Pit Bull named himself after breed of dog thought of as unpleasant.
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I explained its a american asian offense it's the number one word heard when you hear when punched in the face. It's taught to asians to not like that word. Nigger is the number one word hesrd when punched in the face.
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I don't think these words wood rolloff the toungue in heat of violence. But also your right thst word is mainly used even today to mean inferior. Even chinese use that word for something substandard.
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The insulting words for the Irish are "Mick" and "Paddy" But Michael and Padraic are very common Irish names.
The British call the Scots "Jocks" or "Jocko" but I don't think that is insulting. I once spent a week in Punta Gorda, Belize, drinking with off duty British and Scottish soldiers.
The Scittish soldiers had more and uglier tattoes than anyone I have seen outside a Carnival.
I cannot think of an insult in English for the Dutch. Used to be there was a distinction made between the Pennsylvania Dutch, who were actually Germans, the word for German bring Deutsch. These were also known as the "dumb Dutch" because they did not know English and were therefore mute. The New York Dutch or Holland Dutch were from the Netherlands. about 2/3rds of the land area of the Netherlands is called Holland. French are known as "frogs" because of the way they speak Français comes out Fwrawnsay.