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Title: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 18, 2012, 04:22:47 PM: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
posted at 09/17/2012 08:52:08 PM EDT
http://news.yahoo.com/romney-assails-47-americans-twitter-users-town-201356308.html (http://news.yahoo.com/romney-assails-47-americans-twitter-users-town-201356308.html)

Romney seems unaware that soldiers in a combat zone pay no income tax. The states that have the highest numbers of people who do not pay income tax reside in Southern, generally red, states.

I know this: I worked and paid into SS and Medicare and now am receiving SS. Most years I can live rather well on this, and pay no income taxes. I paid into SS for decades, I paid income taxes for decades, and I paid Medicare since 1966 and still pay $96.40 per month for Medicare.That entitles me to SS and Medicare. I do not think of myself as any sort of victim.

Romney said he did not state this "elegantly" I agree.
Is not the ability to communicate elegantly NOT something we should want in a president?

Was not Reagan lauded as the "Great Communicator" because of his speaking ability?
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
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Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
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Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
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Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 18, 2012, 05:12:41 PM: The truth is that there are LOTS of people who pay nothing to the IRS that do NOT think of themselves as "Victims" that are, in fact entitled to the benefits they receive.

I know because I am one of them.

Rawmoney will not win because he says dumb stuff like this.

His statements are elitist and condescending.

Many kudos to Mother Jones for sending their "secret squirrel" in to expose this uncharismatic tycoon.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: BSB/Hero/Genius/MovieStar on September 18, 2012, 06:22:17 PM: The hilarious thing is that the Republican party is largely made up of southern male high school graduates, no college, with low incomes, paying little to nothing in taxes. Another member of the low to no taxes group are the thousands of veterans disabled in the insane, and pointless, second Iraq war.

Romney is just up to his usual kaki chinos, button-down shirt, completely out of touch, country club, bullshit.

BSB - Buddhism, the compassionate spirituality for thinking people.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 18, 2012, 06:25:08 PM: Lumpenproletarians of the world unite behind the smug tycoon! You have nothing to lose but your own self-respect!
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 18, 2012, 07:25:20 PM: (http://www.windmade.org/media/2572/cnnmoneylogo1.gif)

Government wants more people on food stamps

By Tami Luhby @CNNMoney - June 25, 2012

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The federal government is running radio ads to boost enrollment in food stamps

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- More than one in seven Americans are on food stamps, but the federal government wants even more people to sign up for the safety net program.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture has been running radio ads for the past four months encouraging those eligible to enroll. The campaign is targeted at the elderly, working poor, the unemployed and Hispanics.

The department is spending between $2.5 million and $3 million on paid spots, and free public service announcements are also airing. The campaign can be heard in California, Texas, North Carolina, South Carolina, Ohio, and the New York metro area.

"Research has shown that many people -- particularly underserved seniors, working poor, and legal immigrants -- do not understand the requirements of the program," said Kevin Concannon, a USDA under secretary.

The radio ads, which run through June 30, come amid a bitter partisan fight over the safety net program. Republican lawmakers want to reduce funding for the benefit or turn it into a block grant program, which would also minimize the cost. Democrats, however, are not willing to make major cuts.

The issue has become so heated that Newt Gingrich called President Obama the "food stamp president" to show how he's increased government spending.

Food stamp enrollment certainly shot up during the Great Recession, though it had been rising for more than a decade.

President Bush launched a recruitment campaign, which pushed average participation up by 63% during his eight years in office. The USDA began airing paid radio spots in 2004.

President Obama's stimulus act made it easier for childless, jobless adults to qualify for the program and increased the monthly benefit by about 15% through 2013.

Some 46.4 million people are in the food stamps program, also known as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP. That's just a touch below the record high hit in January.

Still, more than one in four Americans eligible for food stamps do not participate, according to USDA records.

And the rate is much lower among the the elderly and people just above the poverty line. Nearly two-thirds of folks in these categories aren't enrolled.

In one ad, an elderly woman is surprised to learn that her friend is on food stamps. The friend explains that now that she's retired and on a fixed income, the program "helps me eat right when money's tight."

"Millions of low-income seniors struggle to afford life's necessities like food and medicine," said Stacy Dean, vice president for food assistance policy at the left-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "Enrolling in SNAP can help ease that struggle."

Deficit hawks, however, don't want to see the government spend more money on food stamps at a time when lawmakers are trying to reduce the size of the federal government. The deficit for fiscal 2012 is projected to top $1 trillion for the fourth year in a row.

In fiscal 2011, the federal government spent more than $75 billion on food stamps, up from $34.6 billion at the end of fiscal 2008, according to the USDA.

"We ought to be looking for ways to save money in the program, not to encourage more people to use it," said Chris Edwards, an economist with the Cato Institute, a libertarian organization.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/index.htm (http://money.cnn.com/2012/06/25/news/economy/food-stamps-ads/index.htm)
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: BSB/Hero/Genius/MovieStar on September 18, 2012, 07:50:40 PM: I'm going to get personal.

I grew up with what most people would say was a silver spoon in my mouth. I lived on a 35 acre estate with a driveway that was 1/2 mile long and wound through the woods. It was very private. The area was less than 15 miles from Boston. In today's money that property is worth around $20,000,000. I was given every advantage, as were my siblings. We ate the best food. We lived in abundant comfort. We traveled as a family abroad. We went to private schools. We were sent to the best camps that gave us tremendous experiences from packing up into the Rockies on horseback to canoeing the wilds of Canada. All of us grew up driven. We all worked hard. We all knew that benefits like these are costly. You don't prompt people to succeed by starving them, giving them a poor education, giving them poor medical care. All you do is take from them all incentive to progress.

Wake up far right Republicans. You're living in a bitter little dream world.

BSB
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Plane on September 18, 2012, 08:12:45 PM: So for half of us , the farest share is zero percent??

How are we supposed to consider this sustainable?
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Plane on September 18, 2012, 08:16:25 PM: Quote from: BSB/Hero/Genius/MovieStar on September 18, 2012, 07:50:40 PM
I'm going to get personal.

I grew up with what most people would say was a silver spoon in my mouth.....................

BSB

We proles forgive you .
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: BSB/Hero/Genius/MovieStar on September 18, 2012, 09:13:26 PM: Only half of the 47% don't pay taxes due to little or no income. The other half get tax credits. Many of those credits were given by Ronald Reagan.

Thanks for forgiving me Plane, but the question is do I forgive you southern rednecks for screwing up this great country for soooooooooooooo long. The answer, no I don't.

BSB
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 18, 2012, 10:17:07 PM: Quote from: BSB/Hero/Genius/MovieStar on September 18, 2012, 07:50:40 PM
You don't prompt people to succeed by starving them

fantasy land
starving?....ha ha ha
yeah millions of immigrants pouring in to a near starving nation!
as if there were tons of people starving in the US in the 1950 and 1960's
before Gvt and welfare pimps were able to create a class of dependents
so they could comntinue to get elected by people wanting so called "free" goodies.

Quote from: BSB/Hero/Genius/MovieStar on September 18, 2012, 07:50:40 PM
giving them a poor education

Test scores were better before teachers became part of a vast robbery scheme that is todays teachers unions.
It's a disgrace that as the gvt spent more money that test scores have nosedived.
Test scores were better BEFORE the Dept of Education was created!

Quote from: BSB/Hero/Genius/MovieStar on September 18, 2012, 07:50:40 PM
giving them poor medical care

Many of the countries that millions of immigrants come from have "free" medical care.
But they risk life and limb to get where there isn't so called "free healthcare"
Most people can and should pay for their own healthcare.
Gvt healthcare rationing a/k.a. ObamaCare is poor medical care.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Plane on September 18, 2012, 11:02:19 PM: Quote from: BSB/Hero/Genius/MovieStar on September 18, 2012, 09:13:26 PM
Only half of the 47% don't pay taxes due to little or no income. The other half get tax credits. Many of those credits were given by Ronald Reagan.

Thanks for forgiving me Plane, but the question is do I forgive you southern rednecks for screwing up this great country for soooooooooooooo long. The answer, no I don't.

BSB

So you favor Northern seccession?
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 01:20:21 AM: Test scores were better BEFORE the Dept of Education was created!

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This is bogus: they did not even give the same tests.
Before the Dept of Education, most Blacks never made it past the 6th grade. There were no schools that taught beyond that grade in a lot of the rural South.

And of course, Blacks and poor rural Whites were not tested at all.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 01:25:23 AM: Many of the countries that millions of immigrants come from have "free" medical care.
But they risk life and limb to get where there isn't so called "free healthcare"
Most people can and should pay for their own healthcare.
Gvt healthcare rationing a/k.a. ObamaCare is poor medical care.

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That is not true. Immigrants mostly come from Latin America. Only Costa Rica has any sort of universal medical care, and Costa Rican immigrants are very rare.

Other countries are China, the Philippines and Korea. OnLY S. Korea has a national medical care plan and it is still in the process of development.

The ACA, "Obamacare" does not even exist yet: the program does not start until 2014.

And yes, it will start, because Romney is NOT going to be elected.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 01:40:34 AM: Mitt's 47% figure is not accurate. about 10.6% who do not pay taxes are elderly SS recipients. The first $25K of SS earnings are tax exempt. If one's house is paid for, one can live pretty well on $25K.

There are also combat troops, the blind, the crippled, the insane and half of the 47% are working poor who do pay SS and Medicare.

When a presidential candidate says "these people think of themselves as victims and it is not my job to concern myself with them" it is indeed probably accurate. But we certainly do not need some tycoon who thinks that he has no concern for nearly half of the population. Mutt should go screw himself.

Actually, I would say that he actually did so with what he revealed about himself in this video.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: BT on September 20, 2012, 02:35:13 AM: You do realize the video was edited and David Corn at MotherJones was forced to admit it. What is incidentally notable is that Jimmy Carter the 4th is the one who fed the story to David Corn.

And yes some of the 47% of those who pay no taxes are not required to pay them because of earnings or exceptions or source of the income. That's fine.

But riddle me this.

When you are on your deathbed, do you want a doctor from the public health center treating you or would you rather have a man who has a proven record of success with resurrecting sick patients and assembling teams from that 53% who are subject to classist derision.

Be honest. When the chips are down, who you gonna call. Dr. Feelgood or a seasoned surgeon.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: sirs on September 20, 2012, 04:21:31 AM: "At a private gathering, Romney told donors that Obama had a lock on the 47 percent of voters "who pay no income tax" and "believe the government has a responsibility to care for them." This was deeply offensive to people who pay no income tax and believe the government has a responsibility to care for them.

The only people shocked by Romney's statement of fact are those who would never vote Republican under any circumstances. Everyone else is saying, 'Is it really as high as 47 percent?'"
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 09:09:58 AM: When you are on your deathbed, do you want a doctor from the public health center treating you or would you rather have a man who has a proven record of success with resurrecting sick patients and assembling teams from that 53% who are subject to classist derision.
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When you are on your deathbed, it makes no difference: you are dead either way.

You ignore the third choice: you have NO doctor, because you cannot afford your "man with proven success".

Note that there are many countries where they have universal healthcare and people outlive us

It does not matter that the recording was edited: Mitt said what he believes: he does not give a shit about anyone who he doesn't think he can con into voting for his sorry tycoon ass.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: sirs on September 20, 2012, 10:55:27 AM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 09:09:58 AM
It does not matter that the recording was edited.

Boy....that's going to come back to bite you.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 12:48:16 PM: You cannot put raw footage online, because there are snaps and pops and coughs and all sort of visual and audio distractions. Every millimeter of recorded footage you see on any TV station is edited. Anyone who knows anything about video knows this.

Rawmoney himself admitted that the true gist of his statements were accurate.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: BT on September 20, 2012, 02:56:55 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 09:09:58 AM
When you are on your deathbed, do you want a doctor from the public health center treating you or would you rather have a man who has a proven record of success with resurrecting sick patients and assembling teams from that 53% who are subject to classist derision.
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When you are on your deathbed, it makes no difference: you are dead either way.

You ignore the third choice: you have NO doctor, because you cannot afford your "man with proven success".

Note that there are many countries where they have universal healthcare and people outlive us

It does not matter that the recording was edited: Mitt said what he believes: he does not give a shit about anyone who he doesn't think he can con into voting for his sorry tycoon ass.

This wins the total dodge award for the thread.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 03:40:45 PM: I have dodged NOTHING.

Romney is an unfeeling tycoon and a jerk , and has admitted his unfitness for the presidency.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: BT on September 20, 2012, 04:28:17 PM: How did he admit his unfitness?
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 06:14:44 PM: A president should wish to be the president of ALL the people. Romney believes that his only obligation is to those who vote for him. He is a true elitist. In addition, he has all the charisma of a wet dishrag, has revealed that he wants to enlarge the military, which always results in more, not fewer wars, and will allow that asshole Netanyahu to pursue his evil land and water grab fr as long as he is president.

In my book, he is at least as unqualified as Bob Dole and for many of the same reasons: he has sold out, he is an unpleasant man with no understanding of most of the people of this country, and will allow the oligarchy to grab off an even larger share of the wealth of this nation to the detriment of all the rest of us.

That said, he is still better than Cain, Santorem, Paul, Perry and the Newtster. A worse assemblage of louts has never vied for a nomination.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 20, 2012, 07:33:40 PM: (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y273/ItsZep/Media%20Logos/Canada-Free-Press-01_zpsc27710f6.jpg)

Truth is the Ultimate Gaffe

By Daniel Greenfield Thursday, September 20, 2012

Gaffe, a word that temporarily came to be associated with political misstatements, has returned to its origins as a social faux pas, such as saying something at a dinner party that everyone knows to be true, but that know mustn?t be said out loud.

The media is still doing its best to pretend that a gaffe is a mistake, when they are actually using it to mean the telling of inconvenient truths. Obama?s reign of error is a constellation of inconvenient truths, economic, security and legal, that cannot be discussed in public. The telling of these inconvenient truths has been met with cries of racism, no matter how little they have to do with race. Now they are being met with cries of ?Gaffe, Gaffe?, when Romney brings them up.

Did Obama skip presidential intelligence briefings on the most serious national security threats for a week before September 11? Did the Benghazi consulate lack basic security in a city where Islamist militias were running rampant and attacks on foreign diplomats had already taken place? Was the entire situation a result of an illegal war fought by Obama under false pretenses that armed Islamist militias and set them loose to persecute Libyan Sufis and seize half of Mali? Did Obama sleep through the beginning of the largest wave of attacks on America during his term while partying in Vegas?

Such inconvenient truths can only be met by accusing their teller of committing the horrible gaffe of politicizing the formerly apolitical and bipartisan arena of unilateral wars and the violence arising from them?an area that the Democrats decided was off-limits ever since they stopped criticizing such wars and began fighting them four years ago.

Has the Israeli-Palestinian peace process dragged on for twenty years without a single gleam of hope? The official position is that the Israelis, who brought in Arafat from the cold, gave him a state and pleaded with him to make a deal, are to blame. The inconvenient truth is that Arafat and his cronies never stopped the terror because it was the only thing they knew how to do and it was the only reason that anyone gave them the time of day. And the inconvenient truth is another gaffe.

In a state of national and international disaster, the worst possible gaffe is telling the truth about the state of affairs we are in. These gaffes disturb the party-goers signing up to work for non-profits and watching cheerful reports about the Arab Spring and the economic recovery while the ship sinks around them. And the party men and women react to it with the outraged demeanor of spoiled children.

A gaffe occurs when Mitt Romney talks about a real problem. It?s the real part, more than anything else, that is the problem. Reality has no place in the hysterical media feed from an imaginary world as unreal as anything that Communist apparatchiks or Nazi propagandists were broadcasting to their people in the dying days of their regimes.

Consume enough media and you come to understand that the people manufacturing it are not only hacks, they?re clueless hacks, who like their master in the White House, have absolutely no idea how to solve any of the country?s problems and no interest whatsoever in even bothering to try. They are mechanical men marching to an ideological beat and have no more interest in reality than do the denizens of a mental ward.

Los Angeles bans plastic bags to save the planet based on the appeal of a sitcom actress. New York?s Attorney General decriminalizes drugs while cracking down on prescription drug abuse with a statewide database. His rationale for this is that heroin is abused by poor minorities while painkillers are abused by rich white people. The Alabama ACLU sues the penal system for not allowing HIV inmates to work in the prison kitchen.

The left has long ago passed the point where they can be parodied. Any lunatic thing that you can imagine, they have already done or are planning to do. And compared to them the Soviet Union looks like a picture of credible management since its commissars reined in much of the insanity early on and at least made the occasional effort at applying their ideology to actual problems.

Our version of the Soviet Union is a ceaseless application of ideology whose only purpose is its application. There is no purpose to any of the three pieces of insanity listed above except the grad school exercise of a senseless ideological program chasing its own tail. Unlike the Soviet Union, there is no goal beyond the application of increasingly stifling programs of ideological conformity. There is no purpose except for the smug left to get even smugger at the expense of everyone else.

Men and women who are this ruined as policymakers, journalists and human beings are in no shape for an encounter with reality. When you?re crusading to ban plastic bags and include Islamist killers in the progressive camp, when your goal is to fight a truly progressive war on drugs and defend the rights of prisoners to unwillingly contract HIV from their servers, then reality is a foreign enemy to be fought tooth and nail.

The consensus of the last four years has been that we won?t discuss reality and in exchange we lose all our legal rights. It?s not exactly a great bargain, but the media which brokered it on our behalf, has done its best to dress it up as well as it can. Our economy is on its last legs, our national security is shot and the only reason we?re still running is that the country still has reserves of wealth that haven?t been plundered and the dregs of a counter-terror policy that carried over to these four years.

Mentioning any of this is another gaffe, another cold blast of reality blowing through rooms heated to Hawaiian standard temperatures. And the people in those rooms are as threatened by reality gaffes as schizophrenics are by the gnawing sense that the world outside is a very different place than the one in their skulls. And they react to it in the same way, with fear, hate and barely restrained violence.

It?s not just Muslims who react with hysterical violence when the power of their delusion is undermined by an outside world that cares nothing for the status of a 7th Century pedophile warlord, not any different than his ilk cluttering up Afghanistan today. The left?s response to anything that lowers the status of their prophet, stops just short of torching fried chicken places, especially if those places are also against gay marriage.

The streams of reporters gritting their teeth at the sight of Romney, a man whom, like McCain, they would have had no objection to if not for his temerity in insulting the Prophet Ibn Hussein, don?t quite explode into violence. Instead they angrily denounce the faux pas all of that talk about real world economics and foreign policy is. Gaffes are what they call that kind of talk. And no one at a party likes a gaffe.

During the Bush years, the media complained that the party circuit had died. It?s come roaring back in the age of Obama and no one is willing to give it up. The media is an extension of the party, not just the cocktail parties, but the party behind the party, the one that believes in revolution for the sake of revolution, and that turned a grunt community organizer into a senator and then the man on top.

All that power and madness crammed into ballrooms, chocking on canapes, stumbling past endless rows of champagne bottles through mirrored rooms, dim lighting and sweating waiters is not ready for a meeting with reality. And when that stiff refugee from the fifties corners them and starts talking about economics, about foreign policy, they push him away and cry, ?Gaffe, Gaffe.?

The gaffe is that the emperor is naked. The gaffe is that the smartest man in America, the technocrat in chief, stumbles onto the Letterman set, which looks almost as fake as he does, and can?t even name the size of the national debt. And who cares anyway except that it?s big and getting bigger. No one is supposed to even bring that up, harsh the mellow and bring the party down. That?s another gaffe right there.

The gaffe is that the same people who are running the country into the ground are also showing up every night on the news and every day on the sites to lie through their teeth about it. The difference between liberal media and liberal politicians has become a technical formality that mostly has to do with who signs their checks. The gaffe is that no one is allowed to remind the sweating throngs of the government-media complex that, while they party, the arrow has moved closer to midnight.

In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. But that?s a myth. In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is a walking hate crime. In the kingdom of the blind, sight is a crime and mentioning what you see is a gaffe. In a kingdom where the king doesn?t know how much he owes and doesn?t want to know, mentioning the amount is a gaffe. Showing the king and his advisers up as fools and knaves is an even bigger gaffe. And when the king decides to parade around in his invisible clothes?mentioning that he?s naked is the biggest gaffe of them all.

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49671 (http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/49671)
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: sirs on September 20, 2012, 09:14:39 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
You cannot put raw footage online

Of course you can

Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
because there are snaps and pops and coughs and all sort of visual and audio distractions.

Then what you do, IF THE GOAL IS TO BE OBJECTIVE, is provide a DISCLAIMER, RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING, that this is an edited tape. Simple as that

Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
Every millimeter of recorded footage you see on any TV station is edited.

Precisely....it's edited to frame the footage to form a certain POV that the editor wishes to convey. Anyone who knows anything about video knows this.

Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 12:48:16 PM
Rawmoney himself admitted that the true gist of his statements were accurate.

Yes, that 47% DON'T PAY ANY INCOME TAXES. If we want the complete "gist", we'd need to see the entire footage of video, not what the editor wanted us to see ::)
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: sirs on September 20, 2012, 09:42:16 PM: (http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/120918outrageRGB20120920071223.jpg)
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 10:48:07 PM: No one posts disclaimers that TV tapes are edited. I have never seen such a disclaimer and neither have you.

Romney's elitist tycoon attitude is crystal clear on this tape. It is just like all the other similar crap that he has oozed since the primaries began.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Plane on September 20, 2012, 10:51:26 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 09:09:58 AM

When you are on your deathbed, ignore the many countries where they have universal healthcare you are dead either way .

Not an exact quote. Minor unimportant editing may have been done for the sake of sound quality.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 10:58:54 PM: There is no sign or indication that Romney was edited to say what he did not say.

No one ever puts completely unedited videos on the air. You can see why from the unedited crap that amateurs put on YouTube.
Romney said what he said. His meaning was unchanged.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Plane on September 20, 2012, 11:04:33 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 10:58:54 PM
There is no sign or indication that Romney said what he said. His meaning was changed.
Some Scraps of speech may be discarded because they are unimportant..............

was edited to say what he did not say.Romney
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No one ever puts completely unedited videos on the air. You can see why from the unedited crap that amateurs put on YouTube.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: sirs on September 21, 2012, 02:15:28 AM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 20, 2012, 10:48:07 PM
No one posts disclaimers that TV tapes are edited. I have never seen such a disclaimer and neither have you.

This is not a TV show. This wasn't Dukes of Hazard or The West Wing. CONTEXT MATTERS in situations such as this, a real election. A disclaimer was absolutely needed.........IF the agenda was objectivity. Without the full video, in full context, its just as bad as that recent NBC effort in taking Romney out of context, with the whole WaWa's edited video. Or when an edited audio of Zimmerman was released making him appear more racist, than when the full audio demonstrated not in the least

Context matters ---> CREDIBILITY. Without the fomer, you lose the latter
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 21, 2012, 01:51:08 PM: No one EVER posts a disclaimer on the news. It is assumed by every inelligent being that the pops and clicks and harrumphs and mumbled phrases are edited out, and that was all that happened here. Romney has not said at any time that he was misquoted or his words were altered.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: sirs on September 22, 2012, 01:19:33 AM: The news doesn't show "secret" videos, without referencing that if its merely an excerpt, if that's indeed, what it was

Context matters ---> CREDIBILITY. Without the fomer, you lose the latter
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 22, 2012, 12:53:49 PM: No one ever puts a disclaimer on the news.

In any case, we all know that it was edited in some way.

That certainly does not mean that there is no truth whatever in it.

You are allowed to believe in magical pixie dust if you wish, but I will believe what I have seen and heard mkore than your interpretation of it. You ,after all, believe in magical pixie dust.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Plane on September 22, 2012, 09:30:03 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 22, 2012, 12:53:49 PM
No one ever puts a disclaimer on the news.

In any case, we all know that it was edited in some way.

That certainly does not mean that there is no truth whatever in it.

You are allowed to believe in magical pixie dust if you wish, but I will believe what I have seen and heard mkore than your interpretation of it. You ,after all, believe in magical pixie dust.

Pixie Dust is your strawman.
Credability is the real value of news coverage.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: BT on September 22, 2012, 10:17:28 PM: Quote from: Plane on September 22, 2012, 09:30:03 PM
Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 22, 2012, 12:53:49 PM
No one ever puts a disclaimer on the news.

In any case, we all know that it was edited in some way.

That certainly does not mean that there is no truth whatever in it.

You are allowed to believe in magical pixie dust if you wish, but I will believe what I have seen and heard mkore than your interpretation of it. You ,after all, believe in magical pixie dust.

Pixie Dust is your strawman.
Credability is the real value of news coverage.

And yet credibility is just another commodity put out to bid. No wonder 60% of viewers do not trust the MSM to be truthful in their reporting.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 22, 2012, 10:19:57 PM: You can listen to the tapes and decide for yourself.

It is pretty clear that the meaning was not edited.

It was a $50K a plate dinner, and there were servers opening wine bottles and bustling about and the usual sounds of eating and the servers talking to one another. It is clear what Romney was saying. Mostly, he was trying to sound like someone these fatcats might want to give huge amounts of money to.

Romney was sucking up to them.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: BT on September 22, 2012, 11:06:08 PM: Yeah if you are going to fund raise it is helpful to ask the people with funds.

I'm not sure why this bothers you when Mitt does it, but it is okee dokey if Barack does it.

Speaking to the 47%: The $105,000 champagne tower featured at Obama fundraiser hosted by Jay-Z and Beyonce

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/19/article-2205541-1517E3ED000005DC-132_634x505.jpg)
$105,000: The champagne tower at the Tower 40/40 Club that costs twice the average income of a US family

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205541/280-000-champagne-tower-Obama-fundraiser-Jay-Z-Beyonce-Manhattan-night-club.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2205541/280-000-champagne-tower-Obama-fundraiser-Jay-Z-Beyonce-Manhattan-night-club.html)
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Christians4LessGvt on September 23, 2012, 12:29:42 AM: Quote from: BT on September 22, 2012, 11:06:08 PM
I'm not sure why this bothers you when Mitt does it, but it is okee dokey if Barack does it.

Because liberalism in it's core is a fraud, based on lies and fear mongering.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: sirs on September 23, 2012, 03:45:00 AM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 22, 2012, 12:53:49 PM
You are allowed to believe in magical pixie dust if you wish, but I will believe what I have seen and heard mkore than your interpretation of it. You ,after all, believe in magical pixie dust.

See?...that's the difference. You're going by the pixie dust....making up your own predetermined interpretations based on the EDITED video, and screw any context. Weren't you one of those screaming bloody murder about how horrific it was for Breibert to have taken a video, and shown it out of context, regarding the Shirley Sherrod incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resignation_of_Shirley_Sherrod)

But now it's ok??
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 23, 2012, 01:03:55 PM: Weren't you one of those screaming bloody murder about how horrific it was for Breibert to have taken a video, and shown it out of context, regarding the Shirley Sherrod incident

Not that I recall. Here is a motto for you sirs "Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." And your mind is one of the teensiest I have ever seen running loose.

MissFitt Rawmoney is running for president. His attitude is that the 47% of the population that does not pay income taxes are a bunch of mooches that will never take responsibility for their lives is simply IGNORANT.

I worked and paid income taxes from the time I was 17, except when I was in college. I worked until I was 66, and retired and since my house and everything else was paid for, and I had no need of more than Social Security paid me, I paid no income taxes, because I had under $25K in income. I have had an IRA and contributed the max in it every year since it was established, and to a Roth IRA every year since that was established, and have a vested 403B from my employer. When the stock market was down, I did not withdraw anything, because I knew it would spring back and that every $100 would be $200 when it did. And that was precisely what happened between the low, in August 2009 and now.

So I saved my money and invested it. I am NOT irresponsible. I do NOT consider myself a victim. And I know from many friends that I am far from alone.

I paid into Social Security and Medicare and I am still paying Medicare premiums.

I am not irresponsible. I am not a victim. And Mittsfit is simply an ignoramus who does not use his head and get the facts before he opens his mouth. He is too careless and ignorant to be president.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: sirs on September 23, 2012, 01:13:51 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 23, 2012, 01:03:55 PM
Weren't you one of those screaming bloody murder about how horrific it was for Breibert to have taken a video, and shown it out of context, regarding the Shirley Sherrod incident

Not that I recall. Here is a motto for you sirs "Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." And your mind is one of the teensiest I have ever seen running loose.

Xo, with his league leading being wrong average, now reaching the coveted 99% mark

Xo (http://debategate.com/new3dhs/3dhs/cry-racism!-and-let-slip-the-dogs-of-politics/msg107023/#msg107023); Sherrod was more a victim here, because she sought to explain a long personal story of her dealings with racists and Whites, and Brietbart chose to quote her out of context deliberately, Probably more out of a desire to increase his viewership than out of racism. His motives are not better because they are based on personal greed than tribalism. He thrives on hate of any sort, the more sensational the better.

Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 23, 2012, 01:03:55 PM
MissFitt Rawmoney is running for president. His attitude is...

....What you, the lunatic left, is going to claim it is, REGARDLESS of any facts or context to the contrary, or whatever hypocritical double standards you must adhere to. Bad when out of context videos are portraying Democrats....perfectly ok, if its portraying Republicans badly
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 23, 2012, 02:43:18 PM: Romney is what he is: a tycoon with a gigantic ego and a desire to become the First Mormon President. Both Joseph Smith and George Romney failed at this, and that is what the Mittsfit is all about.

I have no idea who the Hell Sherrod is, but I know Beitbart is a vile propagandist who we are well rid of.

I am not irresponsible. I am no victim, nor do I consider myself to be one.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: sirs on September 23, 2012, 07:18:15 PM: Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 23, 2012, 02:43:18 PM
Romney is what he is: a tycoon with a gigantic ego and a desire to become the First Mormon President.

While you support a rich couple, both with gigantic egos, who hob nob with the uber rich, and a then desire to become the First Black President

Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 23, 2012, 02:43:18 PM
I have no idea who the Hell Sherrod is,

You sure as hell did, at the time. And you made it abundantly clear how wrong it was then for any video to be shown, OUT OF CONTEXT. But of course now, it's perfectly ok. In the dictionary, that's referred to as HYPOCRISY

Quote from: Xavier_Onassis on September 23, 2012, 02:43:18 PM
I am not irresponsible. I am no victim, nor do I consider myself to be one.

Good for you
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on September 24, 2012, 10:28:19 AM: Every president has always had rich friends.

That is lamentably necessary for raising funds and getting elected.
Title: Re: Romney video on the 47%. The real Romney revealed, at long last.
Post by: sirs on September 24, 2012, 12:24:25 PM: Doesn't refute their egos which are twice as big as Romney's or his desire to be the 1st Black President....not to mention more time golfing, vacationing, and campagining with his uber rich friends, than actually meeing with his job council or intel briefings