.....can expect just how bad things are gonna get. Really, I'm an optimist by nature, and unlike those inflcted with BDS, I accept Obama as our new President, and will give him a clean slate to judge his effectiveness as our pending CnC.
It does appear however, that Obama's agenda includes using OUR tax dollars (http://change.gov/agenda/homelandsecurity/) to pay for Arab schools, in the HOPE they'll teach their children we're really not all that bad. Excerpt; Barack Obama will establish a $2 billion Global Education Fund to work to eliminate the global education deficit and offer an alternative to extremist schools
And at the same time we're helping to fund Arab schools, he's also looking to unilaterally disarm this country, in the face of both China's & Russia's renewed military build up programs. Excerpt; Barack Obama will seek deep, verifiable reductions in all U.S. and Russian nuclear weapons and work with other nuclear powers to reduce global stockpiles dramatically by the end of his presidency. Question, HOW is he going to make Russia & Putin comply??
Add to that the apparent mandate we're all to undertake some form of community service (http://change.gov/agenda/service/). Excerpt; Obama and Biden will set a goal that all middle and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year....Obama and Biden will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that is worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year....Older Americans have a wide range of skills and knowledge to contribute. Obama and Biden will expand and improve programs that connect individuals over the age of 55 to quality volunteer opportunities
So....what if we or our children or our parents don't wish to participate in these "programs"? Goon squads next?
Please continue to worry about your twisted view of all the horrible things that will happen under Big O. It is sure to aggravate your ulcer and make you even less coherent than you are currently.
It's time to give it up. It's time to accept change for the face of it, and the sake of it all.
Keep positive, and give what you can to the promise of a new world order.
QuoteIt's time to give it up. It's time to accept change for the face of it, and the sake of it all.
Keep positive, and give what you can to the promise of a new world order.
Please.
The essence of democracy is free open discussion of issues, policies and programs.
Please continue to worry about your twisted view of all the horrible things that will happen under Big O. It is sure to aggravate your ulcer and make you even less coherent than you are currently.
Just curious, Knutey, why all the insults?
Is it that you do not hold peace in any part of your own being?
I have yet to hear one solid argument from you, without the anger and such a crazy need to "fight".
Please continue to worry about your twisted view of all the horrible things that will happen under Big O. It is sure to aggravate your ulcer and make you even less coherent than you are currently.
Just curious, Knutey, why all the insults?
Is it that you do not hold peace in any part of your own being?
I have yet to hear one solid argument from you, without the anger and such a crazy need to "fight".
I have just lived through the most horrible and demeaning period of American History where madmen like Bush & Cheney destroyed everything that was once worthwhile in America . They fought phoney wars and stole all they could steal from the real people for their rich bitch friends. The RW lunatics in here gave them support and succor. Big O may be able to heal the hatred that the RW hath rought , but it will be Herculean since they fucked everything up so incredibly bad. That is why- Capece?
I was exercising my freedom to openly discuss.
So....what if we or our children or our parents don't wish to participate in these "programs"? Goon squads next?
Sirs, It's time to give it up. It's time to accept change for the face of it, and the sake of it all. Keep positive, and give what you can to the promise of a new world order. I know I am going to try.
Jesus said; "Those who live by the sword, die by the sword". We must accept change for peace. All will end well...I have faith.
Sirs
If Obama wants to verifiablely disarm with the Russians how can than that be unilateral?
Iran has no weapons aimed at anyone we are "defending". Not yet and maybe not ever.
Sirs, If Obama wants to verifiablely disarm with the Russians how can than that be unilateral?
Israel can defend itself.
QuoteI was exercising my freedom to openly discuss.
Were you discussing or chastising? There is a difference.
It does appear however, that Obama's agenda includes using OUR tax dollars (http://change.gov/agenda/homelandsecurity/) to pay for Arab schools, in the HOPE they'll teach their children we're really not all that bad. Excerpt; Barack Obama will establish a $2 billion Global Education Fund to work to eliminate the global education deficit and offer an alternative to extremist schools
It's time to give it up. (sadly, we all , along with Sirs, must let the idea of a conservative to be in office and sadly for a long time to come--thus "give it up".
QuoteIt's time to give it up. (sadly, we all , along with Sirs, must let the idea of a conservative to be in office and sadly for a long time to come--thus "give it up".
I didn't see where Sirs said Obama would not be his president.
And I don't see why he should give up advocating conservative ideals.
And if it was to be a private conversation, perhaps it shouldn't have been posted in a public forum.
Are you getting back into that secret policing of one's post...AGAIN?
QuoteIt's time to give it up. (sadly, we all , along with Sirs, must let the idea of a conservative to be in office and sadly for a long time to come--thus "give it up".
I didn't see where Sirs said Obama would not be his president.
And I don't see why he should give up advocating conservative ideals.
And if it was to be a private conversation, perhaps it shouldn't have been posted in a public forum.
I am completely amazed at your concern for one benign post of mine. ??? My god, BT...have you lost it?
With all due respect.
Are you getting back into that secret policing of one's post...AGAIN?
You have a bad bad habit of throwing stones, Bill.
My god...If my response were to chastise SIRS...who gives a fuck!
Pardon me, but sometimes you push a person to a cursing boiling point!
I wasn't chastising Sirs post!!! ..THIS TIME. ;)
Give it up, BT...geezzus!
Obama promised me a tax cut.
Why would Iran choose to attack Poland? I have never heard that Poles and Iranians had any sort of hostilities towards one another.
How do you know this?
Do you have evidence that Iran DOES have weapons? If so, present it.
As you should know, one cannot prove a negative. Once more, Israelis and Jews with heebie-jeebies are being used to pep up the arms industry, as have been done many, many times before, at great cost and no benefit.
I realize Miss Henny, our tax dollars going all over the globe, the Middle East included. The issue here again, is the idea of sending more tax dollars (where we're having all kinds of economic issues here), to Arab schools in hopes of facilitating them to like us more, and thus not choose terrorist activities. There'll be no official U.S. observer verifying the curriculum or how our money is being spent. There will be no audits or oversight. and last time I looked, despite the multitudes of public schools and the gazillions of money we spend right here on public education, gangs still flourish in the urban centers of the country
And the point that you make in that we already send $$$, yet they still don't care too much for the U.S. simply reinforces the void in so much of liberal intervention via government mandate ideas, throw money (our TAX dollars) at a problem, and if it doesn't help.....throw more.
So no, it's not brilliant, when the problem still exists, and the notion is we simply need to spend more money....especially when its other people's money. If you or Obama could demonstrate ACTUAL validated reduction in the amount of terrorists being produced in the middle east by the monies provided so far, or at the very least, demonstrate that such a program would include U.S. oversight on the curriculums being presented to the children, then we might have someplace to start. But simply proclaiming that we're going to send more $$$$ and hope upon hope it'll be helpful in decreasing terrorist recruiting, misses the entire notion of responsibility and judgement
Why would Iran choose to attack Poland? I have never heard that Poles and Iranians had any sort of hostilities towards one another.
I guess you didn't look at the missile information that BT linked.
Here is the range of their longest flight missile, with it's largest payload (1,030kg) - note that Alaska is in range (everything light in color):
(http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?RANGE=9000km%40THR&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy)
And here is the range if they decreased the payload to 480kg (still a sizeable warhead):
(http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?RANGE=12000km%40THR&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy)
You'll note that YOU are in range of these Iranian missiles.
You have found some terriffic graphics , would it be possible to show these with the trajectorys that overfly Poland subtracted?
I know that is a lot to ask.
Nah .
I decided to be semi-retired and give back to the community
Good for you! Preferring power over money is a rare trait for a Repud.I bet you get some nice perks , tho. Huh?
QuoteGood for you! Preferring power over money is a rare trait for a Repud.I bet you get some nice perks , tho. Huh?
Little power, zero perks.
Sounds like a perfect job foe any Repud. It will keep you from doing any more damage
I realize Miss Henny, our tax dollars going all over the globe, the Middle East included. The issue here again, is the idea of sending more tax dollars (where we're having all kinds of economic issues here), to Arab schools in hopes of facilitating them to like us more, and thus not choose terrorist activities. There'll be no official U.S. observer verifying the curriculum or how our money is being spent. There will be no audits or oversight. and last time I looked, despite the multitudes of public schools and the gazillions of money we spend right here on public education, gangs still flourish in the urban centers of the country
And the point that you make in that we already send $$$, yet they still don't care too much for the U.S. simply reinforces the void in so much of liberal intervention via government mandate ideas, throw money (our TAX dollars) at a problem, and if it doesn't help.....throw more.
So no, it's not brilliant, when the problem still exists, and the notion is we simply need to spend more money....especially when its other people's money. If you or Obama could demonstrate ACTUAL validated reduction in the amount of terrorists being produced in the middle east by the monies provided so far, or at the very least, demonstrate that such a program would include U.S. oversight on the curriculums being presented to the children, then we might have someplace to start. But simply proclaiming that we're going to send more $$$$ and hope upon hope it'll be helpful in decreasing terrorist recruiting, misses the entire notion of responsibility and judgement
Sirs, if you just want to discuss the concern about where American money is going in a time of crisis, point well taken. But since foreign funding isn't going to stop under any president, let's discuss the issues at stake here.
First, in regards to the schools - how do you know there will be no audits or oversights?
And I disagree with your conclusion that "OK, we tried, we spent a fortune and nothing changed." How fast do you want those changes? And what can be more brilliant than educating the youth of a culture? This is the kind of program that takes years to see fruition.
But Sirs, seriously, everything starts with the youth. You can change the mind of adults so well, but you CAN give their kids something else to learn from.
Because if there were, we'd see such attached to such an agenda. Specifically to alleviate the concerns folks like myself have. For those who have no problem with where our tax dollars go, so long as "the rich" and "Big *insert massive corporation here*" are the ones being taxed to pay for it, it doesn;t matter if there is or isn't any oversight. I can thorougly understand why there wouldn't be, as it would be perceived as the U.S. meddling in another country's policies and education of their children. I can even see the cries of propoganda be wailed by not just people in thos countries, but the hard core leftists right here. Naaa, they'd prefer we send more $$$$, no strings attached, and then we hope and pray it's supposed to help
Could you alleviate my fears by linking me to the Omama site that provides the oversight and audits that are to be imposed prior to these billions more going overseas??
With all due respect Miss Henny, the speed at which I would have been expecting changes have been ongoing for decades, specifically here. More money, decreasing results. MORE money, continually decreasing results. Since the 60's, we've been increasing our education budgets, practically exponentially, while test scores continually decline. So, let's flip the question. When does one realize that simply adding more monies, while watching said programs continuously fail at their goals, connect? How long do you wait and what's the ceiling of other people's money do you apply?
Miss Henny, I HOPE you're not of the camp that if I don't support X for the children, I must be against the children. That tactic by both sides around here gets pretty sickening. If you don't support this massive ineffectuai, bureaucratic, bloated, inefficient program for "the children", or for "the enviroment", or for whatever, that supposedly means you're anti-children, anti-enviorment, anti-whatever. Yes, kids do learn, and I would hope that our monies aren't necessary to educate them that the U.S., isn't really all that bad. That's literally trying to bribe them. Show me some direct oversight on curriculum, including the efforts to truely demonize terrorist acts, then we can go from there
Because if there were, we'd see such attached to such an agenda. Specifically to alleviate the concerns folks like myself have. For those who have no problem with where our tax dollars go, so long as "the rich" and "Big *insert massive corporation here*" are the ones being taxed to pay for it, it doesn't matter if there is or isn't any oversight ....Could you alleviate my fears by linking me to the Omama site that provides the oversight and audits that are to be imposed prior to these billions more going overseas??
Sirs, I can't alleviate your fears; I'm not familiar with what Obama is proposing - I simply have knowledge that it's not a new idea, it is being done now, and there is oversight now.
And let me add that I am in total agreement with you that there has to be complete oversight no matter who has the idea or when it is put into place. But it seems unreasonable that a program will be continued and expanded by Obama with the specific intention to drop the oversight procedures.
But he also might be talking about expanding it into areas where it's never been before. There is a huge difference between putting an American school in Amman or Beirut versus putting one in the middle of Saudi Arabia. That would seriously require a lot MORE oversight than ever before.
The education system throughout the Middle East generally stands on its own academically without need for outside help. What is being proposed and already done is more of an intervention of culture. If you have embittered adults teaching young children, clearly, there is a good chance that they will pass those ideas right on down generation after generation. The idea is to set an example for the kids, have them learn about American culture in a positive light instead of with negative overtones and thus help to shape the ideals of a new generation.
Miss Henny, I HOPE you're not of the camp that if I don't support X for the children, I must be against the children. That tactic by both sides around here gets pretty sickening. If you don't support this massive ineffectuai, bureaucratic, bloated, inefficient program for "the children", or for "the enviroment", or for whatever, that supposedly means you're anti-children, anti-enviorment, anti-whatever. Yes, kids do learn, and I would hope that our monies aren't necessary to educate them that the U.S., isn't really all that bad. That's literally trying to bribe them. Show me some direct oversight on curriculum, including the efforts to truely demonize terrorist acts, then we can go from there
Sirs, quite seriously, I never meant to say or even imply such a thing. And I think you know me well enough - and for that matter I think I know YOU well enough - for the point to be moot. It's not my style.
The US will not and cannot introduce anything into the educational system of any country without the consent of the proper authorities of that country.
I've been privvy to the "its being done" part here in the U.S. for several decades now, and it's not getting better, as folks like Obama, continue to undermine any efforts, like impeding parent's choices who would cherish the chance to choose a better school to send their child to. To think we'd have even better success in Arab countries with simply increasing those $$$$, is pretty hard to swallow, I'm afraid. And without such alleviation of those fears, I'm not buying Obama's rhetoric, without some strict curiculum oversight and auditing.
I need to SEE it. I need to SEE the oversight being performed. I NEED to see the curiculums being placed on the children. I NEED to see an overt effort to demonize terrorist activities and the killing of innocent civilians, including other CHILDREN. But I'm sure heartened to see your support of the oversight needed :)
That all sounds good, (most liberal ideas do) but I need to see specifically what's being proposed, besides the vague intention of simply sending billions more of our tax dollars over
You're right it's not. My apologies
The educational base of education in most Islamic countries is the Madrassah, which has as its objective the memorization of the Koran, and using that memorization to teach Arabic. Even if the Koran is the Holy Word of Allah himself, rote memorization is a terribly inefficient and inept way of teaching anything.
So education in many Arabic nations is beyond awful. This is why so many Westerners are hired in the UAE to teach in the university and to prepare students to attend the university. It si also very hard to change, because it is, after all, based on Mohammad's declaration that the most important part of education is the rote memorization of the Koran in the original Arabic. Many see any change in the base of education as anti-Islamic.
Then they don't get the extra billions of our tax dollars. Not sure why this is such a hard concept
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It is a rigid concept. That is not always what works....I doubt that "billions" of dollars were ever proposed here.
Try reading the initial post, taken from Obama's own web site ---> Barack Obama will establish a $2 billion Global Education Fund to work to eliminate the global education deficit and offer an alternative to extremist schools
The US spends less on foreign aid per capita than most, if not all, of the big eight economic powers, ...How do you figure that?
The US spends less on foreign aid per capita than most, if not all, of the big eight economic powers,
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The US spends less on foreign aid per capita than most, if not all, of the big eight economic powers,
Country Financial Aid
$M per 100k France 15.417 Germany 14.920 Italy 6.580 Japan 6.035 UK 16.271 US 7.117 Canada 11.733
I wouldn't have guessed, where did you find that?
Does this include non-government?
But the United ARAB Emirates, Qatar and also Arabic countries, and Egypt & Syria used to call themselves the United ARAB Republic. Jordan is officially the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, and the Hashemites are an Arab people. I think Libya calls itself the Libyan ARAB Jamahurayyat. Not sure of the last word's spelling, but it means republic, i.e. no monarchy. I realize the term Arabic is linked to the religion, and is therefore not always used as precisely as the Germans use the word German or the Swedes use the word Swedish.
My point was that the traditional system that is used to teach a majority of Muslims was largely based in memorization in a language spoken by virtually none of the locals. That is a tremendous handicap.
Iran, being Shiite, has an entirely different educational tradition, which still retains some of the reforms made under the Shah.
Jamahirayyat comes from Jamahiriya, which means ruled by the people, or masses, in the literal Arabic translation. Qaddafi changed the word from the original meaning which started with "jum" instead of "jam." "Jum" means public; "Jam" indicates people, or masses.
(Just for the sake of trivia, when you see the words Juma and Madrassa together, it means public school.)