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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: BT on November 26, 2006, 08:02:58 PM
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Asked about his opposition to the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy toward gay service men and women, Frank, one of the few openly gay members of the House, said he would fight discrimination but that issue was "not what we're going to begin with."
"Democrats like winning elections," said Rep. John Dingell of Michigan, the incoming chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee and the longest serving member of the House.
"We want to win elections and we're going to do our best to do so," he said.
"This doesn't mean to get into any extreme positions on any matter. We'll do what makes good sense."
Rep. Charles Rangel of New York, who is about to become chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee which handles tax matters, said, "We don't want really a fight with the president. What we want to do is to prove we can govern for the next two years."
Tsk Tsk.
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So what is your complaint, exactly?
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I don't have any complaints.
I'm just surprised that democrats who voted for these guys, don't.
Governing towards the middle is so DLC, you know.
And we all know DLC is just another name for repub-lite.
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I don't have any complaints.
I'm just surprised that democrats who voted for these guys, don't.
Governing towards the middle is so DLC, you know.
And we all know DLC is just another name for repub-lite.
I have complaints.
If they don't enact some kind of lobbying reform asap, I'm going to be working to throw them all out.
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Asked about his opposition to the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy toward gay service men and women, Frank, one of the few openly gay members of the House, said he would fight discrimination but that issue was "not what we're going to begin with."
"Democrats like winning elections," said Rep. John Dingell of Michigan, the incoming chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee and the longest serving member of the House.
"We want to win elections and we're going to do our best to do so," he said.
"This doesn't mean to get into any extreme positions on any matter. We'll do what makes good sense."
Rep. Charles Rangel of New York, who is about to become chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee which handles tax matters, said, "We don't want really a fight with the president. What we want to do is to prove we can govern for the next two years."
Tsk Tsk.
I know it is inconceivable to you that anyone would care about governing instead of stealing the treasury and cutting taxes, but apparently some, including Rangel, do . I am not 100% thrilled with this attitude, but it beats raping, pillaging and looting under the cover of ideology like Repubs .
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I am not 100% thrilled with this attitude, but it beats raping, pillaging and looting under the cover of ideology like Repubs .
as long as you are comfortable being decieved, who am i to blow against the wind.
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I am not 100% thrilled with this attitude, but it beats raping, pillaging and looting under the cover of ideology like Repubs .
as long as you are comfortable being decieved, who am i to blow against the wind.
It isnt moi who is deceived. I never thought these guys were all that great. I only wanted the complete fascists that were completely in power to have some restraint on their lunacy. It is you that believes the lying lunacy because of mere tax cuts.
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I am not 100% thrilled with this attitude, but it beats raping, pillaging and looting under the cover of ideology like Repubs .
as long as you are comfortable being decieved, who am i to blow against the wind.
It isnt moi who is deceived. I never thought these guys were all that great. I only wanted the complete fascists that were completely in power to have some restraint on their lunacy. It is you that believes the lying lunacy because of mere tax cuts.
This doesn't seem like a bad attitude , the disipline of one party is the other party , that is how we have been doing it for a long time.
All we are seeing here is that the Democrats have no real plan of their own , up till now they haved not needed one.
Now they do need one , what will it be?
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It isnt moi who is deceived. I never thought these guys were all that great.
So you voted "against" instead of "for".
And as Plane asked, now what?
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This is sophistry at its worst. Pure bullshit. Barney Frank is as obligated to make "don't ask, don't tell" his first order of business as Ronald Reagan was obligated to leave the Marines in Beirut. Just because YOUR shunted expectations of what should be done don't "govern" the situation, so too an able and serious politician knows how to make sound decisions on policy on the basis of sound politics. At least Frank won't have to mount the "equivalent" of the invasion of Granada to find that political cover. Indeed, why did not GW Bush, upon his ascension, push an anti-abortion law such as was just defeated in South Dakota? He's a sellout, right?
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If Barney Frank is not in favor of full rights for gay people, by default a traitor to his kind, so be it.
Fortunately he is out of the closet else certain rabid left wing pundits might feel obligated to out his homosexuality and obvious hyprocrisy.
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Comments not worthy of this board, IMHO.
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It isnt moi who is deceived. I never thought these guys were all that great.
So you voted "against" instead of "for".
And as Plane asked, now what?
I do my best to help them come around, that's what. At least I voted against murder , mayhem and National BKruptcy. That is good enough for now. I actually consifer myself a moderate you know. It is you guys that are the wingnuts.
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Comments not worthy of this board, IMHO.
Thanks for sharing.
When you have time look up the phrase "tongue in cheek" just in case my post whooshed over your head.
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All we are seeing here is that the Democrats have no real plan of their own , up till now they haved not needed one. Now they do need one , what will it be?
(http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/TownHall/Car/b/superpower.jpg)
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All we are seeing here is that the Democrats have no real plan of their own , up till now they haved not needed one. Now they do need one , what will it be?
(http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/TownHall/Car/b/superpower.jpg)
This cartoon really represents the weakling the Repubs have made US, with their warmongering and economic stupidity , yaknow.
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This cartoon really represents the weakling the Repubs have made US, with their warmongering and economic stupidity , yaknow.
Naaa, not really. Just a good illustration of what this country gets to look forward to
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This cartoon really represents the weakling the Repubs have made US, with their warmongering and economic stupidity , yaknow.
Naaa, not really. Just a good illustration of what this country gets to look forward to
Yeah, sirs likes it when the super rich get richer and everyone else gets poorer. That means that the economy is humming along nicely. (for the super rich).
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Yeah, sirs likes it when the super rich get richer and everyone else gets poorer. That means that the economy is humming along nicely. (for the super rich).
Or more accurately, when the rich get richer, the middle class move to the rich class (whatever that's supposed to mean), and the poor move to the middle class, with the goal of reaching the "rich class". That's what "sirs likes" & what it means for the economy to be humming nicely
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Yeah, sirs likes it when the super rich get richer and everyone else gets poorer. That means that the economy is humming along nicely. (for the super rich).
Or more accurately, when the rich get richer, the middle class move to the rich class (whatever that's supposed to mean), and the poor move to the middle class, with the goal of reaching the "rich class". That's what "sirs likes" & what it means for the economy to be humming nicely
Then you must be very unhappy since the rich have gotten richer and every other class has gotten poorer.
But that's over in Brassreality not in sun shines out Rush's assworld.
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"... every other class has gotten poorer."
I am pretty sure that this isn not true at all , also it is not how the song goes .
The rich get richer and the poor get ...children..
In the mean time , in between time
Ain't we got fun.
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Or more accurately, when the rich get richer, the middle class move to the rich class (whatever that's supposed to mean), and the poor move to the middle class, with the goal of reaching the "rich class". That's what "sirs likes" & what it means for the economy to be humming nicely
Then you must be very unhappy since the rich have gotten richer and every other class has gotten poorer.
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Actually, EVERYONE's gotten richer, simply that "the super rich" get richer faster, and thus skew your scale. It also doesn't ignore the folks that transition from the lower poor classes to the middle & upper classes. But please, continue fantasizing the evils of Capitalism and those evil uber rich folk like Soros......ooops, I mean Buffett......oooops
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Or more accurately, when the rich get richer, the middle class move to the rich class (whatever that's supposed to mean), and the poor move to the middle class, with the goal of reaching the "rich class". That's what "sirs likes" & what it means for the economy to be humming nicely
Then you must be very unhappy since the rich have gotten richer and every other class has gotten poorer.
Actually, EVERYONE's gotten richer, simply that "the super rich" get richer faster, and thus skew your scale. It also doesn't ignore the folks that transition from the lower poor classes to the middle & upper classes. But please, continue fantasizing the evils of Capitalism and those evil uber rich folk like Soros......ooops, I mean Buffett......oooops
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And don't forget uber liberal BEN STEIN.
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And don't forget uber liberal BEN STEIN.
Never, though last time I checked I don't think he was a "liberal". Another error on your part? It's hard to keep track of all of them
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And don't forget uber liberal BEN STEIN.
Never, though last time I checked I don't think he was a "liberal". Another error on your part? It's hard to keep track of all of them
Stein wrote that article about Buffet and how the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes.
Perhaps this escaped your notice because you had your head stuck somewhere.
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Stein wrote that article about Buffet and how the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes. Perhaps this escaped your notice because you had your head stuck somewhere.
Yea, I saw the article. so? He's absolutely entitled to his opinion. Conservatives are wrong many a time. Or so I'm told. Nor does it rebutt the position that everyone is getting richer, not just the uber-rich. Starting to turn rabid again?
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"Stein wrote that article about Buffet and how the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes."
And then I pointed out that the only part of the tax structure that forces this to happen is the SS tax.
But you will not agree with me that the SS is a bad thing so I am unclear what you do want.
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