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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Xavier_Onassis on August 03, 2015, 09:32:17 AM
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Because a 90 year old man is trying to game the system, right?
But here is the real problem:
But after the difficulty he had this weekend getting a proper ID card, Wright, 90, expressed concern that such problems could deter others from voting and stifle turnout. After spending much of his life fighting to make it easier to vote, the Democratic Party icon said he is troubled by what he’s seeing happen under the state’s new voter ID law.
“I earnestly hope these unduly stringent requirements on voters won’t dramatically reduce the number of people who vote,” Wright told the Star-Telegram. “I think they will reduce the number to some extent.”
Wright and his assistant, Norma Ritchson, went to the DPS office on Woodway Drive to get a State of Texas Election Identification Certificate. Wright said he realized earlier in the week that the photo identifications he had — a Texas driver’s license that expired in 2010 and a TCU faculty ID — do not satisfy requirements of the voter ID law, enacted in 2011 by the Legislature. DPS officials concurred.
Not everyone will have the resources, or knowledge, that Wright has to overcome these obstacles. And Wright puts it very well:
We want to make sure that every eligible Texan who wants to cast a ballot can,” Pierce said. “We want to help any Texan who needs additional information."
Wright, who said he has voted in every election since 1944, lamented that such help is called for.
“From my youth I have tried to expand the elections,” Wright said. “I pushed to abolish the poll tax. I was the first to come out for lowering the voting age to 18.”
The state put up these obstacles in the first place- now they are 'concerned' to make sure everyone can overcome them. They have 'solved' non-existent voter fraud problems by creating actual problems.
Why should the fact that his driver's license has expired? How does that change who he is?
The Republican'ts in the legislature are to blame for this.
Who else?
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And this wouldn't effect ANY political party person, with an expired driver's license?? Lesson learned, don't let your Driver's license expire, regardless of what party you lean towards
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You don't need a drivers license to vote in Texas. You can also use:
A Texas Election Identification Certificate
A Texas personal identification card
A Texas concealed handgun license
US miliary ID with photograph
US citizenship certificate with photograph
US passport
The ID used must be current or not have expired more than 60 days before being presented.
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And how hard is any of that? Listening to xo and this 90year old Democrat, you'd think you had to pass a kidney stone to get a voter ID card
Lesson learned, don't let ANY of your valid ID forms expire, regardless of what party you lean towards
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It's bullshit. How does an expired driver's license prove you are not who you always were.
Have you ever seen a "US citizenship certificate with photo"?
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Don't need one....I have a Driver's license.....THAT I KEEP CURRENT. You only have to prove you are who you say you are to vote. And that's they way it should be.
Or are you trying to claim that if Cu4's license were to expire, by his virtue of being a Republican, they'd let him vote anyways??
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Of course, a Texas concealed handgun license would suffice...
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Every 90 years old man needs a concealed handgun.
Apparently Jim Wright has reached 90 without one, but you just never know.
My guess is that he does not have an updated driver's license because he does not drive. He is 90.
What the Hell is a "US citizenship certificate with a photo"?
Have you ever seen one? Have you ever HEARD of one?
Apparently a photo student ID from any of the many Texas universities is not good enough. I have seen these.
It is ironic that the well-known former speaker of the US House of Representatives is not qualified to vote.
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My Father in law is 91, and he drives, with a valid license. And you don't have to have a weapon in order to get a photo ID, as there are other, pretty simple means. Point being, there's no disenfranchisement, as any issue in getting a photo ID crosses all party lines
Lesson learned when voting..... don't let ANY of your valid ID forms expire, regardless of what party you lean towards
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As I reread what X posted, I never did see where he mentioned what the difficulty was. Was he harrassed? Not given proper assistance with any physical infirmities he might have had? What was it, exactly, that made him and/or his assistant feel unduly put out?
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oh boooh whoooo
look at all the things you need a photo ID for....
it must be racism that causes this!
You need an photo ID to open a bank account, or to apply for a job to fill that bank account.
You also need an ID to file for unemployment, and to apply for welfare, and Medicaid, and food stamps.
You need a photo ID to apply for Social Security.
You need a photo ID buy a home, and apply for a mortgage, or to rent a home.
You need a photo ID to drive a car, you need one to buy a new car, to buy a used car, heck, you even need one to rent a car.
You need a photo ID to get on an airplane, and you need one to get married
You need a photo ID to buy a gun, and to apply for a hunting license and a fishing license
You need a photo ID to to buy certain kinds of cold medicine, and you need one to donate blood.
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As I reread what X posted, I never did see where he mentioned what the difficulty was. Was he harrassed? Not given proper assistance with any physical infirmities he might have had? What was it, exactly, that made him and/or his assistant feel unduly put out?
The implication is that other people may not be "smart enough" to figure out what they might have to do, if in a similar circumstance as an expired driver's license, when readying themselves to vote. They may not have the where-with-all to figure it out, and thus just not go thru the hassle.........ergo, they've been disenfranchised
The more egregious implication is the ongoing inferrence that minorities just aren't as smart as caucasion folk
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I would say it is more than implied , it is assumed to be the case .
The simpler and cheaper and much more useful Democratic response would be to energize and mobilize their community , use their considerable resources and manpower to ensure that everyone who had ever registered as a Dem was visited by a volunteer who could drive them down to the offices where IDs are issued , and PAY THE COST!
In less than a month they would run out of Democrats to serve this way and would have to start hauling in Republican voters who do not have ID IF THEY COULD FIND ONE.
This would not only defeat any voter suppression that voter ID might ever cause , but it would be good for Democratic morale and would make life easier for everyone that they helped get good ID for , lacking ID is much more debilitating than just making it hard to vote.
Lacking a good ID is hard to cope with for those who live in civilization, the person who gets served to have an ID after not having one will probably enjoy an improvement in standard of living.
The people thus served will probably vote gratefully Democratic, but that is fine with me as long as it is just once per.
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I just thought that this was ironic.
I would wager that Jim Wright is very rarely, if ever, asked for ID.
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I just thought that this was ironic.
I would wager that Jim Wright is very rarely, if ever, asked for ID.
If I were cashing Jim Wrights check.
I would want to see Jim Wrights ID.
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Exactly
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I think an expired photo ID drivers license would suffice, if the photo looked like him.
Black people and Hispanics are more likely to be poor, less likely to drive a car, change residences much more often, and have the sort of job where taking a day off gets you fired. The Republican'ts know this and use it to their advantage to diminish the possibility that they will have a valid ID. When I take the bus downtown here in Miami, I am usually the only White Anglo person on the bus. The only one of as many as 50 passengers.
This is a case of using statistical data about race and ethnicity to prevent Democrats from voting. They have had numerous meetings in which this was discussed and planned. Every ruse that will diminish the size of the Democrats voting in South Florida is used.
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although i really like the idea of doing everything possible to prevent voter fraud
i have questioned for years how effective photo-ID's will be in preventing illegals from voting
don't millions of illegals have drivers licenses?
and driver's licenses do not address citizenship do they?
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The driver's licenses state the nationality of the driver.
If the states refused to give driver's licenses, then illegals will drive illegally, and without a license, they cannot buy insurance. They also tend to not register the vehicle in their name. If they have a wreck, they flee. If the car is too badly damaged, they flee on foot.
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I think an expired photo ID drivers license would suffice, if the photo looked like him.
What you think and what's legal are 2 very different things. Lesson learned....if you want to make sure your vote counts, don't let any of your photo ID's expire. Period. Applies to all parties, all ages
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Please try to keep up. I was discussing with Plane what I would personally accept as an ID from Jim Wright in the improbable event that I was asked to cash a check from him. I am not obliged to assume the same requirements of the Texas Legislature of Highly illogical dickheads.
I think it is pretty clear that the Texas legislature is an assemblage with a high number of ratbag right wing stooges, dorks and outright pricks. If I had the misfortune to live in Texas, I would be sure to make sure I could vote the Republican'ts in their number out of office.
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Please try to keep up....THIS IS A DEBATE FORUM.....you interjected the nonense of this Democrat supposedly being disenfranchised, when he was going to vote. What you would accept as validation of who is is, is irrelevent. It's what the state requires to vote, and a photo id is the MINIMUM that any state should require to something so important as voting.
What you did expose for all to see is the ongoing belief that minorities are just not smart enough to figure things out. They need the help of......lemme guess, more Government, because they just can't manage it themselves
Lesson learned, if you want your vote to count, don't let any of your legal photo ID's expire...which APPLIES TO ALL PARTIES, ALL AGES, AND ALL RACES.
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I think an expired photo ID drivers license would suffice, if the photo looked like him.
Black people and Hispanics are more likely to be poor, less likely to drive a car, change residences much more often, and have the sort of job where taking a day off gets you fired. The Republican'ts know this and use it to their advantage to diminish the possibility that they will have a valid ID. When I take the bus downtown here in Miami, I am usually the only White Anglo person on the bus. The only one of as many as 50 passengers.
This is a case of using statistical data about race and ethnicity to prevent Democrats from voting. They have had numerous meetings in which this was discussed and planned. Every ruse that will diminish the size of the Democrats voting in South Florida is used.
This is just so easy to correct.
About one percent of Hillary Clinton's war chest would pay the cost to get an ID for every one of them.
I was at two banks today , do you know what I had to present both times?
Photo ID .
Why be satisfied with having so many Democrats hamstrung in banking , and a dozen other good uses for positive ID?
No , I call BS on the whole idea.
There is a real Democratic crutch in cheating , and acting as if measures that prevent cheating are harm exclusively to Democrats , is Democrats insulting Democrats.
If it really bothers you that ID -less people are disenfranchised , find one , offer to carry him to the DMV and pay the cost to reinfranchise him.
We can't be talking about a lot of people , I would bet it is less than an hundred in a city like Miami, this problem could be solved in an afternoon with less effort than a typical phone survey.
Find those hundred people and help them , not just to vote , but to cash checks , find employment , register for government programs for financial assistance , enroll in schools and open bank accounts.
If this is important at all hunt them down and don't let one of them get away , drag them in to the various offices that produce suitable documents and force them to get on the grid and join the matrix.
Republicans are not going to do this , as far as I know there is not one Republican in this Nation that has no ID.
We have all taken care of this for ourselves thank you.