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Re: Bin Laden Dead!
« Reply #45 on: May 02, 2011, 09:09:01 PM »
Although I give Obama credit for killing Osama
I was thinking today and sorta laughing about
how you just know.....ya just know that if Bush
were still president, the media would be asking
if we had a warrant for Bin Laden's arrest,
if it violated international law, if the death could
have been avoided, if by killing him did we lose
valuable intelligence, etc. And we'd be told that the
death was mostly symbolic, that Bin Laden was a
man of yesterday, no longer a threat, it was a
waste of time and money, etc....

lol....hell.....you just know it!
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Re: Bin Laden Dead!
« Reply #46 on: May 02, 2011, 11:23:11 PM »
the msm are just weenies.

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« Reply #47 on: May 02, 2011, 11:53:18 PM »
I think complaining about what you assume might happen to be rather a waste of time.
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Re: Bin Laden Dead!
« Reply #48 on: May 03, 2011, 12:46:18 AM »

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« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2011, 12:53:03 AM »
Miss Henny, I didn't receive any phone calls or e-mailings, but I share the concern that prompted them.  The snake's head has been cut off.  At least the biggest head.  It's going to flail now, try to demonstrate that they are "just fine".  I fear several small terrorist acts will be attempted, with possible death as a result of their acts.  Likely not massive in any way, but AlQeada has been dealt a huge PR & operations blow.  They're gonna want to strike.  Please watch over yourself and your loved ones.  Keep a vigilant eye

Thanks Sirs, and I will.

Maybe you can answer this, with some experience to the region.  If we have been hunting Bin Laden all this time, him fleeing Afghanistan into Pakistan, and we supposedly have been working with the Pakistani Government on trying to locate his hole in the side of a mountain, how is it he's killed within this apparent massive complex/mansion, deep in the heart of Islamabad, downtown central Pakistan?  Was their Government that blinded to his whereabouts.........or that helpful to him?

I think it is very possible that they were unaware. First, as I understand there is no way to effectively secure the entire border region, so coming through the mountainous route covered/disguised was probably no problem at all.

Then, in the neighborhood - the houses of the affluent, whether Pakistan or Jordan or Saudi or Iran are always completely walled off. The reason being so the women can work/relax in their gardens uncovered. If they have a pool, the women can swim. Etc. We have neighbors living like that - they live in fortresses. What I saw of the pictures of this house, it was the same idea. Then, on top of that, there will be guest areas of the house where guests can sit and socialize... and then there are family areas where uncovered women can hang out unseen. No guest will ever enter those areas. So, IMO, it is entirely reasonable to think that he could have been hanging out there and no one ever knew. Although I would suspect that a fairly large group had to have been in on it. But the government? Not necessarily.

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« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2011, 01:34:16 AM »
Although I give Obama credit for killing Osama
I was thinking today and sorta laughing about
how you just know.....ya just know that if Bush
were still president, the media would be asking
if we had a warrant for Bin Laden's arrest,
if it violated international law, if the death could
have been avoided, if by killing him did we lose
valuable intelligence, etc. And we'd be told that the
death was mostly symbolic, that Bin Laden was a
man of yesterday, no longer a threat, it was a
waste of time and money, etc....

lol....hell.....you just know it!


No no no no C.  What you'd hear, everywhere is that Bush had killed Bin Laden long ago, and brought out his "death" at an opportunistic & beneficial political time

Which is funny, because I heard a parade of MSM pundits/reporters declaring precisely how this benefits Obama, politically for 2012.  With the kicker being, it really doesn't.  It'll be a small, and justifyable boost now, and for a short period of time, but soon, people will start paying attention, once again, to the current state of the economy, unemployment, and the debt.
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« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2011, 01:39:06 AM »
Maybe you can answer this, with some experience to the region.  If we have been hunting Bin Laden all this time, him fleeing Afghanistan into Pakistan, and we supposedly have been working with the Pakistani Government on trying to locate his hole in the side of a mountain, how is it he's killed within this apparent massive complex/mansion, deep in the heart of Islamabad, downtown central Pakistan?  Was their Government that blinded to his whereabouts.........or that helpful to him?

I think it is very possible that they were unaware. First, as I understand there is no way to effectively secure the entire border region, so coming through the mountainous route covered/disguised was probably no problem at all.

Then, in the neighborhood - the houses of the affluent, whether Pakistan or Jordan or Saudi or Iran are always completely walled off. The reason being so the women can work/relax in their gardens uncovered. If they have a pool, the women can swim. Etc. We have neighbors living like that - they live in fortresses. What I saw of the pictures of this house, it was the same idea. Then, on top of that, there will be guest areas of the house where guests can sit and socialize... and then there are family areas where uncovered women can hang out unseen. No guest will ever enter those areas. So, IMO, it is entirely reasonable to think that he could have been hanging out there and no one ever knew. Although I would suspect that a fairly large group had to have been in on it. But the government? Not necessarily.


see, that's why I needed to ask you, personally about this.  I had no idea the idea behind the high walls of affluent neighborhoods helping to shelter the women, and families, away from any view, outside of invited guests.  Thanks    8)
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« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2011, 05:27:43 AM »
see, that's why I needed to ask you, personally about this.  I had no idea the idea behind the high walls of affluent neighborhoods helping to shelter the women, and families, away from any view, outside of invited guests.  Thanks    8)

Here's a diagram of the compound:


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« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2011, 09:02:00 AM »
40 Incredibly Stupid Facebook Reactions to Osama's Death
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/40-incredibly-dumb-facebook-reactions-to-osama-bin

My personal fav: "I bet Osama is pissed he came out of hiding to watch the Royal Wedding."

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Re: Bin Laden Dead!
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2011, 10:08:17 AM »
hey Henny....what is your perspective on the quick burial at sea?

whats the vibe on the street in the arab world...or does it even really matter?

do you think it was best from Obama's point of view to bring a quick closure?

sure it fuels conspiracy but wouldn't a big state funeral somewhere had been worse?

what are your thoughts on the quick burial at sea?

and what if anything would you have done differently concerning body disposal?
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« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2011, 10:23:03 AM »
hey Henny....what is your perspective on the quick burial at sea?

whats the vibe on the street in the arab world...or does it even really matter?

do you think it was best from Obama's point of view to bring a quick closure?

sure it fuels conspiracy but wouldn't a big state funeral somewhere had been worse?

what are your thoughts on the quick burial at sea?

and what if anything would you have done differently concerning body disposal?
The vibe on the Arab street is complete denial and disbelief, people pissed off because news they consider much more important (Syria, Yemen, Libya) is being ignored even on Jazeera Arabic station. And there are some people who are mourning, sorry to say.

I personally am uncomfortable with it, although I consent that the idea that his burial place becoming a shrine was a good reason to do it. Although it is important to note that Sunni Muslims do not make saints of their dead or revere them - it would be very much a Shia thing.

The thing is, all of us are waiting for some proof. A picture that isn't doctored. Something. Even though I 100% believe it happened, I still want to see something. I think the whole world does. Burial at sea, regardless of the good reasons behind it, fueled the idea that it was faked.

Overwhelmingly, too, Muslim scholars are coming out and saying that while a burial at sea is permissable under extraordinary circumstances, this was not one of those circumstances. A Muslim should be buried with their head point to Mecca.

So if it were my call, I would have handed the body over to a friendly Muslim country - preferably Saudi - to bury the body in secrecy and then assure the Muslim world that it was handled with proper respect.

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Re: Bin Laden Dead!
« Reply #56 on: May 03, 2011, 10:59:00 AM »
So if it were my call, I would have handed the body over to a friendly Muslim country - preferably Saudi - to bury the body in secrecy and then assure the Muslim world that it was handled with proper respect.

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According to the news, they did offer the body to the Saudis,and they did not want it.
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Re: Bin Laden Dead!
« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2011, 11:19:36 AM »
According to the news

yeah sure you mean one of the news people under the control of the WH? I moron like you could call themselves a newsman!

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« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2011, 12:50:55 PM »
So if it were my call, I would have handed the body over to a friendly Muslim country - preferably Saudi - to bury the body in secrecy and then assure the Muslim world that it was handled with proper respect.

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According to the news, they did offer the body to the Saudis,and they did not want it.

In that case, I don't know what other country could take the responsibility and not be accused of messing it up. So burial at sea was the only viable choice.

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« Reply #59 on: May 03, 2011, 12:56:29 PM »
All the information about this mission comes from the people who carried it out. So all the news comes from them as well.
I fail to see why they should lie about something like this. If they did, the truth would come out eventually.

If you are going to say that nothing that the news reports is true, then why even believe that the whole story was false?

It seems logical to me to have a burial at sea, particularly if the Saudis would not take OBL.

As I understand it, burial in the ground and burial at sea are the only two options given in the Koran, or at least given by custom.

Burning bodies and leaving them for the vultures are practices of Hindis and Farsis, both of whom are infidels.
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