Wow, what a horrible day for McCain, the Right

[Xavier_Onassis]

The obligation of the congressperson is to vote for what they think is the good of the country or what their constituents tell them. Anyone who votes against a bill because some speech offended their ego is simply an ass. That would apply to any party.

This stuff about how 12 Republicans changed their vote, if indeed is true, indicates that 12 Republicans are asses.

[Knutey]

The fact that the fool bill did not pass was more the fault of the Republicans than th Democrats. You should be blaming them.

Yeah i guess you should give the GOP credit. Perhaps they learned a lesson from other hastily passed acts like the ones immediately following 9/11.

Homeland Security comes to mind.

This is great!  You acknowledge that they know  Bushidiot is a liar and a fool and they should know .They are closer to the freak.

[BT]

Homeland Security comes to mind.

Homeland Security, as the behemoth that passed, was a dem creation.

[Christians4LessGvt]

and only one democrat voted against the Patriot Act!

[hnumpah]

Wow...something to congratulate the GOP on for a change.

 

That might be the only thing we agree about.

... disengenuous to make some inferrence that the dastardly republicans were behind its defeat ...

I think the Republicans are particularly disingenuous to make the inference that some who would have voted for it voted against it simply because of Pelosi's speech. Or would they stifle her right to speak her mind, as she is allowed to do by the rules of order? Having a conniption fit and changing their vote because of some imagined slight certainly don't do anything to create the image they are fit to represent their constituents. Might as well put a group of kiddygarteners in there.

[sirs]

While I think it's particularli dissengenuus for the head of the house to preech won thing, while practising somethin completely polor, and cri about the reppercusions.  Witch again took place be4 the vote.  But your probablee wright about Pelosi acting as a kindergardener, spoilt that she didnt git her way

[hnumpah]

So do you think they voted for what they thought was best for their constituents, or did they vote against what they believed was right because they were in a snit? And which would you rather have representing you?

[Knutey]

Homeland Security comes to mind.

Homeland Security, as the behemoth that passed, was a dem creation.

Wow And I thought you guys had all 3 branches of govt in those days. Those Dems musta been sumthin.

[BT]

Wow And I thought you guys had all 3 branches of govt in those days. Those Dems musta been sumthin.

You would be wrong. Remember the Jefferds defection?

[Knutey]

Wow And I thought you guys had all 3 branches of govt in those days. Those Dems musta been sumthin.

You would be wrong. Remember the Jefferds defection?

 I can admit a mistake, but this isnt one. As I remember Jeffords made the senate  50/50 and Cheney the Golum VP casts a vote when the Senate is tied.

[BT]

You remember wrong. Daschle wouldn't have been Senate Majority Leader if it were 50-50.

[sirs]

So do you think they voted for what they thought was best for their constituents, or did they vote against what they believed was right because they were in a snit? And which would you rather have representing you?

Possibly both, though given the 2:1 reporting I read before of citizens opposed to it, is very likely to be the former, made easier to have been made by the latter.  And since it was voted down, I'm pleased, regardless of their reasoning

[Knutey]

You remember wrong. Daschle wouldn't have been Senate Majority Leader if it were 50-50.

Wait a minute. Are we still talking about the Homeland Securty Act? It was passed  when Tent Lott was Majority leader.You trying to muddy the waters again?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1121/p01s03-usju.html

[Amianthus]

Are we still talking about the Homeland Securty Act? It was passed  when Tent Lott was Majority leader.

Daschle was the Senate Majority leader in 2002.

From the Senate history:

107th Congress (2001-2003)
Majority Leader: Thomas A. Daschle (D-SD)
Minority Leader:  Trent Lott (R-MS)
Note:  From January 3 to January 20, 2001, with the Senate divided evenly between the two parties, the Democrats held the majority due to the deciding vote of outgoing Democratic Vice President Al Gore. Senator Thomas A. Daschle served as majority leader at that time. Beginning on January 20, 2001, Republican Vice President Richard Cheney held the deciding vote, giving the majority to the Republicans. Senator Trent Lott resumed his position as majority leader on that date. On May 24, 2001, Senator James Jeffords of Vermont announced his switch from Republican to Independent status, effective June 6, 2001. He announced that he would caucus with the Democrats, giving that party a one-seat advantage and  changing control of the Senate back to the Democrats. Thomas A. Daschle again became majority leader on June 6, 2001. Trent Lott announced on December 20, 2002, that he would not continue as Republican leader in the 108th Congress. William Frist was elected Republican leader on Dec. 23, 2002, and began service on January 7, 2003.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Majority_Minority_Leaders.htm#2

[Knutey]

Are we still talking about the Homeland Securty Act? It was passed  when Tent Lott was Majority leader.

Daschle was the Senate Majority leader in 2002.

From the Senate history:

107th Congress (2001-2003)
Majority Leader: Thomas A. Daschle (D-SD)
Minority Leader:  Trent Lott (R-MS)
Note:  From January 3 to January 20, 2001, with the Senate divided evenly between the two parties, the Democrats held the majority due to the deciding vote of outgoing Democratic Vice President Al Gore. Senator Thomas A. Daschle served as majority leader at that time. Beginning on January 20, 2001, Republican Vice President Richard Cheney held the deciding vote, giving the majority to the Republicans. Senator Trent Lott resumed his position as majority leader on that date. On May 24, 2001, Senator James Jeffords of Vermont announced his switch from Republican to Independent status, effective June 6, 2001. He announced that he would caucus with the Democrats, giving that party a one-seat advantage and  changing control of the Senate back to the Democrats. Thomas A. Daschle again became majority leader on June 6, 2001. Trent Lott announced on December 20, 2002, that he would not continue as Republican leader in the 108th Congress. William Frist was elected Republican leader on Dec. 23, 2002, and began service on January 7, 2003.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Majority_Minority_Leaders.htm#2

Exactly . And Trent Lott was Majority Leader when the Homeland Security Law was passed. So the Dems did not create that piece of shit. The one Dem that spnsored an earlier version is now an Ind and kisses Repub asses now, Joe Leiberman.
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/HSA_RoAPS.html