DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Xavier_Onassis on March 29, 2016, 01:06:46 PM
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/28/more-than-42000-people-have-signed-a-petition-to-allow-guns-at-the-republican-national-convention/
The only defense against a Bad Republican with a Gun is a Good Republican with a Gun.
I see open carry at the GOP Convention as the best idea since the self-cleaning oven.
If I could vote on this, I would vote FOR it and then stay the Hell out of Ohio.
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Has squat to do with oppression, oh master of deflection. There's plenty or armed folks at the event, in particular Secret Service. Plenty of immediate firepower should some "gun nut" decide to try and kill anyone
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But those people have the right to bear arms. The Secret Service cannot be trusted, They are employees of the hated oppressive Obama regime.
I find it amusing that you think the Republican Convention to be somehow different than a college campus or a shopping mall or a public elementary school. The Republican Party is the Gun Nut Party and they are barred ---BANNED-- from bearing their arms! And stupid sirs goes along with this.
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The right to bear arms, isn't universal. Do you not pay attention?? Just like you can't yell fire in a theater and call it free speech. A 2nd grader can grasp that cocept. Why am I not surprised you are unable to
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So you do not even want the Second Amendment to be enforced at the convention where it will no doubt be worshiped.
That seems hypocritical, like you doubt that Republicans with guns are capable of acting responsibly.
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There are venues all across this country where firearms are not allowed in. There's no outrage at those, outside of the idiotic gun free zones. For instance, the GOP Convention will be a full on gun carrying zone, much like an NRA convention. Secret Service and law enforcement will be in force. The idea of the 2nd amendment is that of protection. If there were not going to be any armed folks, then absolutely I'd be clamoring to allow people to exercise their 2nd amendment. But this isn't people just walking the street where a police officer could be miles away. This is an enclosed venue, where security will be armed to the teeth, all around
You're seriously failing at trying to make a mountain out of less than a molehill, I'm afraid
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So you do not even want the Second Amendment to be enforced at the convention where it will no doubt be worshiped.
That seems hypocritical, like you doubt that Republicans with guns are capable of acting responsibly.
Many delegates agree with you .
http://www.newsweek.com/gop-convention-open-carry-petition-441808
It is the Secret Service that decided against the guns , and a gun hater who made the petition proposal.
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/gun-petition-republican-convention
A lot of Republican Delegates and otherwise republicans seem to be signing this petition because there is no perceivable protection in maintaining a gun free zone.
Now the Democrats need the same effort on their behalf, else someone might feel that between the two the Democrats would be easier to disrupt.
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If there should be no "gun free zones", then there should be none at this convention
If safety increases with the number of guns, then these hypocrites should eat their own BS.
If guns make for a polite society, and Trump and his goons are famous for their impoliteness, all the more reason for everyone to be packing heat. Then the Convention could be polite.
The fact is that the NRA is full of crap and no thinking Republican should assume that everyone being armed could insure anything other than extreme apprehension.
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The fact is YOU'RE full of crap. It's not and never been the # of guns.....ITS BEEN WHO HAS THEM. That's why there's never been a mass shooting at an NRA convention or gun show, since the folks that are carrying them are either security, law enforcement, or CCW carriers. Trying to pass laws that simply disarm the law abiding isn't doing squat to help prevent gun related deaths
There are going to be plenty of armed security at the GOP convention which makes it anything but a gun free zone. A so called "gun free zone" is where NO gun is present (on paper that is....since the bad guys see a gun free zone as an un-armed victim zone, and could care less what any law says)
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You are soooooooooo fulla crap, sirs.
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You can always tell when the professor is at the end of his argumentative rope. Thank you for the validation 8)
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You rightwingers are the ones who mistrust the government and think that Obama has ruined the country, but then you trust his Secret Service to protect you.
The thing it that you nitwits do not trust your own bullshit,
But you have the solution: just buy another gun.
And take it every7where but the GOP National Convention, because Obama's Secret Service is taking care of you there.
How do you live with the flake that dwells in your mirror, sirs?
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You lunatic leftists wrote the book on misrepresentation. News flash...if I had my own personal armed secret service agents, I probably would have no need to exercise my 2nd amendment right. Nor is secret Service "the Government". They're an ARMED security wing of the Government, which makes the GOP convention anything but a "gun free zone".
But I don't, which is why we have the 2nd amendment. You see, contrary to your ongoing attempts to paint a picture of what the NRA supposedly is, what its NOT, is some organization that advocates that everyone must own a gun. That's ignorance. The NRA is 1st and formost and advocate for the FREEDOM to exercise your 2nd amendment right, which includes the freedom NOT to chose to carry or own a firearm. And immediately after that, the NRA is 2ndly an advocate for the massive support for SAFE & RESPONSIBLE handling of a firearm, if one does choose to exercise their 2nd amendment rights
It's never been about the number of guns, as in the more the better. You're distoring the fact we have alot of firearms to claiming its the number of firearms that supposedly makes us safer. NOT. It's the more guns in the hands of RESPONSIBLE & LEGAL gun owners, the better. But because you chose to remain ignorant, you continue to spout ignorant nonsense, that you've been spreading thru-out this thread
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Last time I was in a gathering of 100% armed men , I emerged alive.
Is that amazing to you?
Is there an example of a large group of armed Americans having a problem like the one you are imagining?
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Maybe the GOP should all be packing heat, just to prove how safe it is.
But this won't happen.
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Nor is it a rational suggestion. Actually the polar opposite of the point having been made.....especially in what the 2nd Amendment is all about, and what the NRA stands for
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There are occasions when many armed persons are gathered.
without shooting
There seems to be a presumption that guns reach critical mass and shoot by themselves.
if there are too many
What is the history of armed gatherings?
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I have no idea what would happen. But it is not happening, because guns will be outlawed at the GOP Convention by agents of "Big Governnment".
Maybe no one would be shot. Who knows?
So far no one has been shot at any political convention, so far as I know.
Thanks to "Big Government". But the moron gun nuts continue to insist that more guns make everyone safer.
The is because they are, in fact, morons.
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While ignorant morons keep perpetuating the myth that it's simply a matter of more guns that make us safer, when its more guns in the hands of law abiding responsible citizens that does ::)
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Conventions have been safe so far and I don't think the delegates were armed.
But many Second Amendment fans constantly claim that Obama is a Muslim Communist who cannot be trusted and who does not want Americans to be safe. Hence people should protect themselves by packing heat everywhere they go. The Secret Service does take orders from the same untrustworthy Commie Muslim president.
And yet they trust the Secret Service, and docilely accept that the be defended by these same people commanded by the evil Muslim Commie Obama.
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Conventions have been safe so far and I don't think the delegates were armed.
That's because there's a mass of armed security within and outside the convention, and not just Secret Service ::)
But many Second Amendment fans constantly claim that Obama is a Muslim Communist who cannot be trusted and who does not want Americans to be safe. Hence people should protect themselves by packing heat everywhere they go. The Secret Service does take orders from the same untrustworthy Commie Muslim president.
And right on cue, come the misrepresentations. NO, no one is claiming that people should "pack heat everywhere they go". Not me, not the GOP, not the NRA. But to placate the one point of truth, policies that Obama and the lunatic left push, to make it harder and harder for law abiding citizens to own and carry firearms. Now, you're the only one claiming that's what he wants to do. Whether that's his want, or simply he's ignorant of the repercussions of those policies, the result is that it absolutely make us less safe....so to recap, it's the more guns IN THE HANDS OF RESPONSIBLE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, is what makes us safer. Not just more guns
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You cannot get around the fact that you ultra right wing gun nuts are entrusting your very lives to the corrupt and untrustworthy Commie Muslim terrorist government of Barack Hussein Obama. Of course, this is not a problem because most of you do not believe your own bullshit.
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I do not trust the Secret Service absolutely.
The last few years they have had four demoralizing scandals or failures.
Oh well, ...they are pretty good , and I do favor their being just as well armed as the average citizen.
Don't you favor Hillary Clinton going to her convention with a phalanx of well armed men and women?
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I am not the one who thinks the government is the problem, I have no problem with the Secret Service guarding the conventions.
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You cannot get around the fact that you ultra right wing gun nuts are entrusting your very lives to the corrupt and untrustworthy Commie Muslim terrorist government of Barack Hussein Obama. Of course, this is not a problem because most of you do not believe your own bullshit.
Who is getting around what?
President Obama seems to not understand his role as guardian of our liberty, and he certainly does not understand our own role as the guardian of our own liberty.
I would rather have had Herman Cain or John McCain , but I don't get everything I want. I think we just have to suffer through a bad president now and then.
Were you disappointed that the Justice department sold a carload of weapons to law breaking Mexicans?
There were exactly the sort of gun that was limited by the assault weapons ban, but our Justice department arms drug smugglers with them?
So for a little while it was easier to get our governments blessing on an AK47 semiautomatic rifle being sold to a Mexican with a conviction or two than an American with a clean record.
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I am not the one who thinks the government is the problem, I have no problem with the Secret Service guarding the conventions.
Do you have a problem with the Secret Service letting an intruder run across the Whitehouse lawn and through the side door?
Do you have a problem with the Secret Service hiring prostitutes for the team?
Have you noticed any signs that the Secret Service is demoralized?
These are human beings , they did not become moral paragons or supermen when they were given a Civil Service ID card.
If you had three thousand of these guys in a big room, all armed , would a shooting be certain to happen?
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If you had three thousand of these guys in a big room, all armed , would a shooting be certain to happen?
I have no idea.\
If you do not trust the Secret Service, then you should advocate packing heat to the Convention.
I do not think the Secret Service is incompetent now, but I do not claim to be an expert.
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My point is not that the Secret Service is incompetent , rather that they are human beings.
Is your point that almost everyone is incompetent ?
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You cannot get around the fact that you ultra right wing gun nuts are entrusting your very lives to the corrupt and untrustworthy Commie Muslim terrorist government of Barack Hussein Obama. Of course, this is not a problem because most of you do not believe your own bullshit.
No they're not. This is merely the GOP convention, and the Secret Service aren't a bunch of fascist goons about to take down anyone that speaks il will of the Furer Obama ::)
and as I said before, if I were some rich liberal able to hire my own armed personal guards, or some leftist politician surrounded by armed Secret Service, I could irrationally argue why anyone else needs a gun. That's the bubble the left lives in