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Dulce et Decorum Est
« on: December 29, 2007, 04:40:54 PM »

    Dulce et Decorum Est

    If Someone Else Has to Do It

    December 28, 2007

    I have just received the November issue of the magazine of the American Legion, in which I discover an article by one Ralph Peters, reminding me of why, having joined the Legion on impulse, I have never gone to the Post. The piece is entitled ?Twelve Myths of 21st Century War.? A better title might be, ?A Pedestrian Compendium of Agonizingly Cliched Jingoism.? (I guess he didn?t think of calling it that.) Anyway, Ralph believes that Americans have become too comfortable, have lost their taste for war, no longer want to pay the butcher?s bill. Ralph is for war. Not much for history, though.

    As a diagnostic exercise in intellectual pathology, let?s look at some of these clich?s. Ralph speaks of ?the terrible price our troops had to pay for freedom? in our various wars. Ah. In exactly which wars did the military protect our freedoms?

    The Mexican War of 1847 didn?t protect our freedoms. In the view of Ulysses Grant?a participant in that war, and unconvincing as a limp-wristed liberal?it constituted sheer unjustified aggression. In the Civil War the Confederacy posed no danger to our freedoms, if by ?us? one means the Union. The South wanted only to be left alone to misbehave in peace. The Spanish-American War of 1898 was also unjustified aggression: Neither Cuba nor Spain posed the slightest threat to our freedoms. World War I didn?t protect our freedoms, nor probably those of Europe. It was an internal war between colonial powers led by idiots. World War II was justified retaliation for attack and a plausible long-term peril for freedom. The Korean War wasn?t about our freedoms?many observers assert that it took place in Korea?and neither was Viet Nam. We lost the latter and seemed no less free than before. Iraq has nothing to do with our freedoms. It couldn?t threaten the freedom of Guatemala.

    One for eight, Ralph. It wouldn?t fly in the NFL.

    Ralph, a doubtless well-paid commentator on television, complains that our elites do not fight in the country?s wars. True. Neither do our Ralphs. Relying on his biography in the Wikipedia, I find that he was born in 1952, making him of military age in 1970. The war in Viet Nam being at its height, he went to Europe for ten years. Rough duty, it was. Cirrhosis always looms in those beer gardens. He retired from the Army as a lieutenant colonel in intelligence. (Officers usually being peters, it is not surprising that Peters was an officer.) In the Marines we referred to such people as ?admin pogues? or ?REMFs,? rear-echelon motherfuckers. I confess to a loathing for those who shelter safely behind the lines yet send others to fight, bowwow, grrrr, woof. Still, his record is not irrelevant to his views. War looks exciting to office workers, but has less appeal to those who are forced to fight. It has even less appeal for those who are hit.

    I remember lying in the NSA hospital in Danang, across the way from some guys whose tank had been hit by an RPG. I couldn?t see them because my face was bandaged. Still, we talked. They were badly burned, but seemed likely to live, though with ghastly scars.

    The RPG had ruptured the hydraulics, they said, and the cherry juice cooked off. The two across from me had gotten out. The other two crewmen had burned to death. Apparently they screamed a lot. You panic, it hurts, you are blinded, you can?t find the hatches, that kind of thing.

    I could tell a lot of stories like that. I don?t because then I get very strange and want to hit something. A loud-mouthed REMF, for example.

    Don?t take this as denigration of Ralph, though. Intel work carries its perils. He could have broken a nail on his shift key. Sure, a trip to the nails parlor would fix it, but those things hurt.

    Ralph of course speaks of the sacrifices our boys are making. They aren?t making sacrifices. They are being sacrificed. Sacrifices are voluntary, but if the troops decline to fight, they go to jail. The mechanics go this way: Having an all-volunteer army minimizes objections to the war since no one of any influence has to go; if a lot of high-school grads from Tennessee are getting killed, well, it?s not a good thing of course, but who really cares? This facilitates hobbyist wars. A voluntary army is a small army, so you have to send the same troops for tour after tour until they are half-mad and their families wrecked. Who cares? They are just rednecks anyway?not our sort of people, nobody a general would let his daughter date.

    What are the current wars about? Ralph thinks, or says he thinks, that our wars serve to protect civilization, decency, and apple pie. This is either boilerplate brainlessness or deliberate cant. Permit me to cite a contrary view:

    ?War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives?A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes.?

    Many will recognize this as the writing of the celebrated leftist Noam Chomsky, but this would be a case of misidentification. The author is, of course, Marine Major General Smedley Butler, holder of two Congressional Medals of Honor, even more than Ralph. But what does Butler know about war, compared to an office-weenie veteran of Europe?s beer chutes?

    War is a racket. The military budget is absolutely huge after you add up the usual budget, the expenditures for the current wars, the intel outfits, the black programs, the Veterans Administration, and Homeland Security. Each of these jelly jars attracts its swarm of hungry bees. Always a new weapon is needed. Some threat pullulates in the darkness, ready to defeat the weapons we have. Some of these programs become virtual kingdoms. A fighter can take a quarter century to develop at wonderful cost. Then you get to produce it for decades perhaps, and sell spare parts and upgrades and then you slep it (Service Life Extension Program, become a verb). Money, money, money. An occasional war provides plausibility.

    Of course we are in Iraq to protect our freedoms, Ralph. Who could doubt it? Only by coincidence does colonization put American troops on the borders of Iran and Syria, enemies of Israel, and in a position to control by intimidation the oil of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, and the UAE. Coincidence, I assure you.

    A bloated military requires enemies. Ralph sees one in the Mohammedans, a desperate recourse but the only one available. Enemies have to be frightening so as to justify the budget. The Soviets were serviceable in this regard, having a huge if low-grade military and a history of occupying places. When the commies punked out, no believable bugaboo was at hand, so makeup was applied to Moslems to let them serve until China comes online. Already one reads of the ominous buildup of the wily Chinee. Evil lurks everywhere, fearsome shapes twist in the fog, send money.

    Why does Ralph think Iraq threatens our freedoms? Because he is supposed to. To quote Smedley Butler further, ?Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.?

    Actually it is much more true of officers, who are issued their minds when they sign up. They seldom turn them in upon retirement. Enlisted men know less but think more.

    Enough. I can?t stand it. Ralph complains that the presidential candidates have never been in uniform, but I note that Hillary?s combat record exactly equal Ralph?s. Frauds, phonies, poseurs, always saying, ?Let?s you and him fight.?

http://fredoneverything.net/RalphPeters.shtml
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Re: Dulce et Decorum Est
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2007, 05:44:41 PM »
Who can't agree with this?

We are always fighting someone, somewhere. Mostly it is not necessary. The Swiss and the Swedes manage not to fight and have not lost their freedoms, have they?
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Re: Dulce et Decorum Est
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2007, 11:20:46 AM »
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Intel work carries its perils. He could have broken a nail on his shift key. Sure, a trip to the nails parlor would fix it, but those things hurt.

Paper cuts...you forgot about the paper cuts...

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Re: Dulce et Decorum Est
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2007, 11:55:55 AM »
Excellent and very well-written article.  No comment other than to say I agree with every word of it. 


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Re: Dulce et Decorum Est
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2008, 05:14:49 PM »
The Civil war was not about Our Freedom?


There are indeed some things worse than War , and being against war in all circumstances is inviteing these things to occur.

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[edit] Operation Iraqi Freedom
Main article: Iraq War
Most recently, the Marines have served prominently in Operation Iraqi Freedom. The I Marine Expeditionary Force, along with the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, spearheaded the 2003 invasion of Iraq.[46] During the occupation of Iraq, Marines spearheaded both assaults on the city of Fallujah in April and November 2004, also known as Operation Phantom Fury.[47] Their time in Iraq has also courted controversy with the Haditha killings and the Hamdania incident.[42][48] They currently continue to operate throughout Iraq.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps

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"....we observe today not a victory of party, but a celebration of freedom?symbolizing an end, as well as a beginning?signifying renewal, as well as change. For I have sworn before you and Almighty God the same solemn oath our forebears prescribed nearly a century and three quarters ago.    1
  The world is very different now. For man holds in his mortal hands the power to abolish all forms of human poverty and all forms of human life. And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forebears fought are still at issue around the globe?the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God. 2
  We dare not forget today that we are the heirs of that first revolution. Let the word go forth from this time and place, to friend and foe alike, that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans?born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace, proud of our ancient heritage?and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those human rights to which this Nation has always been committed, and to which we are committed today at home and around the world. 3
  Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. 4
  This much we pledge?and more. ..."
http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres56.html


In a World of Shrinking freedom This Freeddom of Ours is doomed by the growth of its enemies , an attatude of "I got Mine!" is insufficient for the perpetuation of our freedom as it was insuffecient for the inception of our freedom.

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Re: Dulce et Decorum Est
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2008, 05:20:38 PM »
"I was born about a quarter of a mile from where we are sitting now and I was here in London during the Blitz. And every night I went down into the shelter. 500 people killed, my brother was killed, my friends were killed. And when the Charter of the UN was read to me, I was a pilot coming home in a troop ship: 'We the peoples of the United Nations determined to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind.' That was the pledge my generation gave to the younger generation and you tore it up. And it's a war crime that's been committed in Iraq, because there is no moral difference between a stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. Both kill innocent people for political reasons."
 
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Re: Dulce et Decorum Est
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2008, 06:59:27 PM »
<<That was the pledge my generation gave to the younger generation and you tore it up. And it's a war crime that's been committed in Iraq, because there is no moral difference between a stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. Both kill innocent people for political reasons.">>

So good that it bears repeating.  How thick does the human skull have to be to keep these basic truths from penetrating?  It's inconceivable to me that any thinking, feeling human mind could reject them.  And yet this forum teaches me that there are such skulls, there are such minds.  It's really been quite a revelation.  As my late dad used to say, "None so blind as those who will not see."

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Re: Dulce et Decorum Est
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2008, 12:15:52 AM »
"I was born about a quarter of a mile from where we are sitting now and I was here in London during the Blitz. And every night I went down into the shelter. 500 people killed, my brother was killed, my friends were killed. And when the Charter of the UN was read to me, I was a pilot coming home in a troop ship: 'We the peoples of the United Nations determined to save succeeding generations from the scourge of war, which twice in our lifetime has brought untold sorrow to mankind.' That was the pledge my generation gave to the younger generation and you tore it up. And it's a war crime that's been committed in Iraq, because there is no moral difference between a stealth bomber and a suicide bomber. Both kill innocent people for political reasons."
 
- Tony Benn Question Time 22 March 2007



The answer to the question is that the stealth bomber is reuseable and can carry a heavyer bomb.
If he can understand no other diffrence he could understand that the one has limits that limit its effective use much more than the other.

We have no vunerability hat our opponents do not also have , but when one of them suggsts peacefull solution he is likely to get shot ,we let them speak, they consider this to be our key weakness , but is it a weakness ?