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I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« on: October 08, 2006, 12:29:26 PM »
This guy was 21 at the time, but I bet us Dems are holding back the ones that were 15 until closer to the election!

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-na-page8oct08,1,6456233.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage
Ex-Page Tells of Foley Liaison
The young man says the then-congressman eyed males in the program. He says he was 21 when he and the Florida Republican had sex.
By Walter F. Roche Jr.
Times Staff Writer

October 8, 2006

A former House page says he had sex with then-Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) after receiving explicit e-mails in which the congressman described assessing the sexual orientation and physical attributes of underage pages but waiting until later to make direct advances.

The former page, who agreed to discuss his relationship with Foley with the Los Angeles Times on the condition that he not be identified, said his electronic correspondence with Foley began after he finished the respected Capitol Hill page program for high school juniors. His sexual encounter was in the fall of 2000, he said. At the time, he was 21 and a graduate of a rural Northeastern college.

"I always knew you were a player but I don't fool around with pages," declared one instant message from Maf54, a screen name Foley used in exchanges that have become public involving male former pages.

The former page's account is consistent with Foley's assertion that he did not have sexual relations with minors, an issue that will be key to determining whether he committed crimes. The legal age of consent varies from state to state; in the District of Columbia, where the pages live in supervised dormitories, it is 16.

Yet the former page's exchanges with Foley offer a glimpse of possible predatory behavior by the congressman as he assessed male teenagers assigned as House errand-runners.

In the messages, Maf54 described how years earlier, he had looked to see whether the former page had an erection in his tight white pants while the then-teenager was working near the congressman. Maf54 also speculated about the sexual attributes of other males in the same page class, including the observation that one young man was "well hung."

Foley abruptly resigned his House seat Sept. 29, after the disclosure of sexually oriented messages to former pages. Other messages were subsequently divulged, and questions concerning how much House Republican leaders knew about Foley and his interest in pages are being investigated by the House Ethics Committee. Foley is now in seclusion in an alcohol treatment facility, and his lawyer has declined to answer questions about specific pages.

The FBI has begun contacting former pages, and at least one — a deputy campaign manager for Rep. Ernest Istook, an Oklahoma Republican who is running for governor there — has hired a criminal defense lawyer, according to a published report. Istook issued a statement last week urging the media to protect the young man's privacy after his name was briefly posted on the ABC News website.

The former page interviewed by The Times said he had not been contacted by the FBI or the House Ethics Committee. He agreed to talk to The Times only if his identity was protected, because of his fear that exposure could hurt his job prospects.

The Times found the former page after others identified him as someone whose contacts with Foley went beyond graphic messages. At an interview, the former page brought a computer containing his communications with Foley, and allowed a Times reporter to review them. The young man, who now manages a suburban office of a national franchise, says that he is gay and that he had only one sexual encounter with Foley before the contacts abruptly ended. The Times agreed not to publish the year of his page class to protect his identity.

The young man said that while serving as a page, he and his fellow pages gossiped frequently about Foley's overly friendly behavior but did not complain about him to program supervisors or other members of Congress. They nicknamed him "Triple F," for "Florida Fag Foley." One evening, four of the boys made an unannounced visit to Foley's home.

"We knocked on his door and he let us in. Nothing happened, but he was very friendly," the former page said.

Foley's flirtations made the young man feel important at a time when he was struggling with his emerging sexuality. "It seemed cool that he was taking an interest," he said. "I knew he was gay, and he was attracted to me."

After leaving the program, the former page began receiving messages from Foley. He is uncertain how Foley knew his college instant-message name, but assumed the congressman had access to a directory listing former pages' whereabouts.

The exchanges quickly became provocative. In one 2000 message, Maf54 inquired about the length and direction of the youth's erection.

"I always thought you were gay," Maf54 commented.

"Is it obvious?" the former page asked.

Ultimately, the young man said, he had a sexual encounter with Foley at the congressman's Washington home.

Then 21, he was in Washington as an intern in an unrelated program.

The two had wine and pizza on a backyard patio and then retired to a spare bedroom, he recalled.

The former page, who served during Foley's first term, said that he believed Foley became bolder in his behavior during his decade in Congress.

"He clearly has used his position, but who hasn't?" the former page said. He still follows protocol in referring to the former congressman as "Mr. Foley."

He said Foley was really two very different people: a legislator "really devoted to his cause," and a sexual being.

He and other former pages were surprised that it took so long for Foley "to get caught," he said.

"It most saddens me because of the damage it could do to the program," the young man said of the page system. "It was the most spectacular year of my life. I would love to do it all over again."

wally.roche@latimes.com




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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2006, 12:36:51 PM »
This guy was 21 at the time, but I bet us Dems are holding back the ones that were 15 until closer to the election!

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought.

For the Dems, the object is not to protect the kids, but to gain political power. Everything can be sacrificed for that, huh?
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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2006, 04:12:47 PM »
This guy was 21 at the time, but I bet us Dems are holding back the ones that were 15 until closer to the election!

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought.

For the Dems, the object is not to protect the kids, but to gain political power. Everything can be sacrificed for that, huh?

You are not real sharp on parody, huh? I truly wish that the Dems were technologically able enough to pull something like this off.  Sadly, we do not have an equivalent to the evil & deceitful Karl Rove.

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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2006, 04:31:09 PM »
Regardless whether these actions were legal or not because the age of consent is 16 is, to me at least, a minor issue. The immorality of it is immense to me at least. There are actions that may be illegal to conduct and there are actions that may be legal but are disgusting  I refuse to support none of these. How pople like Foley, or OJ for that matter, can look at themselves in the mirror each and every morning is beyond me.

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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2006, 04:47:08 PM »
Regardless whether these actions were legal or not because the age of consent is 16 is, to me at least, a minor issue. The immorality of it is immense to me at least. There are actions that may be illegal to conduct and there are actions that may be legal but are disgusting  I refuse to support none of these. How pople like Foley, or OJ for that matter, can look at themselves in the mirror each and every morning is beyond me.

Prof, I must say that I am pleasantly surprised by your stance on this. There might be hope for a few of you(generic) yet.

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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2006, 04:49:42 PM »
Just for curiosity, why are we "junior members"? Do we need to have SS bands on our arms or something? :-)

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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2006, 05:50:09 PM »
Just for curiosity, why are we "junior members"? Do we need to have SS bands on our arms or something? :-)

Good one, Prof, but it looks lie you were just promoted to full member. Better watch out. The power might go to your head!

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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2006, 06:33:26 PM »
Dang it. I'm a REBEL. That's why I'm in IT.

Oh my gosh, does this mean I have to wear a tie or something? I recently got remarried and I didn't wear a tie then! I always figured if you had to wear a tie to do your job, then what did that say about you? :-)

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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2006, 08:58:45 PM »
Just for curiosity, why are we "junior members"? Do we need to have SS bands on our arms or something? :-)

You need to have more that 100 posts under your belt to make full member.


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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2006, 11:21:10 PM »
Prof, I must say that I am pleasantly surprised by your stance on this

You'd be hard pressed to find ANY Conservative or Republican that doesn't agree with the Professor on this point (The immorality of it is immense to me at least. There are actions that may be illegal to conduct and there are actions that may be legal but are disgusting  I refuse to support none of these), Knute
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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2006, 01:18:37 AM »
Prof, I must say that I am pleasantly surprised by your stance on this

You'd be hard pressed to find ANY Conservative or Republican that doesn't agree with the Professor on this point (The immorality of it is immense to me at least. There are actions that may be illegal to conduct and there are actions that may be legal but are disgusting  I refuse to support none of these),


Suure you do which is why you make excuses for Foley, blame us for his outing and support his enablers such as Fatty Hastert.

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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2006, 11:38:16 AM »
Strange how direct condemnations, close to indentical to what Professier has layed out, by a myriad of other like-minded conservatives is "making excuses for him".  That's right up there with Liberman is a Republican piece of AMBE.  At least knute's consistent     :D
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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2006, 12:09:39 PM »
Strange how direct condemnations, close to indentical to what Professier has layed out, by a myriad of other like-minded conservatives is "making excuses for him".  That's right up there with Liberman is a Republican piece of AMBE.  At least knute's consistent     :D

I wasn't talking about the few sane conservatives outside of this Forum.

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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2006, 03:02:48 PM »
I wasn't talking about the few sane conservatives outside of this Forum

Yet, not-so-surprisingly, unable to provide any specifics of support for his actions and "making excuses for him", outside of this forum
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Re: I'll be damned all that trolling did pay off for one Republican
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2006, 03:22:26 PM »
I wasn't talking about the few sane conservatives outside of this Forum

Yet, not-so-surprisingly, unable to provide any specifics of support for his actions and "making excuses for him", outside of this forum

Oh yeah? How about THIS!
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/53836