White judge rejects plea deal for 'blackie'

[BT]

Close....that  Judge shouldn't be making judgements based on feelings.

That's your opinion. Pennsylvania law allows differently.

[Xavier_Onassis]

But of course, building a Muslim Center, THAT needs to be based on feelings.

[sirs]

Close....that  Judge shouldn't be making judgements based on feelings.

That's your opinion. Pennsylvania law allows differently.

Again, you're not paying attention, Bt.  I said they SHOULDN'T.  I didn't say they can't.  I sure as hell don't want a Judge making rulings based on feelings.

But of course, building a Muslim Center, THAT needs to be based on feelings.

What the frell??

[BT]

Again, you're not paying attention, Bt.  I said they SHOULDN'T.  I didn't say they can't.  I sure as hell don't want a Judge making rulings based on feelings.

I'm sure that every judge who is tempted to reject a plea arrangement will take your feelings into consideration.

[sirs]

Wow...impressive.  Swapping out my goal of a Judge following the law vs his feelings, into a Judge following my feelings in following the law.  I need some ice for that sprained neck

[BT]

Swapping out my goal of a Judge following the law

But you know the judge is following the law because i posted the relevant section of the PA. Code.

[sirs]

No, as you've rightly opined, he cited nothing in the law to base his judgement.  Minus such, all we have is apparently his gut feelings, on the matter

And thus, we have his recusal, punctuated by the fact that the Judge that took his spot, did indeed accept said plea

[BT]

No, as you've rightly opined, he cited nothing in the law to base his judgement.  Minus such, all we have is apparently his gut feelings, on the matter

But he did. He stated that he thought the white guy was given a break that black guys wouldn't get. Which is contrary to the 14th amendment.

Plus PA law allows the discretion of a judge to reject a plea.

(6) Is the defendant aware that the judge is not bound by the terms of any plea agreement tendered unless the judge accepts such agreement?


From the PA law. No limiting clauses

He screwed up by calling the defendant a "white boy".

[sirs]

One last time....the fact that PA law allows him to use his feelings in judgements & plea deals, a) doesn't make it right, and b) isn't "enshrined in the Constitution"

 

Taking us back to square 1, where a black judge, facilitated by apparent, and dare I say "obvious" racial overtones, ignored a perfectly reasonable plea arrangement, between the defense & prosecution, for a white defendent.  Your "assumptions" of what the Judge may have perceived, is noted.  Absense of such, leaves us back at square one, helped validated by the recusal and subsequent judge accepting said plea

The lack of pushing for sanctions, as you opined, being that this was a black Judge, is also duely noted

[BT]

One last time....the fact that PA law allows him to use his feelings in judgements & plea deals, a) doesn't make it right, and b) isn't "enshrined in the Constitution"

I take that to mean that you don't believe in equal protection under the law. Which is enshrined in the constitution.

[sirs]

There's no basis for any denying of equal protection, in this case.  There's a gut the judge went by.  That part is NOT enshrined, and should never be.  Rule of law, and all that

[BT]

There's no basis for any denying of equal protection, in this case.

You know this because.... the prosecutors office says so?

[sirs]

No, because the Judge used no law to say it wasn't so.  That, and the subsequent 2nd Judge's acceptance of the plea.  

Law trumps gut....even a Judge's

[BT]

The second judge accepted the plea because the white guy in question had no priors.

That doesn't eliminate the possibility that advertently or inadvertently the Allegheny County prosecutors office doesn't give less punitive pleas to white guys.

I mean all we have to go on is the prosecutors office denials. Not that i would expect anything less.

[Plane]

Are Judges required to explain their thinking?

I have the impression that a lot of judges have a coin ready to flip.