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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Amianthus on May 31, 2008, 08:22:53 PM
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Obama resigns from controversial church
(CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama's campaign confirmed Saturday that he has resigned from the Chicago church where controversial sermons by his former pastor and other ministers created repeated political headaches for the Democratic frontrunner.
The resignation comes days after the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a visiting Catholic priest, mocked Obama's Democratic rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, for crying during the runup to the New Hampshire primary.
Previously, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, former pastor at Trinity United Church of Christ and Obama's minister for about 20 years, drew unwanted attention for the campaign when videos of his fiery sermons surfaced.
In the speeches, Wright suggested that the U.S. government may be responsible for the spread of AIDS in the black community and equated some American wartime activities to terrorism.
Obama has said he was not present for the controversial sermons by Wright or Pfleger and condemned both. This week, he said he was "deeply disappointed" by Pfleger's "divisive, backward-looking rhetoric."
Original Article (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/31/obama.church/index.html)
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Funny how he only felt the need to resign after something a White man said.
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Can we say "politically expedient"? I knew you could ;)
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Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, right?
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BTW, did anyone actually see him answer questions about the whole thing on Saturday? He explained it all very well.
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Not at all. If he had left the Church 20+yrs ago when he KNEW FULL WELL then, the amount of vitriole this church and its pastor(s) had towards White America, there'd be no damning what-so-ever. There'd even be an acknowledgement of principle, since he keeps saying how these pastors are sermonizing rhetoric he's so diametrically opposed to
Doing so now, simply makes him look all the more as your typical DC politician. His judgement took the hit long ago Brass. and it's made even more so by folks like Tee, and likely yourself, who actually support the rhetoric of Rev Wright, Ayers, and Pfleger spew.
But let's find out......what are yours and Tee's stances & positions with Rev Wright, Ayers, & Phleger? You support and agree with their consistent Anti-american, anti-white commentary?
Inquiring minds would love to know
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Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, right?
Yes it is .
We are aware of how well it worked for Bush detractors , so we wnat to try it out.
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So, you didn't avail yourself of his explanation.
Understood.
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LOL....what explanation can even remotely justify staying at that church that had his pastor, his mentor, his spiritual advisor, with guest preachers like Pfleger, spewing rhetoric for 20+years, that he was so supposedly opposed to, and only now coming to a realization of how polarizing it is??
Lemme help you out......there is none. Or is he that much of an ignorant moron.
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But let's find out......what are yours and Tee's stances & positions with Rev Wright, Ayers, & Phleger? You support and agree with their consistent Anti-american, anti-white commentary?
Inquiring minds would love to know
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I would think that the Church's --any church's-- actions are far more important than the words of the sermons. Wright and Pfleger may have made some nutty comments, but they stopped short of any action against Whitey, or Hillary, or anyone.
If the purpose of a Church is good works and fellowship, then the sermons are of minor importance. I imagine that Obama sees it like this. Or at least saw it like this until his resignation.
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Didn't feel like answering the question, did ya. I understand. Would likely put you in the same untenable position as Obama has put himself into
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The most strikeing part of the videos availible is not the incendary comments , but the reaction of the congregation to hearing them.
Reversing the situation would have a congregation listening to someone blameing some severe problems on black people , this has become rare , and won't be morned when it is gone.
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The most strikeing part of the videos availible is not the incendary comments , but the reaction of the congregation to hearing them.
Reversing the situation would have a congregation listening to someone blameing some severe problems on black people , this has become rare , and won't be morned when it is gone.
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Giving sermons and listening to them and reacting to them is not a logical exercise. It is more like people cheering for the home team, an exercise in community. White people have be known to paint their bodies for the game and do all sorts of wacko things, but it does not mean that they take action on them. Observe how they never go to Wisconsin after the game and attempt to loot and burn down Green Bay, or whatever.
Team spirit at sports events and saying 'amen' to the preacher are adolescent exercises in what is know in the church as 'fellowshipping'
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White people have be known to paint their bodies for the game and do all sorts of wacko things, but it does not mean that they take action on them. Observe how they never go to Wisconsin after the game and attempt to loot and burn down Green Bay, or whatever.
A few hours earlier, the shop was overrun by looters when hundreds of people spilled into the streets throughout the city following the Chicago Bulls' defeat of the Portland Trailblazers to win their second straight National Basketball Association championship.
Before the night was over, 100 people were injured, 95 of them police officers. More than 1,000 people were arrested; 61 police vehicles damaged, including 4 by gunfire, and several fires set. Officials this evening had no count of the number of stores looted and no financial estimate of the damage.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE0D71F3CF935A25755C0A964958260 (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE0D71F3CF935A25755C0A964958260)
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LOL....what explanation can even remotely justify staying at that church that had his pastor, his mentor, his spiritual advisor, with guest preachers like Pfleger, spewing rhetoric for 20+years, that he was so supposedly opposed to, and only now coming to a realization of how polarizing it is??
Lemme help you out......there is none. Or is he that much of an ignorant moron.
Lemme help you out, I think he should have never gone to a church to begin with but that's neither here nor there.
I think you guys are just all about outraged over this church thing because you know that it reflects badly on ALL evangelicals and all the crazy things they say from the pulpit.
You righties like to say that there is a difference between Hagee and Wright, between Falwell and Fleger and McCain and Obama's relationship with each of their respective associations when, in fact, there is but not in the way you like to spin it.
Perhaps over the years, Obama did sit in the pulpit and here similar diatribes from Reverend Wright but over those same years, Obama formed a friendship with Reverend Wright, a relationship with Reverend Wright, worked with and served the community with Reverend Wright. So, when the politically expedient thing was not his response, it made complete sense to me because you don't just throw over someone you've done good work with and been friends with for years because some political operatives are using that relationship as a wedge issue. The point being that Senator Barack Obama was close with Reverend Wright and when his alleged "hate speech" was made an issue, Obama dealt with it in a measured and honorable way respecting their friendship while trying to negate the situation politically.
Conversely, consider John McCain's situation. Pastor Hagee's positions and bizarre statements were common knowledge. Even I had flipped through TBN and caught moments of crazy talk from Hagee as he tried to baffle believers with his bullshit whilst bilking them out of their bread. But John McCain was not close with Hagee. They had not worked together for 20 years to save lives and strengthen their own community. I thought I read or heard that Hagee had married John McCain and his new wife but that may have been a rumor or something I dreamed. The point being that Hagee was out there calling the Catholic Church "a great whore" and saying any number of nutty statements and McCain SOUGHT OUT HIS SUPPORT. McCain went looking for, asking his endorsement. Against his own better judgment, I daresay! I imagine he was following the advice of some political hack who told him he couldn't win without what Jon Stewart once called "crazy base land" (Stewart said that to McCain on the Daily Show).
So, now, after Trinity has a guest speaker who says some particularly silly things (true enough but presented particularly stupidly) who also happens to be friendly with Barack Obama, Obama has now quit the church. Resigned from his own church. Cut off from his friends and neighbors and fellow worshipers because you guys didn't like the way a totally different person whom Obama has absolutely no control over said some stupid shit about Hillary Clinton of all people! Jesus Christ, he bends over backwards to accommodate you guys who don't even like him and won't vote for him anyway.
Have your fun, make your sad, pathetic points and feel good that you have wrecked a family's Sunday morning traditions all to gain a few little brownie points that no one will remember when President Barack Obama is sworn in next January.
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Brass decides not to answer the question either. Surprise, surprise, surprise. not
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Since you already have the answer to your silly questions, Sirs, it seems superfluous for anyone else to answer them, To do so would be rather like chewing your food for you, after you had already engaged the mastication process.
Obama quit his church. Are you happy? No.
What would make you happy? For Obama to travel backwards in time and then never join the church. I am pretty sure he never joined a church to hear the sermons. I think only a very small minority joins a church to hear the sermons.
I find it refreshing to hear from Ami that sports fans occasionally engage in violence, while churchgoers are not noted for this. I suspect that this has to do with the lesser amounts of alcohol consumed in each venue: the amount of Jesusblood consumed in Catholic churches in minimal, and yet most protestants take no chances and prefer to take communion with Welchaid.
I have always wondered about the Miracle of Transubstantiation. I guess no one has submitted Catholic Communion wine for alcohol analysis, as ig they did I imagine that thre transubstantiated Blood of the Lamb would reveal that Our Lord was not only not fit to drive, but deceased due to alcohol poisoning. Another miracle?
Most table wine is from 10 to 14% alcohol and I imagine that the same goes for communion wine. Does the 'Miracle of Transubstantiation' (wine changes into blood miraculously) remove the alcohol?
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Actually no. Neither you nor Brass answered the question. Just tried to rationalize the irrational. Lemme post it again for a complimentary 2nd attempt: What are yours, Brass' and Tee's stances & positions with Rev Wright, Ayers, & Phleger? Do you support and agree with their consistent Anti-american, anti-white commentary & actions? Or are they out to lunch, in varying degrees?
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>>BTW, did anyone actually see him answer questions about the whole thing on Saturday?<<
Yes I did. Not only is he stupid, he's a lier. He's almost as good as slick Willy.
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>> ... actions are far more important than the words of the sermons.<<
Wow. That flies in the face of everything that is liberal. Liberals spend inordinate amounts of time defending the war on poverty, welfare, public schools etc. In every case we're told it's not the results that count, it's their intention ... what they say ... that matters. Results are for Conservatives. But in the case of a flaming racist, it's not what he says that matters. Well, if that racist is a democrat that it is.
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You people can't be for real.
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>>The most strikeing part of the videos availible is not the incendary comments , but the reaction of the congregation to hearing them.<<
Bingo.
That brings us back to the 90+ percent of the Black vote Obama receives. But we're told Trinity is an aberration.
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That flies in the face of everything that is liberal. Liberals spend inordinate amounts of time defending the war on poverty, welfare, public schools etc. In every case we're told it's not the results that count, it's their intention ... what they say ... that matters.
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I have yet to hear this.
I suggest that you may have spent far too much time on Planet Koozbane and not on Planet Earth.
What thing have Conservatives actually conserved lately?
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>>I have yet to hear this.<<
I'm not surprised. You've got your head too far up your ass to hear much of anything.
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I'm not surprised. You've got your head too far up your ass to hear much of anything
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We can always depend on you for a witty and quick reply, can't we, Richiepoo?
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Get your head out of your ass, I can't hear you BO.
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If you must have the last word, please try to be more creative than that.
Your insults are always so puerile, lame and predictable.
I pity your lack of creativity.
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And while Xo does the snarky 2step, the questions directly posed remain unanswered.................what a shocker
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I for one am truly shocked.
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And while Xo does the snarky 2step, the questions directly posed remain unanswered.................what a shocker
What is this question that seems to be consuming you so much?
Most of your questions tend toward the rhetorical.
You know, "What kind of fool am I?"
That sort of thing. Are you actually curious about anything?
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What are yours, Brass' and Tee's stances & positions with Rev Wright, Ayers, & Phleger? Do you support and agree with their consistent Anti-american, anti-white commentary & actions? Or are they out to lunch, in varying degrees?
I'm sorry. I missed this initial post of demands that questions be answered from someone who doesn't really want answers, just to make the opposition jump through hoops and then denigrate that hoop-jumping but I'll play the game this time.
First, you are going to have to provide the quotes that you are asking me if I agree with.
I can remember Fleger's comments that have been ad nauseam (to no avail) over the last few days. They were generally in the vein that Hillary assumed that she was the presumptive nominee from the day she announced and when she saw that Obama was winning, she got pissed and was really pissed that it was a black man stealing her show.
As far as her assuming that she was the presumptive nominee, that seems to be true. She did assume that and when it finally boiled down to her and Barack, she attacked. She implemented the "kitchen sink strategy" and she joined in on the Reverend Wright offensive against Barack.
Now, I really don't believe that she ever said that there was "...a black man stealing [her] show!" At least not to my knowledge.
I really want to see some specifics on Reverend Wright's comments and the other guy's.
I can say if you're asking me if I felt that 9.11 was "America's chickens coming home to roost" then I would have to say the answer is yes.
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What are yours, Brass' and Tee's stances & positions with Rev Wright, Ayers, & Phleger? Do you support and agree with their consistent Anti-american, anti-white commentary & actions? Or are they out to lunch, in varying degrees?
I'm sorry. I missed this initial post of demands that questions be answered from someone who doesn't really want answers, just to make the opposition jump through hoops and then denigrate that hoop-jumping but I'll play the game this time.
Me too. Care to point that one out
First, you are going to have to provide the quotes that you are asking me if I agree with.
I'm not talking about specific soundbites. I made it clear in the original question, do you support their rhetorical positions, as it relates to White America? Do you support their positions as it relates to how they view America, both past and present. Ayers still wishes he could have caused more destruction with his bombings. I provide you a quote, and you'll just try to decipher it word by word until we're down to what the meaning of is, is. Not going to play that game. Xo has taken a pass, understandibly so, ball in your court now.
I can say if you're asking me if I felt that 9.11 was "America's chickens coming home to roost" then I would have to say the answer is yes.
Ahh, then Obama doesn't support your position either. Well, at least we have a better grasp of how far left you are. Right up their with Wright
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Pfleger's comments were largely inane. He was making a big deal about something he has no real information about, namely what was going on in Hillary's mind. He was doing this in church, which was also not a proper venue, since this was not a theological or even a moral issue.
Wright was of course, dead wrong about how evil White men invented AIDS to do in Black people, which is incorrect because they are not smart enough to invent a disease, and if they were, it would be one that did not infect White people.
Much of the rest of what Wright said was simply rhetoric and posturing and unpleasant to watch and hear for me. By and large, it is indisputable that Black people as a group have gotten a bad deal in the US just for their being Black. Other people also have been shoved around, but for being poor and powerless.
I would not attend Wright's church because I find his sort of sermons (and I have heard a lot worse than his) to be annoying and unproductive, like rap music. But I can see how it might not be annoying to everyone. I would not presume to tell anyone where he should or should not go to church.
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Wow, Xo showing his occasional side of rationality. Well done
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Ahh, then Obama doesn't support your position either. Well, at least we have a better grasp of how far left you are. Right up their with Wright
So, were Robertson and Falwell far left when they said that Americans had to accept culpability in 9.11? ???
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??? want to provide their quotes in context, so we can see how radical and unsupportive their positions are in comparison to Wright's?? Please, by all means
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??? want to provide their quotes in context, so we can see how radical and unsupportive their positions are in comparison to Wright's?? Please, by all means
Sure no problem.
http://www.commondreams.org/news2001/0917-03.htm] (http://[quote)http://www.commondreams.org/news2001/0917-03.htm[/url]
WASHINGTON - September 17
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JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen'.
PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.
Reverend's Wright's comments follow of sorts...
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.
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Excellent, so both are being hyperbolic. Nice to see how you support your loon while Obama does everything he can to distance himself from him
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Excellent, so both are being hyperbolic. Nice to see how you support your loon while Obama does everything he can to distance himself from him
I'm not defending Wright, I'm showing how you are a hypocrit.
Unless you want to go ahead and decry Falwell and Robertson at this time.
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All three of them are @$$holes. 'nuff said.
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All three of them are @$$holes. 'nuff said.
Word!
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Excellent, so both are being hyperbolic. Nice to see how you support your loon while Obama does everything he can to distance himself from him
I'm not defending Wright, I'm showing how you are a hypocrit.
Yes, you are defending him. You are supportive of his commentary about chickens coming home to roost. You think he's right about america inventing AIDS to kill the black man as well?
Unless you want to go ahead and decry Falwell and Robertson at this time.
WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN BRASS?? I've decryed them for years. Good gravy, is your wilful ignorance of anyone who's not a toe-tagged liberal, that dense?? I realize to you I HAVE to be some sort of Bush worshipper, but if you EVER actually took some time to read my stances and positions, you'll find that while I defend his actions he's rightfully taken against Iraq and militant Islam, given the intel he had at the time, his Domestic policies, and Democrat-like support of any and everything big government would demonstrate to anyone with an ounce of objectivity how NOT a worshipper I am. Far from it. But apparently, unless someone is hyperbolic Bush Bashing liberal, decrying Bush 24/7, then they must be some Clinton-like Bush Kool-aide drinker
So BTW....how's that Obama kool-aide tasting?
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All three of them are @$$holes. 'nuff said.
And discussion of any of them is not at all germane to any discussion of the Obama/McCain presidential race.
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Wrong, but that woudn't be the 1st time, would it
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Yes, you are defending him. You are supportive of his commentary about chickens coming home to roost. You think he's right about america inventing AIDS to kill the black man as well?
I don't support his commentary, I was of that opinion (and so are many, many more Americans) that Americas chickens were coming home to roost LONG before I fucking heard of Reverend Wright, Barack Obama or you, SIRS. If you believe the story that ObL was behind 9.11 then it makes perfect sense that the reason he did it was to let America know he (and many, many Middle Easterners) were sick and tired of America's imperialist attitudes and intrusions in their affairs and stationing on Arabian soil.
We totally support Israel in any and every retarded action they take. And so, by doing that, we sent our chickens out. 9.11 was the Middle East's way of sending our chickens home to roost.
So BTW....how's that Obama kool-aide tasting?
It's totally sweet over here, sirs. How's that Bush kool-aid holding up after 8 years of it being poisoned while you're looking the other way?
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Wrong, but that woudn't be the 1st time, would it
So, you would be content to talk about Wright and Hagee all summer long?
Or would you rather put all the bullshit aside and talk about issues? Look for this to be the last thread where I talk about any pulpit riders.
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Yes, you are defending him. You are supportive of his commentary about chickens coming home to roost. You think he's right about america inventing AIDS to kill the black man as well?
I don't support his commentary, I was of that opinion (and so are many, many more Americans) that Americas chickens were coming home to roost LONG before I fucking heard of Reverend Wright, Barack Obama or you, SIRS.
And being that is his commentary, obviously you support it, while your messiah rightly distanced himself as soon as it was politically expedient. Funny how I still have yet to hear if you agree with him, or not on the AIDS allegation.
Wrong, but that woudn't be the 1st time, would it
So, you would be content to talk about Wright and Hagee all summer long?
You want to show us McCain embracing Hagee as his spiritual advisor? His mentor?? Please, by all means, pull out the desperation card and show us how comparable it is to Wright and Obama's 20year ride with the racist preacher
Or would you rather put all the bullshit aside and talk about issues? Look for this to be the last thread where I talk about any pulpit riders.
Judgement is a primary issue for me, as it relates to who would want to be our President. Your fella is failaing misberably in that dept. And trying to pull out liberal agenda item after liberal agenda item isn't going to give him any brownie points either. I think too many people can still remember the Carter Years, rabid inflation, gas rationing, Misery Index, etc
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I think too many people can still remember the Carter Years, rabid inflation, gas rationing, Misery Index, etc
How about the Bush years of endless war, foreclosures, $4.00 a gallon gasoline, Lying ratbastards in the White House?
Carter was 22 years ago, dude. Juniorbush anbd his ignorance, stubbornness and towering incompetence is NOW.
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I think too many people can still remember the Carter Years, rabid inflation, gas rationing, Misery Index, etc
How about the Bush years of ...
Record employment #'s, Resurgence in Wall Street following 911, record tax revenues coming into the treasury, tax relief to everyone that payed income taxes, Credibility rehabilitation in the word of the U.S., etc. Yea, I'll take those years over Carter's in a heartbeat. But don't worry Xo. If enough people forgot what it was like under Carter or are ignorant of his 1 stint as President, they can get a full refresher course under a President Obama, complete with severe foreign policy naivete and piss poor judgement
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I fail to see any reason why anyone should assume that Carter and Obama would have more in common than Clinton and Obama. Obama might include some Clinton people in his administration, but Carter people are all too old by now. Carter was president 22 years ago.
It will be amusing seeing you fret and stew for the next eight years of the Obama presidency as you regurgitate whatever vile goo Rush tells you to spew on a daily basis
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I fail to see any reason why anyone should assume that Carter and Obama would have more in common than Clinton and Obama.
Because A) Clinton had a tad more executive experience, and much more moderate in his policy positions. B) Obama's agenda is much more liberal, and consistent with where Carter was, especially in his acute naivete & placating passivity regarding foreign policy. Then add to that his goal of completely derailing our economy with Universal healthcare. It'll be just like gas rationing lines under Carter, but coming out of the Healthcare centers instead. Perhaps if your license plate ends with an even #, you can go to the ER on Mon, Wed, or Friday. Odd #'s have to wait until Tues, Thursday, or the weekend
It will be amusing seeing you fret and stew for the next eight years of the Obama presidency as you regurgitate whatever vile goo Rush tells you to spew on a daily basis
Like Carter, 4 was far and away enough for the populace to endure. But hey, at least he's pledged to be as staunch a supporter of Israel, as we've ever been. There is that. and FYI, I think it's Rich as the only one around here that actually listens to Rush. I realize this need you have to reinforce how wrong you consistently are, but some times I get a little sympathetic, and throw a bone to those drowning
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Sirs, you're drawing all these comparisons between Barack Obama and people you don't like but I've yet to hear any good news about McCain.
Could you enlighten us?
Also, of course, I don't believe white men invented AIDS to kill black people. I would be open to information that white men found AIDS and used to try and kill gay men.
Sometimes, I try to offer some kind of peace offering with you guys who constantly seem to be out to win every discussion at any cost. I'd usually say something like "sirs, I really respect you but..."
I try to do that when I'm in a particularly good mood (as I am today following Obama's "win"). When I'm in said good mood, my mind is usually trying to maintain that mood and so it tries to find connections with anyone and everyone with ideas/positions/whatever that we can agree on.
I'm finding that really impossible to do with you today.
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I would be open to information that white men found AIDS and used to try and kill gay men.
I don't buy that Brass, I would think that anyone with reasonable intelligence would realize that AIDS would be transmitted to bisexuals (who tend to have sex with homosexuals) and enter into the straight population. Also, if they're smart enough to "find" AIDS, they'd have to understand the basic mechanisms of transmission and mechanics, and realize that AIDS could also enter the straight society through blood transfusions.
The indifference to AIDS when it first came out and began to decimate the gay community is another argument entirely.
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I would be open to information that white men found AIDS and used to try and kill gay men.
I don't buy that Brass, I would think that anyone with reasonable intelligence would realize that AIDS would be transmitted to bisexuals (who tend to have sex with homosexuals) and enter into the straight population. Also, if they're smart enough to "find" AIDS, they'd have to understand the basic mechanisms of transmission and mechanics, and realize that AIDS could also enter the straight society through blood transfusions.
The indifference to AIDS when it first came out and began to decimate the gay community is another argument entirely.
A gay-hating conservative whackjob who would introduce AIDS into the human populace might have no pity for anyone who was having sex with a bi-sexual who had homosexual relations.
This is theoretical and speculative here, fatman. Trust me, I have no trouble imagining that someone would do such as thing but I really don't have any proof or reason to believe that someone did do that.
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Sirs, you're drawing all these comparisons between Barack Obama and people you don't like but I've yet to hear any good news about McCain. Could you enlighten us?
Well, he's not as liberal as Hillary or Obama, so there's that. Still wants to grow government, still probably supports "comprensive immigration reform", was lead in pushing the anti-1st amendment Incumbant Protection Act, otherwise known as Campaign Finance Reform. I could go on, but at least it's not as egregious an expansion of government or a destruction of our economy as messers Hillary and Obama would take us. As I've said previously, I'm no McCain fan. Simply that he's the least destructive, and at least has an understanding of what National Security and U.S. Integrity is all about
Also, of course, I don't believe white men invented AIDS to kill black people. I would be open to information that white men found AIDS and used to try and kill gay men.
Not sure where you're going there, but in otherwords Rev Wright is out to lunch on that one as well then, correct?
Sometimes, I try to offer some kind of peace offering with you guys who constantly seem to be out to win every discussion at any cost. I'd usually say something like "sirs, I really respect you but..."
Oh yea, I see that alot....like calling me a hypocrit for stances about Falwell & Robertson I've never had. What "peace offering" have you ever offered sirs?? Perhaps even a trace apology for acknowleding that perhaps you were wrong in your assumption about me and messers Falwell & Robertsion. No, what I consistently see is constant & at times hyperbolic admonishment, for anyone daring to support Bush on any issue, especially with the war on terror and militant Islam. And we wont even go into those who are supposedly "delusional"