DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on September 26, 2016, 11:58:32 PM
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Not 1 question on the Clinton Foundation, but several minutes exercised on both the non-existent Birther issue & Trump's tax returns, that neither of which he answered very well
2 incredible opening, literally softball, questions for Trump to hammer Clinton's piss poor judgement and incompetence with national security, via her unsecured e-mail system & subsequent destruction of evidence in the face of a congressional subpoena....and he failed to to get anything of substance started
No wonder Clinton was smiling
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I didn't like His explanation of why his tax records are out of sight.
I didn't hear her explanation of e-mail or foreign policy failures.
Why do either of them get a point?
Who really is getting energized to vote out of anything but loathing of one or the other?
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Imagine Trump stiffing even dishwasher because he did not perform their duties. The turkey claims that he somehow has a right to pay less than promised or not pay at all if he doesn't like the work.
And if he pays ZERO in taxes, that shows how smart he is.
As hard as he may, he cannot spin that into an act of patriotism.
He had better cough up his tax returns.
He gets audited every year because he is what is known as a gonif.
Clinton clearly won thus debate. The Mexican peso and the Canadian dollar went up in value in response. Wall Street knows a gonif when it sees one.
No reports of Michael Bloomberg stiffing his employees, declaring bankruptcy, or being sued by 3000 people.
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Clinton clearly won thus debate. The Mexican peso and the Canadian dollar went up in value in response. Wall Street knows a gonif when it sees one.
Are you admitting that foreign currencies rise against the dollar when it seems as if Hillary R. Clinton is likely to win?
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Admit? WTF? I am not responsible. It is simply an indication that the fear that Trump would be elected would destabilize the Mexican and Canadian economies.
Trump is full of shit to say that countries deliberately devalue their currencies. They can't do this by much, because they would have to buy dollars with money from their treasuries to keep the price where they wanted it. The market determines exchange rates, no matter what any government does. If not the market, then the black market.
Trump does not know diddly about macroeconomics.
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Nor does Clinton. She also doesn't know about truth, honesty, integrity, nor national security
But she has incompetence down, in spades
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Michael Moore: "Trump Won The Debate"
http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/27/michael-moore-says-trump-won-the-debate/
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Clinton has not been incompetent at all. She got China and Russia to impose sanctions on Iran, she got the generals to hold elections in Burma and to turn the famous dissident loose.
The economy ran better when Bill Clinton was president than it did during any time after Eisenhower.
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wow...trying to match her whoppers, with one of your own?? That's her entire defense to the FBI....that she was literally too incompotent (and reckless) in realizing as SoS, that what she was doing with her e-mail server was completely contrary to what public officials are to adhere to, but worse, compromising National Security. Compromising to the point that if she had done this if an employee of the FBI, would have had all her security clearances revoked, and disciplinary actions imposed......if not fired
But she's a Clinton, so laws and rules don't apply to her
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There are very good reasons why sane, literate people oppose Donald "I alone can fix it" Trump. He is a conman and an egomaniacal jerk. You morons would want equal approval given to Mussolini or Hitler.
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And there are very good reasons why sane, literate people oppose Hillary "my word is the gold standard" Clinton. She is an incompotent, reckless, and thoroughly corrupt liar. And your grasping at Hitler & Mussolini straws, validates precisely the level of desperation you've reached
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You are far less literate than you think, sirs.
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Says the linguistics professor with prescious little grasp of language context. Point being, as "bad" as you proclaim Trump to be, the argument can be credibly made as to how exponentially worse Clinton would be
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I didn't think he did very well. But I'm voting for a president, not a debate champion. Although it would be great if he could work a killshot in there next time.
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Trump simply has no character. I agree that presidential debates are not really debates and they are not an accurate indicator of all the attributes needed by a president.
But they do indicate some things. Trump has demonstrated that he is rude, cannot stay on a subject,. it not a logical thinker and is mostly interested in becoming the Big Swinging Dick of Planet Earth.
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While Clinton has no integrity. She has demonstrated just how mean, reckless, and uncaring she can be, to obtain what she has absolutely convinced herself, belongs to her, and will do/say/take anything, to get it
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Trump is not my favorite, some of XOs observations are not exaggerated.
Hillary just has most of the same problems and worse.
She is also a land developer that has left customers and partners in the lurch.
She has not had a bankruptcy experience , but she was right there when her husband was president and tossed the grandest opportunity we have seen in our generation to reduce the national debt.
Imagine , for at least six years , no deficit, and how much did the national debt decrease?
Thus, I consider Hillary a grand master authority on wasting opportunity.
Trumps experience with using bankruptcy for relief might be a much more relevant experience, viewing the finances we have right now.
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I alone can fix it.
Yeah, that was a clever statement.
What an ass!
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Trump is not my favorite, some of XOs observations are not exaggerated.
Hillary just has most of the same problems and worse.
BINGO!! On an exponential scale, at that. No one is denying how flawed a candidate Trump is. It's just amazing to see how many who hate Trump seem to believe Clinton is some stellar nominee
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I alone can fix it.
Yeah, that was a clever statement.
What an ass!
That does reveal a bad attitude , but may I point out that Donald Trump , in spite of this bad attitude , did not conspire with the Republican party hierarchy to starve any other candidates off from party rescores, did not conspire with Republican party stalwarts to withhold key information from other Republican candidates, did not stack the convention with unelected Trump delegates.
All in all I don't think Donald Trump did anything worse than insult and ridicule the other candidates , he did not work to make it impossible that they be democratically chosen.
So between the two Donald Trump says"I alone can fix it."
And Hillary Clinton, without saying so , makes it as tough as possible for the will of the people to choose anyone else to fix it.
That is the same attitude , but Hillary is a lot less fair in action.
Sooooo......
One reason to dislike Hillary Clinton , is the love of democracy.
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And Hillary Clinton, without saying so , makes it as tough as possible for the will of the people to choose anyone else to fix it.
It is hardly Hillary's fault that this country has a two party system. Estonia has 1.6 million people and has six parties and none of them has ever had a majority. Nor can Hillary be blamed for campaigning well enough to get the nomination, Even without the superdelegates, she would have won. I preferred Bernie and voted for Bernie. Since Bernie was not even a member of the Democratic Party, they did not have to allow him to run in the primary. In the entire history of the GOP, only Eisenhower was not a member of the GOP when they convinced him to run.
Ike was chosen, by the way,only because the progressives in the Party, guys like Stassen, Rockefeller, Earl Warren,and other Liberal Republicans (the faction that would be called RINOS today) knew that otherwise, their candidate would have been Bob Taft, a rather sullen guy who was an unappealing speaker, would have been the nominee, and Stevenson would have beaten him easily.
Ike was a war hero, and so they made an exception for him. The rightwingers called Ike a Communist.
No way would today's GOP have allowed someone who was not a member of the party to run.
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And Hillary Clinton, without saying so , makes it as tough as possible for the will of the people to choose anyone else to fix it.
It is hardly Hillary's fault that this country has a two party system.
Actually I am blaming her for the sabotage of one of those two, the other one tripped itself without her help (I think).
Ike was chosen, by the way,only because the progressives in the Party, guys like Stassen, Rockefeller, Earl Warren,and other Liberal Republicans (the faction that would be called RINOS today) knew that otherwise, their candidate would have been Bob Taft, a rather sullen guy who was an unappealing speaker, would have been the nominee, and Stevenson would have beaten him easily.
Ike was a war hero, and so they made an exception for him. The rightwingers called Ike a Communist.
Everyone liked Ike, he did well as a general and did well again in the rather different job of President.
No way would today's GOP have allowed someone who was not a member of the party to run.
Isn't that happening right now?
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No, it is not.
Trump was a registered Republican when he submitted his name for the nomination.
True, the party hacks did not like him, but they could not refuse him, because he was a registered Republican.
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No, it is not.
Trump was a registered Republican when he submitted his name for the nomination.
True, the party hacks did not like him, but they could not refuse him, because he was a registered Republican.
Um Hm....
And who can't do that?
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Is Bernie now a registered Democrat? I do not think so.
The GOP make Trump jump through several hoops, the Democrats allowed Bernie to run with no jumping.
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No they didn't
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I think that the Democrats made it totally impossible for Bernie Sanders to prevail , what sort of greater roadblock were you looking for?
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Bernie got too few votes to get the nomination, even if the super delegate votes were not figured into the total. All you have to do is the math.
Listening to Fox & Friends will not suffice.
The Republicans made it totally impossible for Ted Cruz to become their nominee, despite him having been sent by God to become president. How? By not voting for him.
It was against God's Plan! Heresy!
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How the hell did the GOP make it "totally impossible" for Cruz??
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Did he get the nomination? \
No.
Was it impossible for him to get the nomination?
Yes.
Who was responsible for him not getting the nomination?
Members of the GOP.
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news flash....NOT GETTING THE NOMINATION IS NOT THE GOP PREVENTING IT
THE PEOPLE PREVENTED IT BY GIVING MORE VOTES TO TRUMP. NOT THE GOP
Or are you now flip flopping to proclaim how the Democrats made it "totally impossible" for Sanders to become the nominee?? Let's check your parameters required to make that claim
Did Sanders get the nomination? \
No.
Was it impossible for him to get the nomination?
Yes.
Who was responsible for him not getting the nomination?
Members of the Democrat party.
ergo, per your parameters, Democrats made it totally impossible for Sanders to become the nominee
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Bernie got too few votes to get the nomination, even if the super delegate votes were not figured into the total. All you have to do is the math.
Listening to Fox & Friends will not suffice.
The Republicans made it totally impossible for Ted Cruz to become their nominee, despite him having been sent by God to become president. How? By not voting for him.
It was against God's Plan! Heresy!
Stop bringing God into this until you need to.
Democracy was offended , Democrats were cheated.
If the superdeligates had all voted for Sanders , he would have won. Why wasn't Bernie Sanders wife made a delegate as Hillary Clinton's husband was?
Why did the chairwoman have to resign in disgrace ('_-) to be hired right away by Hillary?
Why did the party establishment deny resources to Sanders that it allowed to Clinton? Money , Phonebanks , information, Hillary was getting the parties support in every way and Sanders fought for every small recognition, that he was able to influence the platform was all that he could do with being a naturally stronger contender than the selected candidate.
Why why why do I care?
I vote for Democrats so seldom that I have not voted for one in a decade, I am surely not cheated by shenanigans inside a party that gave up on my vote a while ago.
I care because the Republican party is not intrinsically stronger against this sort of corruption and is observing in distress the weakest Democrat possible running well against the weakest Republican available.
I worry that what succeeds best is success and in a short time the Republicans will emulate these Democratic methods and I will then indeed be cheated.
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Stop bringing God into this until you need to.
I did not stick God into the discussion: Cruz did. He claimed that God told him to run.
Cruz said he prayed and prayed for divine guidance and finally, God told him to run.
So there are several possibilities to explain what actually happened.
God had left the building, God was deaf, perhaps because of the Big Bang, or God simply does not exist or give a shit, and Cruz was just talking to himself, or God has a wicked sense of humor and likes to mock sanctimonious assholes like Cruz.
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You forget rule #1 when it comes to God & prayer......sometimes the answer is "No"
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Stop bringing God into this until you need to.
I did not stick God into the discussion: Cruz did. He claimed that God told him to run.
Cruz said he prayed and prayed for divine guidance and finally, God told him to run.
So there are several possibilities to explain what actually happened.
God had left the building, God was deaf, perhaps because of the Big Bang, or God simply does not exist or give a shit, and Cruz was just talking to himself, or God has a wicked sense of humor and likes to mock sanctimonious assholes like Cruz.
This discussion used to be about Hillary Clinton and her behavior.
Which Includes how she treated the voters of the Democratic party undemocratically.
Oh wait look over there!
Its a squirrel!
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No, this is about how the GOP made it impossible for Ted Cruz to be the nominee. Trumnp got more votes.
Hillary also got the Democratic nomination by getting more votes. Even if we discount the super delegate votes, Hillary got enough votes to make her the nominee.
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Not to the point now is it. God can inspire you to do lots of things. That doesn't equate to him saying yes to everything, so the idea he's deaf is a non-starter.
You need to stop trying to move the goal posts. If the GOP made it impossible to nominate Cruz, so did the Democrats making it impossible to nominate Sanders. The kicker is that had the super delegates who were committed to Clinton, regardless of her positions or criminal liability, and not accountable in any way to the people, voted for Sanders, he'd be the nominee
Good thing Clinton bought those up early
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No, this is about how the GOP made it impossible for Ted Cruz to be the nominee. .....
You are in error.
The powerful in the GOP were frustrated by the people of the GOP.
The people of the Democratic party were frustrated by the powerful and moneyed that run it.
Not just simply , rescores and cash was made available to Hillary , I would not be surprised if the Democratic Dead voters were used against Sanders .
The fix was put in and the price was paid, and Wasserman -Sholtz took responsibility.
Does all of this shame belong to one person?