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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: BT on April 19, 2011, 11:33:29 AM
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Arizona governor vetoes birther, campus gun bills
By David Schwartz 2 hrs 10 mins ago
PHOENIX (Reuters) ? Arizona's Republican Governor Jan Brewer on Monday vetoed two controversial bills, one mandating proof of U.S. citizenship to run for president, the other allowing guns on college campuses, in a clear setback for conservatives who control the state legislature.
Brewer, who grabbed headlines a year ago when she signed a get-tough state law cracking down on illegal immigrants, vetoed the bills in an announcement late on Monday.
The so-called "birther bill," would have made Arizona the first state in the nation to require presidential candidates prove U.S. citizenship by providing a long form birth certificate, and other forms of proof including baptismal or circumcision certificates, to be placed on the state ballot.
"I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for president of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their 'early baptism or circumcision certificates' ... This is a bridge too far," she said..
A former Arizona secretary of state, Brewer said she did not support designating one person as "gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate," as it "could lead to arbitrary or politically motivated decisions."
The Republican-controlled state legislature passed the measure at a time when some foes of President Barack Obama, a Democrat question whether he is a native-born U.S. citizen. Real estate mogul and television reality show host Donald Trump is among those questioning Obama's birth in Hawaii.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110419/pl_nm/us_arizona_birther/print (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110419/pl_nm/us_arizona_birther/print)
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That's OK there are other states that will be on board.
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I think obama would still pass the test and still get the birthers angry
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the funny part is obama would still pass that
thier is a birth cert. just not the one some folks like. and nobody ever stated it`s not legal even
the wording on the bill did not disqualify obamas cert.
that might be why she rejected it. why do it if it doesn't disqualify the SOB.
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that might be why she rejected it. why do it if it doesn't disqualify the SOB.
Why do it? Because it's stupid? That might be a good reason right there.
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I maybe wrong but doubtful all states may require the long form and still cannot disqualify other forms of birth cert.. due to the fact not everyone has the long form. pretty darn sure alot of state has digital only . the bill it`s self concedes this fact.
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unless you want a circumcision certificates picked over other birth cert.
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that might be why she rejected it. why do it if it doesn't disqualify the SOB.
Why do it? Because it's stupid? That might be a good reason right there.
clearly most governments pass more stupid laws than smart laws. that's because typically corrupt people occupy political positions.
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actually ,it might be calculated.
on the outside arizona seemed crazy, but to me it`s calculated.
the goal was to get more protection on thier border and they got it. the birther bill maybe to get more support and they are politically on good grounds with many other organizations.
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actually ,it might be calculated.
on the outside arizona seemed crazy, but to me it`s calculated.
the goal was to get more protection on thier border and they got it. the birther bill maybe to get more support and they are politically on good grounds with many other organizations.
yup, behind the scenes maneuvering. that doesn't make it so dumb after all. Anyway, what's dumb about a state making it's own laws regarding elections? if they want to see whether or not someone is a citizen that's fine with me. What is dumb about electing us citizens over aliens anytway?
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as long as citizens don`t get deported it`s should be ok. but theirs no guarantee on that. the movie born in east L.A. not entirely fiction.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39180275/ns/us_news-immigration_a_nation_divided/)
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I maybe wrong but doubtful all states may require the long form and still cannot disqualify other forms of birth cert.. due to the fact not everyone has the long form. pretty darn sure alot of state has digital only . the bill it`s self concedes this fact.
*NO* state requires the "long form" for anything and very few states actually keep the "long form" for any length of time.
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ok
half right
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i would like to know how easy it is to get a short form birth certificate
is it just two parents "swaring" and a notary?
because going forward with all the illegal mexicans this problem will
certainly arise again and again...and likely even more often.
we got millions of children that were brought over when
their law breaking non-american papasitos brought them over
and if they were not born here should not be allowed to
be President (even if they are US Citizens) per the US Constitution.
(http://www.hillbuzz.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/aa-dees-mexican-invasion-of-us2.jpg)
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i would like to know how easy it is to get a short form birth certificate
is it just two parents "swaring" and a notary?
because going forward with all the illegal mexicans this problem will
certainly arise again and again...and likely even more often.
we got millions of children that were brought over when
their law breaking non-american papasitos brought them over
and if they were not born here should not be allowed to
be President (even if they are US Citizens) per the US Constitution.
(http://www.hillbuzz.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/aa-dees-mexican-invasion-of-us2.jpg)
future Democrat Party Voters!
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future Democrat Party Voters!
yep...
and hopefully by the time they turn our
country into a country like they came from
I will either be:
#1. Dead of old age
or
#2. Living in a different country that is currently a part of the United States.
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61% of Americans - the largest amount ever -
now oppose "birthright citizenship" for illegal aliens!
In addition, 84% believe any government services should be denied to
anyone who can't prove citizenship - in a nation in which 71% of illegals already do.
So who is going to win here? La Raza, or the American People?
Contact your Reps and tell them to support HR140, the Birthright Citizenship Act!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/61_oppose_u_s_citizenship_for_children_born_to_illegal_immigrants (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/61_oppose_u_s_citizenship_for_children_born_to_illegal_immigrants)
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So what will define a citizen in the future?
One of my children was born in South Carolina, his birthcirtificate is wallet sized.
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So what will define a citizen in the future?
Hopefully the United States will make changes like most
of the developed world has already done and stop the
non-sense known as "anchor babies".
DEVELOPED NATIONS
Birthright Citizenship
YES:
Canada
United States
NO:
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Bermuda
Cyprus
Czech Republic
Denmark
Faroe Islands
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hong Kong
Iceland
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Japan
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Malta
Monaco
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
San Marino
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
South Korea
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan
United Kingdom
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i would like to know how easy it is to get a short form birth certificate
is it just two parents "swaring" and a notary?
because going forward with all the illegal mexicans this problem will
certainly arise again and again...and likely even more often.
we got millions of children that were brought over when
their law breaking non-american papasitos brought them over
and if they were not born here should not be allowed to
be President (even if they are US Citizens) per the US Constitution.
(http://www.hillbuzz.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/aa-dees-mexican-invasion-of-us2.jpg)
future Democrat Party Voters!
What is sad is that they are a natural GOP constituency. Drive by any day labor pick up area and tell me what culture predominates, looking for whatever work they can find in the private sector. They save, take care of their extended family, are fairly religious.
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DEVELOPED NATIONS
Birthright Citizenship
YES:
Canada
United States
NO:
Australia
Austria
[snip]
How simplistic. I know the Austrian laws, and most of Europe has similar laws. Being born of Austrian parents makes one an Austrian regardless of birthplace. Being born in Austria does not *automatically* confer citizenship, however, all that is required is to apply for citizenship if you were born there. So, you fill out some forms and voila, you're a citizen.
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What is sad is that they are a natural GOP constituency.
In some ways yes and in some ways no.
Yes they tend to be hard workers & family oriented.
But they also tend to be very poor, uneducated, low skilled,
and non-english speaking. Plus they are illegal so it really
should not matter whose constituency they best fit to.
The illegals need to get the hell out of my country!
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I am thinking that it is possible that the governor decided to veto these bills because they would be challenged in court,and defending them would eat up a lot of the state's money. Arizona is one of the more broke states at the moment.
What do the citizens get for $3 million if a bill gets ruled unconstitutional? Nothing!
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Having actually LIVED in Mexico for three years, I can assure you that Mexicans, especially those that come here, are in no way a "natural Republican constituency". Most go to mass on Easter and Christmas, if at all.
Carlos Slim, now he is a natural constituent of the GOP, but he is not interested in becoming an American.