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Re: Saddam is sentanced
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2006, 03:42:51 PM »
I commend the European Union for their stance on capital punishment. Many European nations have held this stance for years.

The Catholic Church also opposes capital punishment where life inprisonment is possible.
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Re: Saddam is sentanced
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2006, 05:02:25 PM »
Whew.

I was worried that he might beat the rap .


Imagine the riots resulting from Saddams aquittal?

The rest of the world knows this trial was a sham and the verdict announced to influence the US election

Hollow victory: The hanging of Saddam
By Ehsan Ahrari

The verdict on Saddam Hussein is in. He is guilty of "crimes against humanity" and is sentenced to death by hanging. His trial was generally regarded as devoid of fairness and was highly political. Even the timing of the announcement of the verdict was driven by the US mid-term elections.

The administration of US President George W Bush clearly hopes to reap benefit from the news for Republican candidates in Tuesday's election. The depth of the internal divisions in Iraq was


 

underscored by the fact that the Shi'ites started celebrating the news of the verdict, and the Sunnis became angry. Saddam may be hanged, but that is not going to make Iraq a livable place. The future of political stability, democracy and civility in Iraq is as bleak today as it was a few weeks ago.

The "war on terrorism" was triggered as a result of the manifestation of intense hatred by al-Qaeda of Americans and all that the lone superpower represented. Everything about the "war on terror" - real as well as imaginable - was about hate and about getting even. The US invasion of Afghanistan was a genuine expression of anger.

But the toppling of Saddam was about getting even. It had no relevance to the fiction that the Iraqi dictator possessed weapons of mass destruction or that he had connections with al-Qaeda. The Bush administration was never forgiven by the international community for manufacturing those grand fictions.

When Saddam was captured, it was widely believed that he would be hanged after a semblance of a fair trail. The question that was never asked was why Slobodan Milosevic, another brutal dictator and a perpetrator of equally bloody ethnic cleansing, was tried in the International Court of Justice but Saddam was not.

Everyone took for granted that the United States wanted to hang Saddam by orchestrating a public trial under its hand-picked judges inside Iraq. Even the notion of fairness toward him was pooh-poohed in the US. The argument was that the US-controlled Iraqi officials would be fair to him. No one really said it, but it is possible that the notion of fairness toward a brutal dictator was itself unambiguously unfair.

But that sort of frame of mind, even if it does not take away the humanity from those who were in charge of trying him, certainly diminishes them. And the highly questionable trial of the Iraqi dictator seems to have diminished all the concerned parties, the US government as well as the Iraqi government. Even the international community, by not insisting on a fair trial for the Iraqi tyrant, is no less responsible for the charade of justice in the Iraqi court. As one US source observed:
The trial, or circus as it sometimes seemed, transfixed Iraqis as controversy swirled around every twist: its opening day when an imperious Hussein declared that he was still president and challenged the legitimacy of "this so-called court", the slayings of two defense lawyers, the resignation of the chief judge and the naming of a successor and a hunger strike that led to Hussein's hospitalization for several days as the end neared.
President Bush could not contain his delight at the news of hearing Saddam's death sentence. He called the verdict "a milestone" and a success of the Iraqi people "to replace the rule of a tyrant with the rule of law". Iran and Kuwait also expressed their satisfaction with the verdict. These two countries had suffered most because of Saddam Hussein's adventurism in the 1980s and early 1990s.

When Saddam is hanged, the Shi'ites and the Kurds will have avenged the enormous number of atrocities that his regime committed against them. The Sunnis will sulk and will get even more bitter than they are today. They are likely to see the development as just another example of their unremitting "humiliation" as a religious sect.

They are likely to hate the Shi'ites and the Kurds as well as their occupiers, the Americans, even more severely. The Sunni insurgency is likely to intensify its pace, if that is possible given what is already happening in Iraq.

However, the hanging of Saddam is not likely to resolve the internal strife that is tearing apart Iraq as a society and as a polity. He has been utterly irrelevant to the future of his country for a long time. Now Iraq is a place where the United States is battling with Islamists, global jihadis, pan-Arabists and even the Shi'ites. This battle has far-reaching consequences for the Middle East as a region and for the US itself.

If the US is forced to withdraw from Iraq, its prestige is likely to suffer irreparable damage. The spillover effect of such a potential withdrawal is likely to be felt in Afghanistan, where the battle between the International Security Assistance Forces and the forces of al-Qaeda and the Taliban is steadily intensifying.

And Afghanistan is already a place, according to a US Central Intelligence Agency report leaked to the New York Times on Saturday, where President Hamid Karzai "has been significantly weakened by rising popular frustration with the American-backed government". The sad part is that most American politicians are pretty much oblivious to that ominous development.

Inside the United States, Iraq has become the ultimate symbol of the hubris of the neo-conservatives to establish America's hegemony. But some of their prominent members are already washing their hands of the original responsibility and ebullience with which they pushed for the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

Richard Perle, pejoratively referred to inside a number of circles in Washington as the "prince of darkness", is now placing the blame for failure in Iraq on the Bush administration. In an interview with the magazine Vanity Fair, he said that that the chief blame for this unfolding catastrophe should be placed on the devastating dysfunction within the administration.

He added, "The decisions did not get made that should have been. They didn't get made in a timely fashion, and the differences were argued out endlessly ... At the end of the day, you have to hold the president responsible ... I don't think he realized the extent of the opposition within his own administration, and the disloyalty."

Before Saddam is hanged come the charades of appeals and counter-appeals. But his fate was sealed the day he was captured. He had known it all along. That might be one reason he was putting up the show of defiance and utter contempt for his jailers and for the Iraqi government. Now the only purpose the former dictator seems to have is to go down as a defiant nationalist or even a martyr in the eyes of Iraqi Sunnis.

Ehsan Ahrari is the CEO of Strategic Paradigms, an Alexandria, Virginia-based defense consultancy. He can be reached at eahrari@cox.net or stratparadigms@yahoo.com. His columns appear regularly in Asia Times Online. His website: www.ehsanahrari.com.

(Copyright 2006 Asia Times Online Ltd. All rights reserved.

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Re: Saddam is sentanced
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2006, 05:46:13 PM »
<<His trial was generally regarded as devoid of fairness and was highly political. Even the timing of the announcement of the verdict was driven by the US mid-term elections.>>

That's all true.  It was actually comical - - they yanked out one judge in the middle of the trial because he appeared to be too friendly to Saddam.

However I don't see too many people getting behind this issue if only because Saddam really is a criminal and really deserves to die.  It just sucks that Bush, Rumsfeld, Condi and Cheney won't be strung up beside him.  They're bigger criminals by far and they'll not only walk, which happens all the time (everybody gets away with everything) but what's really infuriating, they'll be sanctimoniously pontificating about "justice" and a "new day dawning for Iraq" (over the graves of the 600,000 Iraqis they've tortured and bombed and shot to death) to the end of their days.  Every time you'll see their gloating, self-satisfied little faces on TV, you'll be reminded that they got away with massive murders and hanged a small-time guy for much lesser crimes.  Makes one wish for a real God.

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Re: Saddam is sentanced
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2006, 05:49:47 PM »
Makes one wish for a real God.


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No kidding?


Been offered one?

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Re: Saddam is sentanced
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2006, 06:09:57 PM »
<<Been offered one?>>

Got one, thanks.  Just feeling a little disappointed when He doesn't follow my advice.  With good reason, I'm sure.

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2006, 07:44:10 PM »
Good point, MT. I look back and sometimes praying for something and I am glad I didn't get it becuase it turned out it wouldn't have been good for me anyway.

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2006, 08:11:55 PM »
It isn't so much the prayers He doesn't answer, Professor, it's the thunderbolts He doesn't hurl.

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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2006, 09:50:08 AM »
Many times I look around and lament as Jeremiah did "Lord, Lord, why do the wicked prosper?"

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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2006, 06:54:16 PM »
Many times I look around and lament as Jeremiah did "Lord, Lord, why do the wicked prosper?"



Didn't the Lord tell Jerimya that he would not enjoy the process when he started smiteing the Wicked?