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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: chickencounter on November 14, 2006, 10:55:24 AM

Title: Quote of the Day
Post by: chickencounter on November 14, 2006, 10:55:24 AM
"Frankly, I'd like to see the government get out of war altogether and leave the whole field to private industry." - Joseph Heller: (1923-1999) US novelist
Title: Re: Quote of the Day
Post by: Plane on November 14, 2006, 01:50:32 PM
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10547-2005Apr22.html
Title: Re: Quote of the Day
Post by: yellow_crane on November 14, 2006, 03:11:20 PM
Heller obviously is one of the New Jews, the Sharon/Liberman Lemming Jew, whose closest species-level relative is the New-World-Order-confiscate-the-whole-planet Neocondus exploitatti of American fame.


Heller seems to approve, then, of the Bush Administration and the Neocon approach to war fighting in Iraq--the corporational structured war--that is, a well organized, well greased sales pitch (WMD, sales contest winner Condi's mushrooms, and even the sad self-sellings-out by Gen Powell), establishing and gridding a ready market (wealthy gadfly Bush shill Paul Bremer) and closing the deal--your and my brothers and sisters and kids dying while contract awardees mop up the money.

Course, as a consequence of all this privatization, we have now the largest corruptive purloining of funds in the history of the world.

Halliburton shall have to answer to Waxman to the tune of billions, should Waxman be able to end-run around Dem obstructionists (think Lieberman, and more generally, possilbly many of those Dems who strangely came to his rescue.)

In fact, all those corporations--Hallliburton, Brown and Root, Bechtel, Blackwater--who were spared any need to compete for the bids, and who were seemingly handpicked by Cheney and his oil baron buddies--will have to answer for sundry millions that are simply unaccounted for.

Like in all the Wagnerian tragedy scenarios surrounding us in this our lowest period in our history, our politicitans--who now are being heavilly spotlighted in order to keep the light on corporate piracy--will probably escape prosecution, since they were, after all, merely guilty of chronic neck-eye syndrome (looking the other way.)

If you or I went to Iraq and stole a blanket, we would be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  But that would be under military justice.  

Maybe that's the attraction for privatization--a route around justice.

Escaping justice is now the name of the game in Washington, D.C., and at the secretive boardrooms of several large corporations.

That seems to be, though still shrouded in mystic gloss-overs, very evident to anybody who witnessed the great voter rectification.  

The only thing really standing in the way would be the double-faced, coroporate owned Democrats.   (A sign would be the heroic Murtha replaced by Hoyer, who is swift-boating Murtha as we speak.)
Title: Re: Quote of the Day
Post by: _JS on November 14, 2006, 04:11:43 PM
Heller was making a tongue-in-cheek comment relating to Milo's enterprise in the novel.

If anything it is a scathing satire of capitalism taken to its extreme ends. Capitalism with no boundaries, no principles, and no allegiance to anything beyond the bottom line has Milo making deals with both the Allies and the Axis powers. He even has the Germans bomb his own squadron as part of a contracted mission. He is court-martialed but is acquitted after persuading the court that he is the epitome of what this war is about - the fight to further capitalism - the greatest of American values.

Heller isn't approving of modern day mercenaries. *sigh* Catch-22 was a masterpiece of satirical fiction.
Title: Re: Quote of the Day
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on November 14, 2006, 08:52:26 PM
"Frankly, I'd like to see the government get out of war altogether and leave the whole field to private industry." - Joseph Heller: (1923-1999) US novelist

Joseph Heller was not expressing his own views. This quote was from one of his characters, the freewheeling Milo Minderbinder in Catch-22. As has been pointed out, it is one of the greatest satirical novels ever written.
Title: Re: Quote of the Day
Post by: Lanya on November 14, 2006, 09:49:04 PM
"Frankly, I'd like to see the government get out of war altogether and leave the whole field to private industry." - Joseph Heller: (1923-1999) US novelist

Joseph Heller was not expressing his own views. This quote was from one of his characters, the freewheeling Milo Minderbinder in Catch-22. As has been pointed out, it is one of the greatest satirical novels ever written.


Funny, I always remembered his name as Milo Minderbender.   
It's hard to know what to take as satire these days, I find....