>>When government officials insult us with spin, they are doing it on our dime, which is supposed to be used to operate the government, not to hold news conferences to tell us what a fine job people on the public payroll are doing.<<
This government is out of control. Not just democrats, all of it. It has a will of it's own and it no longer answers to the people. Something needs to be done to stop this. How far are we ... the people ... willing to let this go?
This government is out of control. Not just democrats, all of it. It has a will of it's own and it no longer answers to the people. Something needs to be done to stop this. How far are we ... the people ... willing to let this go?
We're doing a lot more than that.
I suppose feeling superior is enough for some people.
Oh let's see... Audit the Federal Reserve amendment (http://reason.com/archives/2009/10/27/fed-up/singlepage)... 9.12 project (http://www.the912project.com/scenes-from-912/)... Not that long ago I saw people right here assuring me, in slightly different wording, that the Republican Party was going to become more libertarian because the people of the Tea Parties were going to make it so. But by all means, you keep right on thinking libertarians are getting nothing done.
Really? what have you done?
Really Prince? Recently I tried my best to invite you into the fold. It's you that continues to preen and posture as the all knowing, do nothing, outsider.
Audit the Federal Reserve amendment... 9.12 project...
| In the midst of California’s 2008–09 fiscal meltdown, with the impact of deluxe public pensions making daily headlines, the city of Fullerton nevertheless sought to retroactively increase the defined-benefit retirement plan for its city employees by a jaw-dropping 25 percent. What’s more, the Fullerton City Council negotiated the increase in closed session, outside public view. Under California’s open meetings law, known as the Brown Act, even legitimate closed-session items such as contract negotiations are supposed to be advertised so that the public has a clear idea of what’s being discussed. But the Fullerton agenda for that night only vaguely referred to labor negotiations. Four of the five council members—two Republicans and two Democrats—seemed to support the deal. But Republican Shawn Nelson, a principled advocate for limited government, didn’t appreciate the way the council was obscuring not only the legitimately secret details of the negotiations but the basic subject matter. He called me at the Register (where I worked at the time) and, without revealing details of the closed session, shared his concerns about the way the public had not been alerted. After I wrote about the secret, fiscally reckless deal, the recriminations came down in a hurry: on Shawn Nelson. Not surprisingly, the liberal council members were furious that the public had been informed about what was going on. But some conservative Republicans, including a prominent state senator, Dick Ackerman of Irvine, were angry as well, because Nelson’s willingness to talk embarrassed a Republican councilman whom the GOP was backing for re-election. When I later bumped into Ackerman at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, he laid into me about Nelson’s supposed violation of the Brown Act. Some officials and bloggers actually called for Nelson to be prosecuted. Local union mouthpieces and fellow council members portrayed the whistleblower as a common criminal, even though he was merely acting in the spirit of the open meetings law and showing the kind of fiscal responsibility you would hope to see in public officials. In its embarrassment, the city council voted against the deal at the last minute, but only after council members publicly chastised Nelson, accused me of libel, and vowed to come back for more when the timing was right. One Republican councilman couldn’t figure out what the fuss was all about, given that the council enhances public employee pay and pensions all the time. |
What is the relationship of libertarians to the 9.12 Project and what has that project accomplished?
H.R. 1207 is still in committee after almost a year.
In its embarrassment, the city council voted against the deal at the last minute, but only after council members publicly chastised Nelson, accused me of libel, and vowed to come back for more when the timing was right.
Saying a bill has plenty of support is not synonymous with claiming to have accomplished something, the bill is languishing in committee.
Resolutions are passed all the time proclaiming the virtues of truth justice and the American way and other than providing a feel good moment, change nothing.
What have the other Republicans done in this regard?
QuoteWhat have the other Republicans done in this regard?
Um Freed the slaves, gave women the vote, funded the creation of the internet.
But remember you are the one claiming that libertarians are contributing to the evolution of the country by enacting legislation or fostering movements that actually accomplish something.
Since when do you get to narrow the debate to limiting the size of government when the broader topic was accomplishments by the various political factions in this country.
The Republicans freed the slaves within 12 years of running their first candidate. They captured the White House within 4 years of running their first candidate.
The Libertarians have been fielding candidates since 1972 and the best showing they have had was capturing 1.1 percent of the vote in 1980.
I made no comment about the Tea Party movement,
but as far as i can tell they are not sitting in the bleachers passing judgment, they are marching in the streets.
Some officials and bloggers actually called for Nelson to be prosecuted. Local union mouthpieces and fellow council members portrayed the whistleblower as a common criminal, even though he was merely acting in the spirit of the open meetings law and showing the kind of fiscal responsibility you would hope to see in public officials.
Quote from: BT on January 12, 2010, 11:55:02 AM
Really? what have you done?
Oh let's see... Audit the Federal Reserve amendment... 9.12 project...
And you'll note, if you were paying attention, I have not been defending the Libertarian Party.
Quote from: BT on Today at 12:32:33 AM
I made no comment about the Tea Party movement,
I'm sure you didn't. You meant the libertarians were fostering some other movement that no one has mentioned yet.
Which means if you aren't defending the action arm of the philosophy then you are defending the philosophy itself, which is pretty much the role of the chattering class.
So you're just going to lie.
The repeated nonsense about doing nothing. You know, "if you aren't defending the action arm of the philosophy" (as if somehow the Libertarian Party are the only libertarians trying to accomplish anything) and basically the whole "libertarians aren't doing anything" bit. You know better, and yet you repeat this excrement over and over. Talking with you about it is clearly nothing but a waste of time.QuoteSo you're just going to lie.
Where is the lie?
If the Republican party were to change well enough to deserve the libertarian voter , who would we loose?
The repeated nonsense about doing nothing. You know, "if you aren't defending the action arm of the philosophy" (as if somehow the Libertarian Party are the only libertarians trying to accomplish anything) and basically the whole "libertarians aren't doing anything" bit. You know better, and yet you repeat this excrement over and over. Talking with you about it is clearly nothing but a waste of time.
So where is the lie and where are the accomplishments?
Goddamn, you can be dense sometimes.