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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: hnumpah on August 21, 2008, 12:04:28 PM
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WASHINGTON - Days after he cracked that being rich in the U.S. meant earning at least $5 million a year, Republican presidential candidate John McCain acknowledged that he wasn't sure how many houses he and his wealthy wife actually own.
"I think ? I'll have my staff get to you," McCain responded to a question posed by Politico, according to a story Thursday on the publication's Web site. "It's condominiums where ? I'll have them get to you."
Later, the McCain campaign told Politico that McCain and his wife, Cindy, have at least four in three states, Arizona, California and Virginia. Newsweek recently estimated the two owned at least seven properties.
On the campaign trail, McCain doesn't refer to his wife's wealth, estimated by some at $100 million and based on her late father's Arizona beer distributorship.
Democratic rival Barack Obama's campaign has been trying to make their wealth more widely known to blunt criticism that Obama is an elitist out of touch with ordinary Americans. Obama owns one house, the family home in Chicago, his campaign said.
According to her 2006 tax returns, Cindy McCain had a total income of $6 million. She has not released her 2007 returns, which she files separately from her husband. McCain's tax returns showed a total income of $405,409 in 2007.
In a forum last week with the Rev. Rick Warren, McCain was asked to define the word "rich" and to give a figure. After promoting his tax policies, McCain said: "I think if you are just talking about income, how about $5 million?" The audience laughed, and he added: "But seriously, I don't think you can ? I don't think seriously that ? the point is that I'm trying to make here, seriously ? and I'm sure that comment will be distorted ? but the point is that we want to keep people's taxes low and increase revenues."
Obama, asked the same question at the forum, said those making $250,000 and higher are in the top 3 to 4 percent and "doing well." Obama and his wife, Michelle, reported making $4.2 million in 2007.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_houses_2 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080821/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_houses_2)
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Is a guy really an elitist just because he doesn't know how many houses he and his wife own? Maybe he's just . . . well, . . . stupid.
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Maybe he's just . . . well, . . . stupid.
Or maybe the investment properties are actually owned by his wife's Trust.
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lol
I can`t top that at all
overall this election for me is not who will help this country.
to me its who will screw up the least
seriously neither has thrilled me
I hope everybody here know I`m not thrill with either party.
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Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses?
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Maybe he's just . . . well, . . . stupid.
Or maybe the investment properties are actually owned by his wife's Trust.
Gosh darnit Bt, will you stop being so rational & logical oy
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Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses?
At least he is not a doddering old idiot like McBush and if he earned that much $ he didnt need a convicted felon to get it, did he?
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He earned that much last year. He wasn't earning near that much when he entered into the sweetheart deal with Rezko to purchase his Hyde Park property.
It's all about the timeline.
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"At least he is not a doddering old idiot like McBush and if he earned that much $ he didnt need a convicted felon to get it, did he?"
I dunno, maybe we should ask ObamaWright, or ObamaCarter, or ObamaFarrakhan?
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He earned that much last year. He wasn't earning near that much when he entered into the sweetheart deal with Rezko to purchase his Hyde Park property.
It's all about the timeline.
Perhaps you could provide said timeline?
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-rezko-home-feb19,0,6690484.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-rezko-home-feb19,0,6690484.story)
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Maybe he's just . . . well, . . . stupid.
Or maybe the investment properties are actually owned by his wife's Trust.
Not even the Geriatric Outoftouch Philanderers campaign were dumb enough to use this lame excuse. It would have made it worse since most folks dont have 7 or 8 houses to put into a trust.
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Apparently Knute, missed a prior post of mine, where a therapy assistant, who makes less than I do, has multiple investment homes, sometimes forgetting how many
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-rezko-home-feb19,0,6690484.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-obama-rezko-home-feb19,0,6690484.story)
There isnt much of a timeline there. BTW the Obama's didnt make $4 million in 2005 but did make nearly $1 million in 2006 http://obama.3cdn.net/b689982572ef6e7ad4_mlbzaoxb2.pdf (http://obama.3cdn.net/b689982572ef6e7ad4_mlbzaoxb2.pdf) and probly about the same in 2005 which was still enough to buy the house on his own. (You guys cant stand for anyone else to have anything)There is no proof that there was any connection in this transaction , but there is proof that the Geriatric outoftouch Philanderer cant remember how many houses he & his wife own.
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Apparently Knute, missed a prior post of mine, where a therapy assistant, who makes less than I do, has multiple investment homes, sometimes forgetting how many
I must admit that I do not pay much attention to your posts since they are usually pointless , off topic and inane. Your therapy assistant might also be married to an heiress he dumped his loyal wife who waited over 5 years for him and might also have Alzheimer's like McSame .
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Which would be "no" to all your above meritless assumptions
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Which would be "no" to all your above meritless assumptions
I should believe a proven pathological liar like you?
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I'm sorry, I've already supassed my alloted responses to the class fungus-covered assortment of nauseating penguin guano clown, for the month
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<<Not even the Geriatric Outoftouch Philanderers campaign were dumb enough to use this lame excuse. It would have made it worse since most folks dont have 7 or 8 houses to put into a trust.>>
Which kinda reminds me, if they were in her name, for her personal use and the use of her dependent family members, why weren't they just put in her own name, why were they put in a trust anyway?
Could it be that Cindy McCain is seeking to avoid paying taxes on her wealth, even though she can easily afford to pay them? If she pays less taxes on the homes than the average homeowner who DOESN'T put his or her own home into a trust, are the homes receiving less in the way of municipal services, like water, utilities, street cleaning, sewage removal, police and fire protection? I don't think so. How is it then that old Cindy is getting more protection and services for less money than the average citizen pays? A little chart, showing the dollars paid in taxes for each of Cindy's homes per dollar of services and protection received, and then a comparison chart for the average homeowner. Could be very instructive.
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Which kinda reminds me, if they were in her name, for her personal use and the use of her dependent family members, why weren't they just put in her own name, why were they put in a trust anyway?
Could it be that Cindy McCain is seeking to avoid paying taxes on her wealth, even though she can easily afford to pay them? If she pays less taxes on the homes than the average homeowner who DOESN'T put his or her own home into a trust, are the homes receiving less in the way of municipal services, like water, utilities, street cleaning, sewage removal, police and fire protection? I don't think so. How is it then that old Cindy is getting more protection and services for less money than the average citizen pays? A little chart, showing the dollars paid in taxes for each of Cindy's homes per dollar of services and protection received, and then a comparison chart for the average homeowner. Could be very instructive.
You obviously have no understanding of the purpose of trusts.
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Which kinda reminds me, if they were in her name, for her personal use and the use of her dependent family members, why weren't they just put in her own name, why were they put in a trust anyway?
Could it be that Cindy McCain is seeking to avoid paying taxes on her wealth, even though she can easily afford to pay them? If she pays less taxes on the homes than the average homeowner who DOESN'T put his or her own home into a trust, are the homes receiving less in the way of municipal services, like water, utilities, street cleaning, sewage removal, police and fire protection? I don't think so. How is it then that old Cindy is getting more protection and services for less money than the average citizen pays? A little chart, showing the dollars paid in taxes for each of Cindy's homes per dollar of services and protection received, and then a comparison chart for the average homeowner. Could be very instructive.
You obviously have no understanding of the purpose of trusts.
Cut the man some slack -- he's from Canada. If he were from Poland you would have a good point.
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His country of origin matters not.
What matters is he continual posting of misinformation.
His credibility is at issue. Nothing more.
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IMHO, his "credibility" can't get much lower, following all the Bush lied us into war & Bush stole the election garbage. These other tangents of misinformation & misrepresentation, are merely SOP, at this point
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<<You obviously have no understanding of the purpose of trusts.>>
Duly chastised by the resident expert here, I rushed to educate myself to remove the stain of total ignorance which had been witheringly cast upon me.
http://www.jdpower.com/insurance/articles/Charitable-Remainder-Trusts- (http://www.jdpower.com/insurance/articles/Charitable-Remainder-Trusts-)
Just google "benefits of trusts of real estate" and you will find enough material to keep you busy all weekend. As I suspected, even simple trusts convey substantial tax benefits as the above JD Power site indicates, primarily savings in estate taxes on the death of the owner. I didn't bother to research the added benefits of an off-shore trust, which is certainly within the means of Cindy Powell.
I next turned my attention to slurs upon my credibility cast upon me by The Great Man's resident echo and yes-man, sirs, himself an impressive tower of rectitude, vast knowledge and unassailable fact and logic. His Echoship opined that I had already "lost my credibility" even before The Great Man's castigation of my lamentable ignorance, as a result of claiming that Bush had lied the country into war and stolen the election. The shock of the accusations, coming as they did from so eminent a source, left me stunned and shaken. The loss of credibility over the stolen election issue was not too bad, as it entailed only a personal loss to me, and the total loss of Vanity Fair's and its three investigative journalists' credibility, no doubt ruining all four of us for life once sirs publishes his findings, but the loss of credibility over the "Bush lied the nation into war" was of course much more serious, impeaching as it does not only myself but a large majority of the American public who now believe pretty much the same thing. We have here, thanks to the penetrating insight of Little Sir Echo, an indictment of an entire nation's credibility. A Nation of Liars, so to speak. And this can't be good. For anyone.
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If she pays less taxes on the homes than the average homeowner who DOESN'T put his or her own home into a trust, are the homes receiving less in the way of municipal services, like water, utilities, street cleaning, sewage removal, police and fire protection? I don't think so. How is it then that old Cindy is getting more protection and services for less money than the average citizen pays? A little chart, showing the dollars paid in taxes for each of Cindy's homes per dollar of services and protection received, and then a comparison chart for the average homeowner. Could be very instructive.
That was your statement.
You have not shown where trusts provide protection against property taxes, and that is simply because trusts are not designed to do that.
Try to keep it honest.
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If she pays less taxes on the homes than the average homeowner who DOESN'T put his or her own home into a trust, are the homes receiving less in the way of municipal services, like water, utilities, street cleaning, sewage removal, police and fire protection? I don't think so. How is it then that old Cindy is getting more protection and services for less money than the average citizen pays? A little chart, showing the dollars paid in taxes for each of Cindy's homes per dollar of services and protection received, and then a comparison chart for the average homeowner. Could be very instructive.
That was your statement. You have not shown where trusts provide protection against property taxes, and that is simply because trusts are not designed to do that. Try to keep it honest.
I'm afraid you have to consider the source, Bt :-\
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(Too late to get this in before sirs' echoes his master's voice with the Amen Chorus, but anyway . . . )
<<You have not shown where trusts provide protection against property taxes, and that is simply because trusts are not designed to do that.>>
Ooooops, big mistake on my part. The trusts are designed to avoid estate taxes, not property taxes. That makes all the difference.
<<Try to keep it honest.>>
Sorry, boss. Try to avoid pointless nit-picking. It just gets sirs all excited.
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Ooooops, big mistake on my part. The trusts are designed to avoid estate taxes, not property taxes. That makes all the difference.
It certainly shows the falsehood of your claim.
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I'm sorry, I've already supassed my alloted responses to the class fungus-covered assortment of nauseating penguin guano clown, for the month
Thanx for the compliment. And besides, rental properties are not at all like homes.One might remember where they lived if they had a brain.
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A lot of Senators and other high level officials who own propertys and have wealth put the management of the wealth on other hands to free up their time and reduce their connection to conflicts of intrest.
The most extreme means is a "blind trust" in which a hired manager is buying and selling litterally blind ,without any knoledge of the owner.
It has been said that a rapid way to make a small fortune is to put a large fortune into a blind trust.
McCain was "got" by a "gotcha " question , which is bound to happen , it pays the press to trip up the canadate , but I can imagine that the next day a whole lot of brokers got calls from Legislators all over the country , needing a quick house count.
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>McCain was "got" by a "gotcha " question , which is bound to happen , it pays the press to trip up the canadate , but I can imagine that the next day a whole lot of brokers got calls from Legislators all over the country , needing a quick house count.<
Yup & ya gotta think quick if you wanna be POTUS and the old guy just doesnt seem up to it now, does he?
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Yup & ya gotta think quick if you wanna be POTUS and the old guy just doesnt seem up to it now, does he?
I think his answer was appropriate. He said he would have his staff get back to the reporter.
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He was also right out of the box on what our position regarding the Russia/Georgia debacle was.....something much more intimate to what a POTUS should demonstrate, than the # of homes his Wife's trust owns. Obama took.......how long was it it again? A week? Ya, way to "think quick", Obama
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<<I think his answer was appropriate. He said he would have his staff get back to the reporter.>>
That's EXACTLY the point. Ask anyone else how many homes he or his wife owns, you don't need to wait for the staff to get back to you. And everyone knows that.
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That's EXACTLY the point. Ask anyone else how many homes he or his wife owns, you don't need to wait for the staff to get back to you. And everyone knows that.
Please.
Kerry didn't even know he owned SUV's. Actually claimed he didn't. Apparently he forgot about the ones in Colorado.
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Yup & ya gotta think quick if you wanna be POTUS and the old guy just doesnt seem up to it now, does he?
I think his answer was appropriate. He said he would have his staff get back to the reporter.
Which means he doesnt know or is outoftouch which is the point. Besides , according to you , perception is everything and most folks perceive him to be a rich , otoftouh old dodderer now.
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Which means he doesnt know or is outoftouch which is the point.
There is an old saying. You don't have to know all the answers, you just have to know how to find them.
It's like when you ask a question of a sales person, you don't want them making up stuff as they go along, you want the right answers even if you have to wait. Presidential campaigns, ad campaigns , what is the difference?
Not only did he ace the question, but he also followed up as promised.
Can't beat that.
Meanwhile when Obama is asked a question he says it is above his pay grade , which is akin to a counter clerk putting up the break sign just as you come to the window.
So let's look at perception again.
McCain is an eager sales person appreciative of your business.
Obama is a clerk at the DMV.
Who do you choose?
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Which means he doesnt know or is outoftouch which is the point.
There is an old saying. You don't have to know all the answers, you just have to know how to find them.
It's like when you ask a question of a sales person, you don't want them making up stuff as they go along, you want the right answers even if you have to wait. Presidential campaigns, ad campaigns , what is the difference?
Not only did he ace the question, but he also followed up as promised.
Can't beat that.
Meanwhile when Obama is asked a question he says it is above his pay grade , which is akin to a counter clerk putting up the break sign just as you come to the window.
So let's look at perception again.
McCain is an eager sales person appreciative of your business.
Obama is a clerk at the DMV.
Who do you choose?
That is your perception. Mine is that McCain is a rich pampered asshole (just like the Bushidiot)who is used to his staff doing everything for him while Obama is a man who has experienced both the worst and best this country has to offer and wants to help others have the same chance as he regardless of their class, color or riches. McCain only wants to help the richest. Again like the Bushidiot. I chose Obama.
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I chose Obama.
For the country's sake i hope the job isn't above his pay grade.
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I chose Obama.
For the country's sake i hope the job isn't above his pay grade.
You do know he was referring to God when he said that . I know y'all think you know as much as God, but real people dont.
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You do know he was referring to God when he said that
really? I thought he was just dodging the question.
So is Obama a fundi? Thought your type didn't like that type.
Wall of separation and all that.
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You do know he was referring to God when he said that
really? I thought he was just dodging the question.
So is Obama a fundi? Thought your type didn't like that type.
Wall of separation and all that.
No- Fundi's are arrogant enough to think they can totally understand and represent God's will on earth . People with brains are not that arrogant and realize that there are things beyond a mere humans comprehension. In other words we are not arrogant assholes like y'all.
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No- Fundi's are arrogant enough to think they can totally understand and represent God's will on earth . People with brains are not that arrogant and realize that there are things beyond a mere humans comprehension. In other words we are not arrogant assholes like y'all.
So why would lawyers and judges interpret God's will. Obama is a lawyer right? He has published oipinions on the rights of the fetus hasn't he? Harvard Law Review I believe.
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No- Fundi's are arrogant enough to think they can totally understand and represent God's will on earth . People with brains are not that arrogant and realize that there are things beyond a mere humans comprehension. In other words we are not arrogant assholes like y'all.
So why would lawyers and judges interpret God's will. Obama is a lawyer right? He has published oipinions on the rights of the fetus hasn't he? Harvard Law Review I believe.
Lawyers specialize in man's law.Not God's.
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Lawyers specialize in man's law.Not God's.
And man's law prevails in a secular society.
So why did he dodge the question?
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You'll have to explain to me - - what does Kerry knowing or not knowing if he owns SUVs have to do with McCain not knowing how many homes he or his wife own?
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<<Kerry didn't even know he owned SUV's. Actually claimed he didn't. Apparently he forgot about the ones in Colorado. >>
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You'll have to explain to me - - what does Kerry knowing or not knowing if he owns SUVs have to do with McCain not knowing how many homes he or his wife own?
Both incidents were jumped on by the press and partisans as examples of deficiencies in the opposing candidates.
And in both cases, in the end, it meant nothing and the losers in credibility were those who tried to make the incident more than it was. the press and the partisans.
Houses, cars .... it don't mean nothing.
The big question is this. Do you trust either candidate to make acceptable decisions on your behalf. That is what representative democracy is all about. Having an itemized list of your spouses assets is not an indicator of that capability.
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<<The big question is this. Do you trust either candidate to make acceptable decisions on your behalf. That is what representative democracy is all about. Having an itemized list of your spouses assets is not an indicator of that capability.>>
Sorry, I don't buy it. There's no need for an "itemized list" but everyone I know knows how many houses he owns and how many houses his wife owns. Not knowing indicates extreme stupidity, Alzheimers, or, most likely, just plain lying. Not exactly what supporters would expect of the "Straight Talk Express."
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Sorry, I don't buy it. There's no need for an "itemized list" but everyone I know knows how many houses he owns and how many houses his wife owns. Not knowing indicates extreme stupidity, Alzheimers, or, most likely, just plain lying. Not exactly what supporters would expect of the "Straight Talk Express."
Either that or his wifes business is his wifes business, just as his senate office is his senate office and not his wifes. I woud be more concerned if either couldf recite chapter and verse on their wives assets. Shows a preoccupation with Other Peoples Money.
I notice that both you and Knute both are bordering on ageism when you keep implying that a man of 72 is automatically an Alzheimer candidate. That is not the case as Alzheimer's has more to do with genetics than it does chronological age. His mother doesn't have it. Why should he automatically have it.
Just another example of liberal tolerance i guess.
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<<Either that or his wifes business is his wifes business, just as his senate office is his senate office and not his wifes. >>
Another perfect example of living in some fantasy world where only other Republicans dwell. In the real world, a man knows his wife's business. Period. Especially when that "business" concerns the home or homes for which the man has paid over a quarter of a million for domestic help. It is ludicrous to claim, against everyone's own knowledge and life experience, that this guy doesn't know how many homes his wife owns. What is the point in reciting some absurd rubric such as "her business is her business" when, firstly, it's NOT, if he's paying a quarter mil for the domestic help, and secondly, life as most people experience it just doesn't work that way? Very few people would believe for a millisecond that he really doesn't know how many homes his wife owns.
<<I woud be more concerned if either couldf recite chapter and verse on their wives assets. Shows a preoccupation with Other Peoples Money.>>
Other people? It's his fucking WIFE, for chrissake. His wife is NOT "Other People." Just another example of your total divorce from the real world.
<<I notice that both you and Knute both are bordering on ageism when you keep implying that a man of 72 is automatically an Alzheimer candidate. >>
That's OK. It's only to counter-balance your anti-intellectualism when you keep implying that a man who taught Constitutional Law for 12 years at a top-flight law school and could edit the Harvard Law Review lacks the "experience" to deal with the "real world."
<<That is not the case as Alzheimer's has more to do with genetics than it does chronological age. His mother doesn't have it. Why should he automatically have it.>>
Alzheimer's is a metaphor for being an old fart with antiquated ideas who is resistant to change and has never had a new idea in the last thirty years.
<<Just another example of liberal tolerance i guess. >>
If it's an example of anything, it's of calling a spade a spade.
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If it's an example of anything, it's of calling a spade a spade.
And we move on to racism.
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Alzheimer's is a metaphor for being an old fart with antiquated ideas who is resistant to change and has never had a new idea in the last thirty years.
And you know this how. Was McCain Feingold an old idea or was it the right packaging at the right time?
See this is the problem.
Obama is running as the anti-politician. He insists he intends to keep to the high road. He is the presumptive nominee for that reason and hat reason alone.
But apparently that claim was a lie.
You have no intention of keeping the high road. Knute doesn't know where the high road is, and Obama picks Biden simply so he can have a surrogate attack dog with insider credibility.
Here's to the old boss, same as the new boss.
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<<You have no intention of keeping the high road. Knute doesn't know where the high road is, and Obama picks Biden simply so he can have a surrogate attack dog with insider credibility.>>
There IS no high road in this game. Obama was starting to lose ground to McCain's dirty tricks, now it looks like the tide is going to turn. This issue isn't who's a dirtier fighter (Swift-Boating makes that irrelevant) but who's the more vulnerable to the mud being thrown.
<<Here's to the old boss, same as the new boss.>>
I'm hoping Obama's not really a scumbag, but just doing what he needs to be done to get elected. McCain I KNOW is a scumbag. That's the difference.
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There IS no high road in this game.
Why not?
Obama was starting to lose ground to McCain's dirty tricks, now it looks like the tide is going to turn.
What dirty tricks. McCain didn't schedule Obama's premature coronation tour. Obama did. McCain didn't have Obama set his pay grade. Obama did.
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<<Why not?>>
Why not? Just look around this newsgroup. There's already a video posted of some guy claiming he sucked off Obama in a limo, someone dug up a half-brother of Obama living in a shack in Kenya and sirs and Kramer want to take up a collection for him all this following on the Swift-Boating of the last election and you wanna know why not? Because of the Republicans, that's why not.
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Oh.
Obama is being borked? or is it Thomas'd.
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sirs and Kramer want to take up a collection for him all this following on the Swift-Boating of the last election and you wanna know why not?
Care to provide that quote??....the one where I'm taking up some collection??...................lemme help you out, that'd be another of your lies
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<<Obama is being borked? or is it Thomas'd.>>
I wouldn't call it bork'd or Thomas'd. Unless I missed something somewhere? Any guy make a video claiming they'd sucked off Bork or Thomas in a limo? Or snorted coke with them? All I can remember about Bork was he got trashed for being an ideologue who probably wouldn't keep his ideology out of his judicial decisions and Thomas was obviously trashed for (a) talking dirty to Anita Hill, who actually didn't want to go forward with the accusations but nevertheless presented a pretty decent case when subpoena'd for the anti-Thomas faction, (b) being an enthusiast of Long Dong Silver porno movies at a time when pornography legislation was coming under attack in the courts and (c) being pretty much of an unqualified moron, which he has amply confirmed since his "elevation" by being rightly afraid to open his mouth in court.
Not only is Obama the object of one of the dirtiest campaigns in U.S. history, but my prediction is that it's going to get one hell of a lot worse. McCain of course will continue to act like sugar wouldn't melt in his mouth, while his anonymous supporters just fire up the shit-throwing machines and slime away. It's a one-two punch that just might land the old fart in the Oval Office, unless Biden can do something about it.
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Not only is Obama the object of one of the dirtiest campaigns in U.S. history
Nonsense.
McCain pokes fun at Obama's celerity and his supprters get all wobbly trying to paint the ad as racist.
You might have a problem with a white man being associated with two blonde white women, but most republicans i know got the ad for what it was.
BTW you notice where Obama is distancing himself from all the celebs jetting in for the dem festivities?
Wonder why.
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<<McCain pokes fun at Obama's celerity and his supprters get all wobbly trying to paint the ad as racist.
<<You might have a problem with a white man being associated with two blonde white women, but most republicans i know got the ad for what it was.>>
Yeah, I know what they said. They're the biggest fucking hypocrites on earth, so it's no surprise, but most people can understand why Obama was linked to two slutty blondes in the video and they don't need any Republican lies to help them figure it out either.
<<BTW you notice where Obama is distancing himself from all the celebs jetting in for the dem festivities?>>
No, I didn't. No fucking on the picnic tables, eh? How's he manage to restrain his raging animal lusts? Is he under sedation?
<<Wonder why. >>
I wonder why he'd feel compelled to. He made a big mistake not tackling the racist video head-on. He and Michelle shoulda blasted McCain side-by-side, called the racist pig on it and had all their surrogates, white AND black, denounce it. But he opted for the "don't make waves" approach. HUGE mistake. IMHO.
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No, I didn't. No fucking on the picnic tables, eh? How's he manage to restrain his raging animal lusts? Is he under sedation?
You must have a problem with Negroes.
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<<You must have a problem with Negroes. >>
Oh, a HUGE problem. Because I'm a racist. Big-time. And the Republican Party is not racist. And the South is not racist. And Obama's an elitist. But McCain and Cindy are just plain folks. And McCain's a "maverick." What else did I leave out? Oh yeah, it takes more brain-power to pilot a jet than to teach Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago for twelve years and graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law. JohnKerry didn't earn his medals and is a traitor to his nation. "Islamofascists hate us for our freedoms." Mission Accomplished. We can't wait for Saddam's Mushroom Cloud.
I guess once you get used to Bizarro World, you can get used to anything.
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I wonder why he'd feel compelled to. He made a big mistake not tackling the racist video head-on. He and Michelle shoulda blasted McCain side-by-side, called the racist pig on it and had all their surrogates, white AND black, denounce it. But he opted for the "don't make waves" approach. HUGE mistake. IMHO.
I severely wish BHO would start takeing MT advice.
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<<I severely wish BHO would start takeing MT advice.>>
I don't really know myself if I was advising or venting. Probably the latter. The fact that he took on Biden indicates a more conventional approach is needed.
The fact is that damn few Americans really give a shit about racism unless they're black themselves, but the blacks will vote for Obama anyway. The rest of them will get pissed off at a black guy screaming about racist attacks, because it disturbs the comfortable little fairy-tale they've constructed for themselves about racism being dead in America.
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I guess once you get used to Bizarro World, you can get used to anything.
Oh i must have misunderstood. Was it not you who introduced picnic tables and animal lust to the discussion. Was it not you who was incensed to see images of a black man juxtaposed with white women?
And you say denial is just a river in Egypt.
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<<Oh i must have misunderstood. Was it not you who introduced picnic tables and animal lust to the discussion. Was it not you who was incensed to see images of a black man juxtaposed with white women?>>
Yeah, I believe we've had this discussion once before. Was it not you who was totally deficient in a sense of irony? Was it not you who was unable to detect the difference between a racist and a parodist of a racist?
I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you of something that any intelligent grade 12 student would instantly recognize, so just simply to warn you, don't expect any further responses from me to your inane "Tee is a racist" drivel.
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Mikey I may be slow but i am quick enough to pick up the fact that you are the one who seems to have the problem with Negroes. Irony or not it is you who conjures up images of picnic tables and animal lust.
Not Me, not any other Republican, conservative or otherwise right leaning member of this forum.
You.
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Mikey I may be slow but i am quick enough to pick up the fact that you are the one who seems to have the problem with Negroes. Irony or not it is you who conjures up images of picnic tables and animal lust.
Not Me, not any other Republican, conservative or otherwise right leaning meber of this forum.
You.
I suppose it possible , sometimes the one at the center is the last to know.
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LOL - - have fun with this one, guys, cuz I'm not going anywhere near it. Enjoy yourselves.
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The first step towards recovery is acceptance. Avoid introspection if you must. Perhaps you just aren't ready to face your demons.
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<<Perhaps you just aren't ready to face your demons. >>
Yeah. That must be it.
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Yeah. That must be it.
Must be. we all know how those southern Canadians are.
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<<Perhaps you just aren't ready to face your demons. >>
Yeah. That must be it.
Bigots always accuse others of their sins.
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Bigots always accuse others of their sins.
And you and Mikey accuse a host of others of being racist. That must be a true statement.
Oh, yeah, ObInsult:
Thou unmuzzled flap-mouthed moldwarp.