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<<Here’s a sad monument to the sleaziness of this presidential campaign: Almost one-third of voters “know” that Barack Obama is a Muslim or believe that he could be.

<<In short, the political campaign to transform Mr. Obama into a Muslim is succeeding. The real loser as that happens isn’t just Mr. Obama, but our entire political process.

<<A Pew Research Center survey released a few days ago found that only half of Americans correctly know that Mr. Obama is a Christian. Meanwhile, 13 percent of registered voters say that he is a Muslim, compared with 12 percent in June and 10 percent in March.

<<More ominously, a rising share — now 16 percent — say they aren’t sure about his religion because they’ve heard “different things” about it.

<<When I’ve traveled around the country, particularly to my childhood home in rural Oregon, I’ve been struck by the number of people who ask something like: That Obama — is he really a Christian? Isn’t he a Muslim or something? Didn’t he take his oath of office on the Koran?

<<In conservative Christian circles and on Christian radio stations, there are even widespread theories that Mr. Obama just may be the Antichrist. Seriously.

<<John Green, of the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, says that about 10 percent of Americans believe we may be in the Book of Revelation’s “end times” and are on the lookout for the Antichrist. A constant barrage of e-mail and broadcasts suggest that Mr. Obama just may be it.

<<The online Red State Shop sells T-shirts, mugs and stickers exploiting the idea. Some shirts and stickers portray a large “O” with horns, above a caption: “The Anti-Christ.”

<<To his credit, Mr. McCain himself has never raised doubts about Mr. Obama’s religion. But a McCain commercial last month mimicked the words and imagery of the best-selling Christian “Left Behind” book series in ways that would have set off alarm bells among evangelicals nervous about the Antichrist.

<<Mr. McCain himself is not popular with evangelicals. But they will vote for him if they think the other guy may be on Satan’s side.

<<In fact, of course, Mr. Obama took his oath on the Bible, not — as the rumors have it — on the Koran. He is far more active in church than John McCain is.

<<(Just imagine for a moment if it were the black candidate in this election, rather than the white candidate, who was born in Central America, was an indifferent churchgoer, had graduated near the bottom of his university class, had dumped his first wife, had regularly displayed an explosive and profane temper, and had referred to the Pakistani-Iraqi border ...)

<<What is happening, I think, is this: religious prejudice is becoming a proxy for racial prejudice. In public at least, it’s not acceptable to express reservations about a candidate’s skin color, so discomfort about race is sublimated into concerns about whether Mr. Obama is sufficiently Christian.

<<The result is this campaign to “otherize” Mr. Obama. Nobody needs to point out that he is black, but there’s a persistent effort to exaggerate other differences, to de-Americanize him.

<<Raising doubts about a candidate based on the religion of his grandfather is toxic and profoundly un-American, cracking the melting pot we emerged from. Someday people will look back at the innuendoes about Mr. Obama with the same disgust with which we regard the smears of Al Smith as a Catholic candidate in 1928.

I’m writing in part out of a sense of personal responsibility. Those who suggest that Mr. Obama is a Muslim — as if that in itself were wrong — regularly cite my own columns, especially an interview last year in which I asked him about Islam and his boyhood in Indonesia. In that interview, Mr. Obama praised the Arabic call to prayer as “one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset,” and he repeated the opening of it.

<<This should surprise no one: the call to prayer blasts from mosque loudspeakers five times a day, and Mr. Obama would have had to have been deaf not to learn the words as a child. But critics, like Jerome Corsi, whose book denouncing Mr. Obama, “The Obama Nation,” is No. 2 on the New York Times best-seller list, quote from that column to argue that Mr. Obama has mysterious ties to Islam. I feel a particular obligation not to let my own writing be twisted so as to inflame bigotry and xenophobia.>>

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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2008, 04:07:59 PM »
So...what's the % of those that think Bush knew Saddam had no WMD, but took us to war anyways?  Be curious to compare each big lie's success
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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2008, 04:23:16 PM »
Doesn't help when he talks about his Muslim faith ..er Christian faith with George Stephanopolous.


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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2008, 04:40:53 PM »
Perhaps we should talk more about his pastor, Reverend Wright doesn't get enough mention anymore.

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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2008, 04:59:47 PM »
Perhaps we should talk more about his pastor, Reverend Wright doesn't get enough mention anymore.

Why?

How much mention would "enough mention" be?

They played that "God Damn America" tape loop over several hundred times.

Obama has repudiated Rev. Wright, Wright has retired and there is some scandal involving him.

Wright is not running for anything. Would guys like you shut the f*ck up about him if he died, or would he have to file a fiunal report from the fiery lakes of Hell?
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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2008, 05:04:40 PM »
A little touchy there, Xo?  Something hit a nerve?
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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2008, 05:06:29 PM »
Perhaps we should talk more about his pastor, Reverend Wright doesn't get enough mention anymore.

I actually met a crazy old lady who was a relative of my wife who truly believed that Obama was a Muslim( she also believed in the Illuminati- she really IS wacko) I asked her if Obama was such a big muslim , why was he in such trouble over his Christian minister. Didnt help . She is still nuts like the rest of you Rwers.

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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2008, 05:11:02 PM »
What's wrong with Rev. Wright?  "God damn America" hit the nail right on the head for anyone who believes "As ye sow, so shall ye reap." 

But I think it's only fair you also grill Palin's pastor.  Ask  him about dinosaurs for instance.  Or damnation and hell-fire for non-Christians.   What about adulterers?  Does her pastor have any thoughts on lying, cheating and adultery?

Maybe you could just skip the candidates altogether and get right to the nitty-gritty, their religious advisers.  That's be a much more worthwhile and informative campaign.  Have the four religious advisers debate each other in prime time and the winner gets a personal Get Out of Hell card free, to give to the candidate of his choice.

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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2008, 06:54:32 PM »
Perhaps we should talk more about his pastor, Reverend Wright doesn't get enough mention anymore.

Why?

How much mention would "enough mention" be?

They played that "God Damn America" tape loop over several hundred times.

Obama has repudiated Rev. Wright, Wright has retired and there is some scandal involving him.

Wright is not running for anything. Would guys like you shut the f*ck up about him if he died, or would he have to file a fiunal report from the fiery lakes of Hell?

I suppose it isn't enough if there are still people who think BHO is a Muslim, we need again to remind tham that he attended Reverend Wrights church for twenty years, apparently sleeping through the exciteing parts , but I can't criticise that too much because I have done that myself.

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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2008, 01:19:50 AM »
A little touchy there, Xo?  Something hit a nerve?

Not touchy at all. Wright is a buffoon, but he is a rejected buffoon. I fail to see any point of harping on him any more.

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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2008, 02:01:41 AM »
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Not touchy at all. Wright is a buffoon, but he is a rejected buffoon. I fail to see any point of harping on him any more.

Because nobody knows anything about Obama. He's been in the senate one active year and the other 2 years he's been running for president. Wright was his mentor and spiritual adviser. He sat in the man's church for 20 years listening to him spew and got mentored by him. He only rejected him when Wright's rants were made public, which is hardly noble.

Both of Obama's fathers were Muslims, and Obama was raised a Muslim when he lived in Indonesia, not that there is anything wrong with that. But it is his history, and I don't know why he is running from it.

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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2008, 02:30:05 AM »
Because nobody knows anything about Obama. He's been in the senate one active year and the other 2 years he's been running for president. Wright was his mentor and spiritual adviser. He sat in the man's church for 20 years listening to him spew and got mentored by him. He only rejected him when Wright's rants were made public, which is hardly noble.

Both of Obama's fathers were Muslims, and Obama was raised a Muslim when he lived in Indonesia, not that there is anything wrong with that. But it is his history, and I don't know why he is running from it.

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Obama has actually written a couple of books about his life, which tell more than enough. Unlike McCain, whose bok was ghostwritten, Obama's book was written by him.


I don't think he is running from any links to Islam, but neither Kenyans nor Indonesians tend to be fanatical about their religion.
He's not a Muslim  and has repeatedly identified himself as a Christian.

He is not running fropm this, but there are a lot of types chasing after him with the same false accusations.
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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2008, 03:13:19 AM »
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Obama has actually written a couple of books about his life, which tell more than enough.


Actually, his book is not even based on fact. If you read his book "Dreams of my Father" it is impossible to know what is fact and what is fiction.

Obama?s Dreams and Composite Characters

In 2004, political columnist Lynn Sweet investigated Obama?s ?Dreams of My Father? and was surprised by what she found.  Sweet wrote. ?I was dismayed at what I found when I read Dreams from My Father.  Composite characters.  Changed names...  Except for public figures and his family, it is impossible to know who is real and who is not.?


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Unlike McCain, whose bok was ghostwritten, Obama's book was written by him.

It may have been written by Obama, but it is largely fiction what he wrote. You are mistaken if you think you could have learned anything about him by this book. It is impossible to know what is real and what is not.


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I don't think he is running from any links to Islam, but neither Kenyans nor Indonesians tend to be fanatical about their religion.
He's not a Muslim  and has repeatedly identified himself as a Christian.


On his website, Obama has said that he is not and has never been a Muslim. This is not true, because he was raised a Muslim when he was younger. He was registered as a Muslim at his school in Indonesia and took courses studying the Koran.

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He is not running fropm this, but there are a lot of types chasing after him with the same false accusations.


He is running from it because he has lied about it. What is so bad about being raised a Muslim?

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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2008, 12:33:11 PM »
What exactly does "raised as a Muslim" mean?

Does it mean that he went to Koran memorization classes?
Does it mean that he went to the mosque every Friday? Only during Ramadan? Only for the Eid?

I think all this is in his book. I think he can say better than you can whether he was raised as a Muslim. What is the big deal?

I imagine that you would prefer that he would say that he was "raised as a Muslim', because you think it would lose votes for him. He would prefer to not accept your demand that he admit to this, especially since what the phrase means is subject to a great degree of interpretation. I don't think that this is as much your call as it is his call.

I could say you were raised by wild hyenas in the Serengeti, but I won't I will leave that entirely up to you.
I could say "what is wrong with admitting that you were raised by wild hyenas?" as well. But no. It's your call.

Obama is not a Muslim now. That is pretty much as much as anyone needs to know to vote for or against him, if that is their obsession.
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Re: Big Lie Slowly Succeeding - 13% Now Believe Obama Is Muslim, 16% Unsure
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2008, 12:53:30 PM »
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What is so bad about being raised a Muslim?

What does it have to do with anything? I was raised a Southern Baptist. I am an atheist.
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