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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Plane on September 04, 2016, 11:41:58 PM
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But Jill Stein is crazy.
I just heard her say that producing no greenhouse gas and less pollution would repay immediately with better health thus less health spending will fund changing our system of energy use to total green.
She also thinks Isis can be starved from here.
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http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/5-most-un-libertarian-positions-of-gary-johnson/3/
Johnson is not a purely pure Libertarian, ......
Oh well , who is?
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Pure Libertarianism would be as rare and unworkable as some sort of Pure Communism in which the State owned your toothbrush and your underwear. Johnson is a compromise, nominated because he was actually elected to something.
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http://reason.com/archives/2016/07/27/clinton-cash
The total hutzpah-chutzpa* circus that the Clinton team puts on is worthy of a show ticket, but what they charge makes the ticket to a hit Broadway show look really cheap.
With Hillary Clinton in charge no one will ever accuse us of having the best government that money can buy, because that much graft ought to buy much more competence.
*chutzpa is pronounced with a gargle
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But Jill Stein is crazy.
I would not press charges .
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/green-partys-jill-stein-charged-with-trespassing-mischief/ar-AAiBlCr?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=UE12DHP
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/10/clinton-says-half-all-trump-supporters-deplorables.html
Did I say Jill Stein was crazy?
Perhaps not in comparison with HRC.
She thinks half the country is either deplorable or ungrateful.
Supposing you be neither despicable nor ungrateful , do you have a reason to vote for Hillary R Clinton?
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http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/5-most-un-libertarian-positions-of-gary-johnson/3/
Johnson is not a purely pure Libertarian, ......
Oh well , who is?
I gave up on the libertarians when I realized that as much as they claim to hate the state, they don't hate it nearly as much as they hate the nation.
Open borders, indeed!
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It is probably good that Johnson can depart from the strictest Libertarian platform.
https://ballotpedia.org/Gary_Johnson_presidential_campaign,_2016/Immigration
Johnson is not for totally open borders , but he is pretty loose.
If I interpret his statements aright , he would only make an obstacle to immigrants with criminal history, all others he would welcome .
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We don't have open borders now. That is an absurd allegation.
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Who claimed we did, Professor literal? It's what the candidates would support, is the issue
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Trump claims he wants to put an end to "open borders", so his campaign must think that the borders are open.
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They are POURUS, as in highly open, but not completely open, Professor literal. Trump wants to close it up more. Messers Johnson & Clinton want to open them more
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I have not heard Clinton say one word about making the borders less secure. This is a notion that dwells in you mind, not reality. Trump is a blowhard who will never get his fucking wall, It is just a stunt to rile up the rabble at his Trump Rallies for Ignorami.
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I have...support of Obama's unconstitutional executive actions, a prime example. Anything that makes it easier or incentivizes people to cross illegally makes our borders less secure. It's a reality, that you and your ilk try to ignore, but its the reason Trump's numbers are so good on this issue, compared to Clinton
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What "unconstitutional actions"?
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The ones regarding immigration, that the courts knocked down, because he overstepped his constitutional limits
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That has NOTHING to do with the border at all.
There are more Border Patrolmen on the border now than ever before.
There are fewer people crossing illegally than ever before.
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That has NOTHING to do with the border at all.
I realize you're trying to make this ONLY about the border, in trying to play the literal card, and ignore the 500lb donkey in the room. POLICIES, PUSHED by Obama, OUTSIDE of his constitutional boundaries, and STRUCK DOWN BY THE COURTS, INCENTIVIZES people to cross ILLEGALLY. THAT MAKES THE BORDER LESS SECURE.
Policies like SANCTUARY CITIES, THAT OBAMA REFUSES TO SHUT DOWN, INCENTIVIZES still more to cross ILLEGALLY. It matters little if we have more Border Patrol, when they have little ability to stop the flood, making our border, EVEN LESS SECURE
Policies like PROTECTION from DEPORTATION, adds to the incentive to CROSS ILLEGALLY. Merely need to get by the Border Patrol, and whalaa....Federal protection. All these are OBAMA POLICIES that have made our border FAR LESS SECURE. These are all Policies that Clinton supports, if not wanting to EXPAND on them
And don't even get me started on the Syrian refugee garbage
There are fewer people crossing illegally than ever before
Fewer Mexicans perhaps....FAR more of everyone else. And we're no where near "than ever before", since the facts demonstrate illegal immigration today is nearly double what it was in 1995
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If you had facts, you would provide them.
But you have none.
And you should use 2008 as your base set of facts, since you are blaming Obama and he had nothing to do with immigration from 1995 to 2008.
Congress has not given Obama the funds to expel more illegals. He has, however, expelled more than Juniorbush, and he has also put more Border Patrolmen on the job.
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They have been provided....multiple times. You simply ignore them. But I have to love the pivot. We went from a supposed situation where Obama has the border wonderfully secure with all sorts of Border agents, to one where its not secure, because the dastardly Republicans haven't given him the tax monies to do his job. Gotta love it when a liberal can't keep his rationalizations in order.
And no he hasn't expelled more than Bush. He simply redfined who's expelled vs not
Here's a hint, if you're going to erroneosly refer to illegal immigration being "fewer than EVER before", then you can't use Obama as your time to start that clock. And factually standing, the number of illegal immigration under Obama is nearly the same, since he took office. Hardly "fewer than ever before"
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Said the non authority, demonstrating zero proof.
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What proof are you in need of having repeated, so that you can ignore again?
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You are just lazy.(http://i63.tinypic.com/2961w8g.jpg)
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So, .... still waiting for what you believe I'm making up. Planning on providing that, or is my statement to be accepted as is? Perhaps your lack of being able to provide such a response is your grasp of the actual facts, you'd rather not have repeated here again. That would explain the ridiculous deflective pic
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Didn't think so. Appreciate the validation 8)