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How long would it take?
« on: November 06, 2012, 04:56:20 PM »


if you divided the US in half and put Romney in charge of one half and Obama in charge of the other half, how long before the democrats start building tunnels over to the republican side?
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Re: How long would it take?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2012, 11:07:19 PM »
This seemsto be a very silly question by someone who really needs a map.
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Re: How long would it take?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2012, 11:48:23 PM »
"This seems to be a very silly question by someone who really needs a map."

Or better yet, a nap.


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Re: How long would it take?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 01:06:41 PM »
The whole question is totally deceptive, as it seems to suppose that there are no Democrats in Wyoming or Republicans in California. The Electoral College and its stupid winner-take-all rule causes the less mentally able to assume that a "red state" has 100% Republicans and a "blue state" has 100% Democrats.

sirs would move to Wyoming or Alaska, if it were impossible for a right-winger to exist in a blue state. There are a many more reasons to stay put than politics in the lives of most Americans.
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Re: How long would it take?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2012, 01:11:03 PM »
it wouldn't take long for the leeches to dig the tunnels
gimme a handicap parking sticker
gimme some disability
gimme gimme gimme gimme
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Re: How long would it take?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2012, 02:38:47 PM »
That is simply an insane way to look at it.

This country is not divided as you suggest,and never will be. And people do not leave home just to sponge off others.

Just to note one example, Mississippi has lots of poor people and really crappy benefits. Connecticut and other states have good benefits. How many Mississippians head for CT just to live off the bennies? I doubt that a ticket on the Greyhound bus could cost all that much.

Very few migrate.
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Re: How long would it take?
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2012, 01:07:12 PM »
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The Electoral College and its stupid winner-take-all rule

I don't think that is a federal level rule, or something written in the constitution.

I think that is set at the state level.

Else how does N.H. get to split theirs?

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Re: How long would it take?
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2012, 01:25:41 PM »
Winner take all is going to appeal to whatever political party is in charge of most state legislatures. It simply isn't fair or democratic, but unless every state ends it, most states will insist that it be kept because it benefits their party. The Electoral College itself allows the state parties to bestow the title of elector on those who they wish to reward (for service, money or both) But neither the EC nor winner take all benefits the country or the citizens.

I think it is Maine and Nebraska that allow something other than Winner Take All.

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Re: How long would it take?
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2012, 01:29:40 PM »
William C. Kimberling, Deputy Director FEC Office of Election Administration

Electoral Law Links:
Home
The Constitution
U.S. Code (3 U.S.C.)
Precedents
This Document is also available in PDF format

In order to appreciate the reasons for the Electoral College, it is essential to understand its historical context and the problem that the Founding Fathers were trying to solve. They faced the difficult question of how to elect a president in a nation that:

was composed of thirteen large and small States jealous of their own rights and powers and suspicious of any central national government
contained only 4,000,000 people spread up and down a thousand miles of Atlantic seaboard barely connected by transportation or communication (so that national campaigns were impractical even if they had been thought desirable)
believed, under the influence of such British political thinkers as Henry St John Bolingbroke, that political parties were mischievous if not downright evil, and
felt that gentlemen should not campaign for public office (The saying was "The office should seek the man, the man should not seek the office.").

How, then, to choose a president without political parties, without national campaigns, and without upsetting the carefully designed balance between the presidency and the Congress on one hand and between the States and the federal government on the other?
Origins of the Electoral College

The Constitutional Convention considered several possible methods of selecting a president.

One idea was to have the Congress choose the president. This idea was rejected, however, because some felt that making such a choice would be too divisive an issue and leave too many hard feelings in the Congress. Others felt that such a procedure would invite unseemly political bargaining, corruption, and perhaps even interference from foreign powers. Still others felt that such an arrangement would upset the balance of power between the legislative and executive branches of the federal government.

A second idea was to have the State legislatures select the president. This idea, too, was rejected out of fears that a president so beholden to the State legislatures might permit them to erode federal authority and thus undermine the whole idea of a federation.

A third idea was to have the president elected by a direct popular vote. Direct election was rejected not because the Framers of the Constitution doubted public intelligence but rather because they feared that without sufficient information about candidates from outside their State, people would naturally vote for a "favorite son" from their own State or region. At worst, no president would emerge with a popular majority sufficient to govern the whole country. At best, the choice of president would always be decided by the largest, most populous States with little regard for the smaller ones.

Finally, a so-called "Committee of Eleven" in the Constitutional Convention proposed an indirect election of the president through a College of Electors.
The function of the College of Electors in choosing the president can be likened to that in the Roman Catholic Church of the College of Cardinals selecting the Pope.

The original idea was for the most knowledgeable and informed individuals from each State to select the president based solely on merit and without regard to State of origin or political party.

 http://www.skweezer.com/s.aspx/-/electoralcollegehistory~com/electoral/fecmemo~asp




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Re: How long would it take?
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2012, 01:54:13 PM »
I am sure that it all made sense in 1790. I am familiar with all the justifications for it and have read a lot about it. The fact is that it makes no sense now.It is both obsolete and nondemocratic. It is too bad that it will probably not get changed soon.
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