What we have to fear from ID cards

[Lanya]

Good point, Kimba.

BT, there's no such provision in Ohio.  That would cost scads of money to have people come to nursing homes to give everyone photo IDs.   I did ask.

[BT]

 A machine, an employee  a driver and a van? What is so expensive about that.

It must cost the red cross a fortune to do blood drives at wal-mart if that is the case.

or ACORN to do a voter registration drive.

[BT]

Ohio ?3503.16(B)(1)(a) and 3505.18(A)(1)     All voters must provide to election officials at the polling place on the day of an election proof of the voter's identity.  Also applies to voters requesting and voting an absentee ballot.     Current and valid photo identification, defined as a document that shows the individual?s name and current address, includes a photograph, includes an expiration date that has not passed, and was issued by the U.S. government or the state of Ohio Current utility bill Current bank statement Current government check, paycheck or other government document     A voter who has but declines to provide identification may cast a provisional ballot upon providing a social security number or the last four digits of a social security number.  A voter who has neither identification nor a social security number may execute an affidavit to that effect and vote a provisional ballot.  A voter who declines to sign the affidavit may still vote a provisional ballot.

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/legismgt/elect/taskfc/voteridreq.htm

[Plane]

<<In Georgia, they would have come to the home and given her an ID on the spot, for free.>>

Just like that, huh?

Let me tell you how it would probably work in the real world.  Somebody comes from the state to some slum dwelling and sees an elderly black person who looks to them like 20,000,000 other elderly black people and starts asking who are you and how long have you lived here and who are these other people and where did you go to school and where are your kids and the elderly black person gets a little confused about some of the answers and on a good day they just might get the ID after an hour or two of insults, challenges, disbelief and hostility and on a bad day they might not.  They tell all their friends about the experience.  Some of the friends just don't want the hassle, particularly as they can expect that both they and their card will undergo a double round of hassles by Republican "poll-watchers" at the polling station.  Some of them just won't go for the double hassle.  And that's cool, because the Republicans aren't aiming to ELIMINATE the votes of the poor and black, just to dampen them down considerably, as much as they can.

  All in the name of fighing "voter fraud" which NOBODY knows the prevalence of.  With no evidence that photo ID can't be faked anyway, so that the real effect on "voter fraud" will probably turn out to be non-existent.  Basically, you have a phenomenon that has not been demonstrated in any credible survey to have any significant effect on any more than a small number of elections, and the issue has been hijacked to justify phony "anti-fraud" measures that actually and demonstrably disenfranchise the poor, the elderly, the black and the homeless.

All in the name of fighing "voter fraud" which NOBODY knows the prevalence of.

15%

that actually and demonstrably disenfranchise the poor, the elderly, the black and the homeless.

actually and demonstrably ?

Who has actually demonstrated anything like?

Let me tell you how it would probably work in the real world.  Somebody comes from the state to some slum dwelling and sees an elderly black person who looks to them like 20,000,000 other elderly black people ...

Why do you assume that the driver and photographer and administrator of the ID moble unit will all be white and unfreindly?

[BT]

WASHINGTON – On the eve of a hearing before the U.S. Supreme Court, the Indiana Voter ID law has become a story with a twist: One of the individuals used by opponents to the law as an example of how the law hurts older Hoosiers is registered to vote in two states.

    Faye Buis-Ewing, 72, who has been telling the media she is a 50-year resident of Indiana, at one point in the past few years also claimed two states as her primary residence and received a homestead exemption on her property taxes in both states.

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http://www.kpcnews.com/articles/2008/01/09/news/today/evening_star/doc478441f2313a5420740819.txt

[Seamus]

WASHINGTON ? On the eve of a hearing before the U.S. Supreme Court, the Indiana Voter ID law has become a story with a twist: One of the individuals used by opponents to the law as an example of how the law hurts older Hoosiers is registered to vote in two states.

    Faye Buis-Ewing, 72, who has been telling the media she is a 50-year resident of Indiana, at one point in the past few years also claimed two states as her primary residence and received a homestead exemption on her property taxes in both states.

.......

http://www.kpcnews.com/articles/2008/01/09/news/today/evening_star/doc478441f2313a5420740819.txt

Oh jeebus that's funny...