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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2006, 08:43:15 PM »
It really makes no difference whether TR "rejoined" the Republican Party sometime between when he ran as a Bullmoose Progressive, or whether George Wallace "never left" the Democratic Party, even after running agaist it on the American Independent ticket.

The face that Juniorbush was neither a conservative nor pragmatic doesnt; automatically make him worse that Al Gore, but it sure as hell  didn';t make him better, either.

I don't see where Gore would have invaded Iraq at all. I am sure that if he had, he would not have made anywhere close to the godawful trainwreck Juniorbush, Cheney, Rummy et al have.

George Dubya Bush. Worst President since Jefferson Davis. And he still has over two years to surpass Davis. Will he have to sneak out of the WH in women's clothing to avoid being arrested as Davis did?  Only time will tell.
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #46 on: November 14, 2006, 09:16:25 PM »
It really makes no difference whether TR "rejoined" the Republican Party sometime between when he ran as a Bullmoose Progressive, or whether George Wallace "never left" the Democratic Party, even after running agaist it on the American Independent ticket.

So, why did you bring it up?

The face that Juniorbush was neither a conservative nor pragmatic doesnt; automatically make him worse that Al Gore, but it sure as hell  didn';t make him better, either.

I considered Bush a better choice than Gore. It is a simple thing to understand.
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #47 on: November 14, 2006, 11:53:43 PM »
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2006, 12:45:10 AM »
I considered Bush a better choice than Gore. It is a simple thing to understand.

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Really. really REALLY BAD choice!

Worse still if you STILL think Juniorbush was a better choice.
My cat would have done a better job than Sockpuppet Juniorbush.

Worst president since Jefferson Davis.
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2006, 12:53:16 AM »
My cat would have done a better job than Sockpuppet Juniorbush.  Worst president since Jefferson Davis.

Yea, you keep saying that, as if your repeating some historical fact
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2006, 01:02:20 AM »
It is a historical fact.

Juniorbush is the worst.

Lower than whalesh*t, as they say in the Navy.
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2006, 01:24:00 AM »
It is a historical fact.  Juniorbush is the worst.  Lower than whalesh*t, as they say in the Navy.

 :D    feel better?  Come on Xo....let it all out
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2006, 07:16:18 AM »
Really. really REALLY BAD choice!

Nope. Gore would have been worse.
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #53 on: November 15, 2006, 09:56:10 AM »
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It means the Fed is responsible for what the constitution says its responsible for, and not what would be "nice" for the Fed to be responsible for

So the Republicans will be re-elected on removing Social Security completely? Medicare and Medicaid? That sounds like an election winner to me. ...You might get farther without the groupthink mentality.

See Js, when you start distorting as bad as knute, it's hard to take whatever else you say seriously.  When did "reform" = "removal"??  Perhaps we best stop our debate on this issue at this point.

Interesting. Read what you said and then my response Sirs. The constitution, as I'm sure any proud Libertarian will tell you, does not give specific authority to the Federal Government to conduct a Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid program. I was adding that to your opposition to the "organic constitution theory." I guess you aren't quite a strict constructionist yet.

What it boils down to is the same problem this administration had in leading the country. You are having a knee-jerk reaction to the losses from the 2006 midterms. So, instead of looking at it from a careful, thinking perspective as Bt is clearly doing. You are hoping the entire GOP will shift its philosophy in one sweeping grand gesture. You want Ronald Reagan to come and save the party and shift all the priorities. Yet, you cannot see the contradictions even with your own beliefs.

For example, many of Reagan's people opposed the war in Iraq. Yet, you support it. Interestingly you mention everything except the war and President Bush's handling of it as a reason for the Republican loss in the midterms. You're going to see the same thing happen in the United Kingdom (well, similar but with some twists). It isn't a lack of conservative principles or a budget deficit that lost elections. I told you before the elections that people rarely vote based on budget or national deficits (most people don't understand them). It was Iraq and yes some scandals, because politicians are generally greedy little bastards. So call me names if it makes you feel better Sirs, but you are a primary reason for the Republicans failure in the election.
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #54 on: November 15, 2006, 11:58:39 AM »

So the Republicans will be re-elected on removing Social Security completely? Medicare and Medicaid? That sounds like an election winner to me. ...You might get farther without the groupthink mentality.

See Js, when you start distorting as bad as knute, it's hard to take whatever else you say seriously.  When did "reform" = "removal"??  Perhaps we best stop our debate on this issue at this point.

Interesting. Read what you said and then my response Sirs. The constitution, as I'm sure any proud Libertarian will tell you, does not give specific authority to the Federal Government to conduct a Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid program. I was adding that to your opposition to the "organic constitution theory." I guess you aren't quite a strict constructionist yet.
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Simple response...reading my original reference to Conservatism sprinkled with PRAGMATISM, makes a supposedly meaningless concept, exceptionally meaningful.  Not a very pragmatiic or even realistic concept to abolish SS or the Dept of Education now is it.  Yet, you took that leap, not bothering to grasp the point I was making, having concluded to your self how meaningless it was.  Too bad.  We might have had a good debate on this topic
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #55 on: November 15, 2006, 12:51:48 PM »
Social Security will never be repealed. The United States Of America is not a strict Democracy. Our Democracy has become a hybrid of Democratic and Socialist philosophy. We already have a system of outsource national health care, that may be replaced because of corruption within the insurance industry. It is clear Americans want both, a free market capitalist business system and dedicated social programs. Americans do not want social programs to be operated as for profit business. Americans do not want welfare, Americans want guarantied economic security and a non-profit health care system. If politicians want to win elections, they must give the voters what they want. Americans are not weak- they will have what they want. The key to success is removing the profit aspect. When oversight become good enough to make it too risky for criminals, the social programs will become efficient. It is also clear Americans do not want a faith-based social system. Americans are not moving toward the left, the right or the center. Americans are moving toward an idea of just government. Thats fine with me and if the next generation is smart, they will protect what is in their best interest. Don't gambol with your future. The government of the people is the best idea. Politicians work for us, that is the message of the most resent election.

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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #56 on: November 15, 2006, 01:49:16 PM »
Social Security will never be repealed.......

And who the hell is pushing that?
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #57 on: November 15, 2006, 02:19:33 PM »
Social Security will never be repealed.......


And who the hell is pushing that?

Those who use the scare tactics, that SS is going broke and want to take a portion of SS and invest it in the Stock Market. The idea is to systematically undermine the SS system by withdrawing funds and redirecting those funds to private control. The health care system we now have is being protected by corporate lobbyist. Those who want to game the systems are pushing that. Snake oil salemen, that's who.

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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #58 on: November 15, 2006, 02:22:19 PM »
The idea is to systematically undermine the SS system by withdrawing funds and redirecting those funds to private control.

That's a better choice than spending the funds and leaving behind IOU's - as is currently done by Congress.
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Re: Another Republican that doesn't get it
« Reply #59 on: November 15, 2006, 02:29:20 PM »
That's a better choice than spending the funds and leaving behind IOU's - as is currently done by Congress.

No its not. As I said the current system is under attack by corrupt interest. We need to stop the corruption, not create a new slush fund for corporate America at the detriment of the SS system.