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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Christians4LessGvt on April 14, 2014, 10:54:10 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYNfr6w2tKE
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Indeed........while Senator Reid has his own personal strain of Koch Brothers Tourette's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP7V0hrt1aw&feature=player_embedded)
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And those jerks are The Kochs, the Teabaggers, the Neokluxers and Fox News.
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With those blinders remaining truly in place, as it relates to all the massive big $$$$$ Dem Donors & liberal super PAC's, including Reid's. Can't be lettings those pesky facts get in the way of a good irrational tantrum
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...no to mention the $$$$'s that Dems receive from the Koch Brothers as well.
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Now show us the list for the GOP
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Over the past 25 years, from 1989 to 2014, Koch Industries has donated $18,083,948 in political contributions to Republicans. While that seems like a large sum, it only ranks them as number 59 on the list of top all-time political donors....behind 18 different unions....of course we know who gets most of the Union money!
Here is the list of unions that top the Koch Brothers in political donations.
Via Open Secrets:
2.) American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,667,379
4.) National Education Assn $53,594,488
7.) Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $44,478,789
8.) United Auto Workers $41,667,858
9.) Carpenters & Joiners Union $39,260,371
10.) Service Employees International Union $38,395,690
11.) Laborers Union $37,494,010
12.) American Federation of Teachers $36,713,325
13.) Communications Workers of America $36,188,135
14.) Teamsters Union $36,123,209
16.) United Food & Commercial Workers Union $33,756,550
20.) Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $31,313,097
23.) AFL-CIO $30,938,977
32.) National Assn of Letter Carriers $26,106,359
39.) Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $23,886,248
42.) Operating Engineers Union $23,036,848
43.) International Assn of Fire Fighters $22,963,260
46.) Sheet Metal Workers Union $22,372,978
59.) Koch Industries $18,083,948
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And those jerks are The Kochs, the Teabaggers, the Neokluxers and Fox News.
No those jerk are the racist democratic party, welfare pimps, race-baiters that have a real interest in keeping America divided and gvt dependency at an all time high.
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Again, which not only completely undercuts the idea that the Koch brothers are some evil unamerican organization that gives only to Republican causes, but completely ignores the millions of $$$$$ that Dems get from their own uber rich PAC's and Donors. How the hell is that any different than what the Koch Brothers do?? :o
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I am not understanding something.
Why would someone give a lot of money to both sides?
Are they picking individuals rather than causes?
Are they trying to sponsor the public debate?
Are they buying ears in high places?
I don't know , this seems unexplained, I don't see how giving any amount to both sides is more effective than giving to one side.
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Why would someone give a lot of money to both sides?
If you need or lobby gvt for any reason
to enact legislation or to prevent certain types of legislation
many hedge their bets
sure most prefer one side or the other wins
but some can't afford to "bet the ranch" all on one side
giving to both sides, especially on the corporate side is not uncommon
even myself as a conservative
i would primarily donate to conservatives
but there are certain democrats I might donate to
i am pro-flyers-rights and like some democrats views and actions
that will not allow passengers to be held hostage on airlines.
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Plane....both parties can come together and do good things
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For Immediate Release:
Contact: Kate Hanni
Phone: (707) 337-0328
Email: kate@flyersrights.org
Airline Passengers' Rights Flying High with New Senate Bill
FlyersRights.org Applauds Senate Commerce Committee for Recognizing Airline Passengers' Rights
Napa, CA - 07/14/2009: Today, the Senate Commerce Committee unveiled its version of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2009 which includes important Airline Passengers? Bill of Rights provisions. Among those provisions;
Passengers will have the right to return to the terminal after three-hours on the tarmac if the pilot determines this can be done safely.
While on the tarmac, airlines will be required to provide food, potable water, working restrooms, and reasonable cabin temperature and ventilation.
"This is a major victory for airline passengers," said Kate Hanni, whose organization has been working for over two years for airline passengers' bill of rights with a three hour minimum. "But the war isn't won yet." Airline lobbyists are already on the Hill in force fighting against these provisions. If and when these rights are eventually passed by the full Senate, House leaders will still have their say in conference. Despite intense focus over the last two years to persuade key House leaders of the need to impose time limits, the House chose to leave that option to the airlines. "This would have led to mass consumer confusion - one airline could have a limit of 5 hours, and another airline could have set a limit of 10 hours," says Ms. Hanni.
"Our coalition and airline passengers everywhere wish to thank the members and leadership of the Senate Commerce Committee for this important legislation," said Ms. Hanni. Chief proponents of the three-hour limit were Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME). Chairman Rockefeller (D-WV) introduced the bill on behalf of Ranking Member Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), and the leadership of the Aviation Operations, Safety and Security Subcommittee, Chairman Byron L. Dorgan (D-ND) and Ranking Member Jim DeMint (R-SC).
Other airline consumer-friendly provisions were championed by Senator Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) and Senator John Thune (R-SD). "It looks to our coalition as though this was a bipartisan, group effort. We're so pleased that this committee is able to work together and focus on the interests of the flying public," said Ms. Hanni.
FlyersRights.org has over 25,000 members and is the largest non-profit airline passengers' rights coalition. For more information, contact Kate Hanni directly at 707-337-0328 or Kate@flyersrights.com.
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I just want to know why airlines think it's safer to make passengers stay on the plane so long.but not make much effort of comfort for the passengers
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I just want to know why airlines think it's safer to make passengers stay on the plane so long.but not make much effort of comfort for the passengers
Kimba there are all kinds of excuses they use, in my opinion almost none are acceptable.
It usually boils down to money, inconvenience, hassle, scheduling nightmares for the airline,
terminals that are so called "full" and thus cant handle any more people, airport staff
have gone home for the night thus plane can not deplane passengers, blah blah blah,
and they see it as a very unusual event that should be endured by the unfortunate
passengers of that particular plane rather than upset the apple-cart.
I see three hours on a tarmac as a realistic logical limit.
These horror stories although rare are just unacceptable
where passengers are trapped in a plane on the tarmac for
8, 10, 12, 18 hours.
Passengers held hostage on a plane sitting on a tarmac
for over 5 hours should begin to take on the aspect
of it being an emergency where a "what-ever it takes"
mentality takes over and the passengers are at least
given the option of getting off.
This was not in the US:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASDuLY3F4v0
In US - 110 degrees - no water:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMAeAFm0Dug
In US - 7 hours stranded on plane:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkqmwoFUQmY
In US - Passengers stranded overinght:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jur9uhzMPVg
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What gets me is one particular incident had the plane finally leave with no food and no toilet. Why is that even acceptable for a long flight? Remember that new rule stated stocked supplies. Meaning it may of happened quite abit no food or bathrooms . They can't use safety as an excuse on that one. I wonder before all this do passenger get refunds when they get delayed on these flights?
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They give to both sides because it buys access by their lobbyists to both sides, or at least that is what they think it will do.
We need 100% public campaign funding, since we cannot ban lobbyists.
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So, the Koch's aren't this monolithic uber conservative PAC, that you and Reid are trying to erroneously paint them as....all the while ignoring the uber liberal PAC's that have just as much influence in making Dems do their bidding.
At one time Public financing might have been viable...when the MSM actually functioned as an objective news reporting sourse. It can't work now, since it then gives the media FAR too much power to shape public opinion, and given their massive predisposition in supporing Democrat causes/candidates, what we need now is 100% full disclosure....follow the money
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What gets me is one particular incident had the plane finally leave with no food and no toilet. Why is that even acceptable for a long flight? Remember that new rule stated stocked supplies. Meaning it may of happened quite abit no food or bathrooms . They can't use safety as an excuse on that one. I wonder before all this do passenger get refunds when they get delayed on these flights?
Kimba... I think the "extremely long stranded passenger situations" are so rare they just really did not plan for these events. Of course if you are one the unfortunate passengers on the plane you don't really want to hear "well this almost never happens". I think the airlines have even lobbied Congress to "backslide" on some of these new rules.
I have a "emergency flight kit" with me on every plane ride.
At the airport I always buy a good size bottle of clear soda,
some nut/chocolate trail mix, cookies, peanut butter crackers, ect..
I also keep Xanax with me on every plane ride....so if it happens
I can take two which will make me sleep and/or carefree for
4-6 hours....and I can take more as needed. I've considered
buying an extra cell phone battery and also bringing a couple
of empty gallon size freezer bags in case the restrooms were
closed you might not have to pee in your pants.
I'll tell what though...
if it was 110 degrees and I was stuck on a plane for like 6-8 hours
the Xanax might not do the trick for me
at that point....I promise you they would have to probably call the Police
because when my panic sets off which can really be worse in hot cramped conditions
I would start making terrorist threats or attempt to physically force my way off the plane
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seriously I think your justified if that happens to you. reasonable cause.
me I would be mumbling cannibal jokes to the crew ALOT. starting with soccer teams in the andes
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Why not show us how much moola the Kochs have donated to REPUBLICANS and TEABAGGERS?
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me I would be mumbling cannibal jokes to the crew ALOT. starting with soccer teams in the andes
Ha Ha....
Kimba did you hear a passenger ship capsized in chilly water off South Korea?
and hundreds of passengers are "missing"
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Nope but if you think about it with soo many ships out there eventually stuff like this will happpen and with the internet it simply look frequent. Hope this gets a better ending story
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Why not show us how much moola the Kochs have donated to REPUBLICANS and TEABAGGERS?
56+ Million from the NEA. Guess who gets that?
40+ Million from Democrat donor Thomas Steyer's PAC
35+ Million from the SEIU
11+ Million from the American Federation of Teachers
8+ Million from Bloomberg's PAC
And then there's the KOCH brothers of the left, George Soros. Point being Professor, that IF the Koch brothers are as evil as you and Reid complain, at being able to donate large sums towards Conservative causes, best take that hypocritical 2x4 out of your eye to acknowledge that the Dems have a plethora of their own apparent unamerican manipulative super PAC's & Donors >:(
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Why not show us how much moola the Kochs have donated to REPUBLICANS and TEABAGGERS?
Why does that matter?
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They have donated more than $196 million to dozens of free-market and advocacy organizations.[3] In 2008, the three main Koch family foundations contributed to 34 political and policy organizations, three of which they founded, and several of which they direct.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KochPAC
http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?cycle=2012&strID=C00236489
Here is the list, http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00236489&cycle=2012
Pretty long , don't want to paste it here.
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This article includes a partial list of the Center for American Progress corporate donors.
Who Funds the Far Left? You’ll Be Surprised
I doubt that there is any conservative organization that can boast a remotely comparable list of corporate supporters. The Center for American Progress’s disclosure is a timely reminder that large corporations are not, in general, supporters of free enterprise. Many of them love to partner with government to suppress innovation and competition. Koch Industries stands alone, as far as I know, as a relatively large company that actually supports free enterprise as a matter of principle. Which is why corporatist America, through disreputable organizations like the Center for American Progress, has waged unremitting warfare against Koch.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/12/who-funds-the-far-left-youll-be-surprised.php