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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Universe Prince on July 27, 2007, 06:18:18 PM
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If you watched the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, you might remember that Ian Johnson is the running back who scored the winning points for Boise State and later proposed to his cheerleader girlfriend, Chrissy Popadics, on national television. 40 years after Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Ian Johnson, who is black, and Chrissy Popadics, who is white, have had to hire security for their wedding because of death threats received.
Why does this happen? I confess I don't get it. Yeah, I know it's racism and some people are assholes, but, really, why threaten these two people? What could possibly be gained? But more than that, why does anyone even care anymore that someone with dark skin might marry someone with light skin? What kind of moron objects to that?
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you got me why this is
I still don`t understand why a caucasian male marrying a asian female is ok
but a asain male marrying anybody else is considered wrong
for some we`re thee most undesireable demographic in media
the very reason russel wong can`t get a decent job.
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If you watched the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, you might remember that Ian Johnson is the running back who scored the winning points for Boise State and later proposed to his cheerleader girlfriend, Chrissy Popadics, on national television. 40 years after Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Ian Johnson, who is black, and Chrissy Popadics, who is white, have had to hire security for their wedding because of death threats received.
Why does this happen? I confess I don't get it. Yeah, I know it's racism and some people are assholes, but, really, why threaten these two people? What could possibly be gained? But more than that, why does anyone even care anymore that someone with dark skin might marry someone with light skin? What kind of moron objects to that?
As to the latter, it really shouldn't matter 1 wit. But to answer the former kinda addresses the latter, and in part references what Kimba was touching on. From the many public forms and "Diversity-type shows" I've heard or seen on radio or TV respectfully, I definately recall when it was a predominantly African America audience, when the topic came up of mixed marriages, it became dowright hostile, any time the notion of a black man was to marry or was simply seeing a white female (or any other ethnicity for that matter). and the hostility was almost uninimously coming from the female gender. It wasn't near as big a deal if a black female married a white male, though it was frowned on. But boy, the rage that ensued when it included a mixed couple on stage, and the male was black was overwhelming. Something to do with "stealing good black men" away from black women appeared to be the (ir)rationale. I couldn't point out the reason, but the hostility was definately enough to have facilitated death threats.
FANTASTIC end of the game though, BTW. !!!
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ohh
that open a scarey door
in my job quite afew black security guards are married outside of their race.
the subject always comes up why.
I`m scared to bring it up here,but the consistent answer I always get is.
I`m tired of being called a loser is why I don`t marry a black woman.
I even told a secretary this and she admitted thats why her husband left her.
she can`t help argueing with him.
it`s a stereo type and not totally true for all
but it is a factor on the anger toward blackmen marrying outside of their race.
am I in trouble??
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Well, I hear female black students all the time complain about being able to find a suitable black mate. They perpetually complain about black males being caught by dysfunctional black culture that espouses education in blacks is counter to their culture.
Racism still exists, unfortunately. I detest it, but it is there. Only time will solve this problem.
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They perpetually complain about black males being caught by dysfunctional black culture that espouses education in blacks is counter to their culture
huh?
education counter to black culture?
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<<40 years after Guess Who's Coming to Dinner, Ian Johnson, who is black, and Chrissy Popadics, who is white, have had to hire security for their wedding because of death threats received.>>
Well, I'm sure none of those threats are coming from the South, because there are no racists there any more.
Seems to me that a lot of anti-black racism is fueled by the white man's fear of black male sexual prowess. 14-year-old Emmett Till was tortured, mutilated and then shot to death for making advances to a young white woman in Mississippi. And of course, there is always Ike's famous remarks about "black bucks" and white schoolgirls - - here's one version, obviously taken from David Halberstam's "The Fifties:"
<<Shortly after appointing [Earl] Warren [as Chief Justice of SCOTUS,] Ike seated him at a White House dinner next to the chief counsel for the segregationists in the consolidated cases collectively called Brown. Ike told Warren the attorney was ?a great man.? As for his clients, said Ike, ?These are not bad people. All they are concerned about is to see that their sweet little girls are not required to sit in school alongside some big black bucks.>>
Personally, apart from the "these are not bad people," I think Ike had the situation nailed. That was EXACTLY what they were concerned with.
PS - - AROUND THE WORDS GREAT MAN I PUT WHAT I INTENDED TO BE QUOTATION MARKS, BUT THEY APPEAR AS A PAIR OF QUESTION MARKS. THIS SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING A LOT LATELY, AFTER I HAD SWITCHED BROWSERS FROM IE TO FIREFOX. APPARENTLY I CAN'T CORRECT THE ERROR BUT THERE IT IS.
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Well, I'm sure none of those threats are coming from the South, because there are no racists there any more.
Idaho is pretty far from the "racist southeast." Last time I checked, it was right next to (and shared a border with) Canada.
Or do you think that the state government of Idaho is deliberately importing racists from the southeast?
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Well, I'm sure none of those threats are coming from the South, because there are no racists there any more.
I don't believe anyone is making that claim. I think the problem is when you try to claim that the South as whole is racist. There are a lot of good people born and raised in the South who are not racist. And frankly, the notion that somehow the South has a lock on racism is a stupid notion. I realize that because the Northern states were not slave states and the Southern states were, there has arisen this illusory notion that somehow racism was confined to the South and Northerners were all loving abolitionists who welcomed freed slaves with open arms, but that is not the case at all. Racism has existed across the nation and does so even now. Singling out the South as some sort of last bastion of racism is uninformed, to say the least and say it politely.
I don't know where the death threats have come from, and I don't particularly care. They may all come from people in Idaho for all we know. Surely we can all agree that wherever the threats come from, they are stupid and despicable. Right?
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Something to do with "stealing good black men" away from black women appeared to be the (ir)rationale. I couldn't point out the reason, but the hostility was definately enough to have facilitated death threats.
That is possible, but I frankly have doubts that such would be the cause of death threats.
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education counter to black culture?
I have heard it said that many African-Americans have a notion that doing well in school is a "white" thing. Which I confess I do not understand. I don't know how such a notion could have some to be, or why it would persist.
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I still don`t understand why a caucasian male marrying a asian female is ok
but a asain male marrying anybody else is considered wrong
I don't understand that either.
for some we`re thee most undesireable demographic in media
the very reason russel wong can`t get a decent job.
That I really don't understand. I remember watching the Vanishing Son trilogy of of movies, and being really impressed with Russell Wong. (The TV show was dumb, but that wasn't his fault.) What makes you think him being Asian keeps him from getting work?
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I have heard it said that many African-Americans have a notion that doing well in school is a "white" thing.
that`s a new one to me.
but I do understand the thinking of being a traitor to ones race
as a canadian-chinese I`ve been called a banana a few times for the way I act.
let`s just say I`m not a very ethnic person.
alot of times when I eat out ,somebody will say "what the hell kind of asian are you?"
I find all this very irrational and sometimes very funny
p.s. the reason I get told that statement is that I hold my chopstix in a very offensive way that make alot of asian turn away.
they just can look at my hand when I eat
samething when I write
people in general can`t stand to see me hold a pen
someday I should record me writing and I`ll bet alot of folks here will look away
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on russell
he`s the most succesfull asian american actor in the U.S.
the dude totally qualify as a romantic male lead.
he`s the only guy I know to play a wife-beater in a movie and every single women who saw the movie only remember him as the good-looking guy in the movie
he starred in two shows for this very reason and both times it tanked
asians simply cannot play starring roles with romances
ex. jet li,jackie chan
none of the U.S. movies has them finally getting the girl
at best it ends with the potential of hooking up.
russel`s brother micheal on the other hand is a succesfull movie actor in china with ton`s of work
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Idaho has quite a few White Supremacists.
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<<Idaho is pretty far from the "racist southeast." Last time I checked, it was right next to (and shared a border with) Canada.
<<Or do you think that the state government of Idaho is deliberately importing racists from the southeast?>>
But . . . but . . . But I don't understand. The game was broadcast on "national TV" - - does this mean that national TV broadcasts originating in Idaho are being blocked by all the other 49 states? But why? What did Idaho do?
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This is on topic...
Black Youth Facing 22 Years for Schoolyard Fight
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July 26, 2007 1:53 PM
JR Santo Reports:
Blackyouthfac_mn_2 The FBI, Justice Department, and the U.S. attorney's office are set to meet in Jena, La., today to discuss possible civil rights violations revolving around a racially-charged schoolyard beating.
The case involves the assault of a white student, Justin Barker, at Jena High School by six black schoolmates. Mychal Bell, the first of the six students to be tried in court, was convicted of aggravated second-degree battery and faces up to 22 years and six months in prison. The remaining five students have not yet faced trial.
Critics have called the charges outrageous, citing the facts that Barker only received minor injuries and was released from the hospital that same day so he could attend a school ceremony. Civil rights leaders say the black defendants, now known as the "Jena 6," have received unequal treatment compared to white defendants charged with similar crimes.
"Justice in La Salle Parish is not meted out equally," said Tory Pegram, development and public education associate for the Louisiana chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union.
The attack on Barker was the latest incident in a series of conflicts between white and black students sparked when black students found three hangman's nooses dangling from a tree on school property. Robert Bailey, one of the Jena 6, was assaulted at a local party by white students using bottles and fists. Those who assaulted Bailey were only charged with simple battery by the district attorney in La Salle Parish, the district in which Jena lies.
Bell's attorney, Louis Scott, said, "Actions by black students were treated more harshly than actions by white students."
Unable to post the $90,000 bond, Bell has remained in prison since his arrest. His attorney has delayed sentencing from the scheduled July 31 court date until September 20 to exercise all available legal options.
The Justice Department would not comment on the meeting because it is part of "ongoing casework." The district attorney could not be reached for comment.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/black-youth-fac.html
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when it was a predominantly African America audience, when the topic came up of mixed marriages, it became dowright hostile, any time the notion of a black man was to marry or was simply seeing a white female
i saw a show once where a black speaker said basically the following:
do the math
if you mix 12% black with 80% white
which race over time gets "watered down" to the point of non-existence?
if you keep mixing 12% black with 80% white, after a certain time there is no more black
sure the white isn't as white, but at 80% vs 12%, the white is going to outlast and be much more preserved
don't believe it? try the same experiment with paint.....keep mixing 80% white and 12% black and see what you end up with
we want to preserve our heritage as african americans, our culture, our history, and most of all our color
this is the surest way to virtually eliminate and marginalize us
whites shouldn't fear this because they'll win this numbers game,
sure there are more blacks in the world, but i am talking african american hertiage, african american culture, which is unique
african americans should be the most concerned about losing their identity
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I'm waiting for Ami to explain to us that Louisiana is really a part of Idaho.
<<The attack on Barker was the latest incident in a series of conflicts between white and black students sparked when black students found three hangman's nooses dangling from a tree on school property. Robert Bailey, one of the Jena 6, was assaulted at a local party by white students using bottles and fists. Those who assaulted Bailey were only charged with simple battery by the district attorney in La Salle Parish, the district in which Jena lies.>>
I'm waiting for BT to explain to the La Salle Parish D.A. that he can't really represent the good people of the Parish any more because they're Southerners and therefore can't be racists.
Maybe the D.A. just got off the bus from Idaho.
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education counter to black culture?
I have heard it said that many African-Americans have a notion that doing well in school is a "white" thing. Which I confess I do not understand. I don't know how such a notion could have some to be, or why it would persist.
Yes, this is what I have heard as well. They are afraid it will turn them into an "oreo".
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I'm waiting for Ami to explain to us that Louisiana is really a part of Idaho.
<<The attack on Barker was the latest incident in a series of conflicts between white and black students sparked when black students found three hangman's nooses dangling from a tree on school property. Robert Bailey, one of the Jena 6, was assaulted at a local party by white students using bottles and fists. Those who assaulted Bailey were only charged with simple battery by the district attorney in La Salle Parish, the district in which Jena lies.>>
I'm waiting for BT to explain to the La Salle Parish D.A. that he can't really represent the good people of the Parish any more because they're Southerners and therefore can't be racists.
Maybe the D.A. just got off the bus from Idaho.
Or maybe one incident has nothing to do with the other.
Sure there are racially motivated incidents in the South. Never said there weren't. What i object to is Mikey's blanket indictments of a region based on the actions of a few.
There was a shooting in Atlanta last year by the police. Some activists tried to make it a racial issue because the victim was Black. Except the shooters were black, the police chief is black and the administration is black. What it really was was a no knock warrant gone bad, but it was portrayed as latent institutional racist memory at work.
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in my job quite afew black security guards are married outside of their race. the subject always comes up why. I`m scared to bring it up here,but the consistent answer I always get is. I`m tired of being called a loser is why I don`t marry a black woman....but it is a factor on the anger toward blackmen marrying outside of their race.
am I in trouble??
Well, I'll tell ya Kimba, despite Tee's continued lame efforts at making this a sole southern thing, those audience I was referring too, if any of the black men in there had raised such a point, there would have been a riot. That's how angry those women were when confronted with a black man marrying a white woman
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Something to do with "stealing good black men" away from black women appeared to be the (ir)rationale. I couldn't point out the reason, but the hostility was definately enough to have facilitated death threats.
That is possible, but I frankly have doubts that such would be the cause of death threats.
I never claimed it a "cause", simply referencing the vitriolic anger regarding a black male marrying or even dating a white woman, coming from those in the audience I saw & heard, that in my opinion, could have easily transitioned to death threats
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<<Sure there are racially motivated incidents in the South. Never said there weren't. What i object to is Mikey's blanket indictments of a region based on the actions of a few.>>
Yeah, just "a few." Last time I looked, a D.A. who won an election - - even in Louisiana - - needed more than just "a few" votes to get in. If he was appointed rather than elected, the Governor or whoever appoints him, presumably an elected official, is actutely sensitive to the majority voters. Doesn't want to rub them the wrong way and usually is pretty good at knowing what rubs them the right way and what rubs them the wrong way. I conclude that the appointment or election of an overtly racist D.A. means there is a lot of popular support for his (the D.A.'s) position.
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Yeah, just "a few." Last time I looked, a D.A. who won an election - - even in Louisiana - - needed more than just "a few" votes to get in. If he was appointed rather than elected, the Governor or whoever appoints him, presumably an elected official, is acutely sensitive to the majority voters.
That would apply nationwide.
I conclude that the appointment or election of an overtly racist D.A. means there is a lot of popular support for his (the D.A.'s) position.
And what proof do you have that the DA is overtly racist?
You ever think the white boys plead out to a lesser offense? That's kinda one of the things lawyers do when advising clients.
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Well, I'm sure none of those threats are coming from the South, because there are no racists there any more.
Idaho is pretty far from the "racist southeast." Last time I checked, it was right next to (and shared a border with) Canada.
Or do you think that the state government of Idaho is deliberately importing racists from the southeast?
When retired LA cops tell other LA cops to come up and retire in Idaho because it is 'coon-free', is that deliberate?
I would say that the retired cops and federal agents from all over the country are well aware that the state of Idaho is where retired cops go, that the populace if not the official government does welcomes them, and that it is a population well-known for being White. They see themselves as self-segregated, and will peacock pride.
While racism is odious by any standard, when those who choose to create and maintain a bastion for themselves that is defined by its segregation, the standard is dwarfed and it becomes even more odious.
I understand that there is no particular breech of the law here--no one can prove that Blacks cannot secure land there. What I am saying is that nobody much is fooled by that canard, and that the intimidation factor is recognized by anyone not haltered by political agenda patronage. That too makes it even more odious.
To address the problem of racism in America, one must address the problem that exists, and not the buck-passing, logic-looping product that becomes a bleached ennuch of a thing after a throrough legal disassembling.
Racism defined in legal terms pins the donkey on the tail, and clap, clap, next? But the law is neutral here, even if it is being used, and the nature of law is that is be used. The law can be made to work otherwise, which was given a similar birth during the civil rights era. Note that, before that, the laws defined a different situation, even if by lack-of-law application, using laws to sabotage laws.
One can talk about the racism in the South, comfortable in knowing that any discussion, let alone possible resolution, will be stopped at the border of the South by the word itself--they know you just can't address the South and blame it all on 'them,' blame it as an entity. Everybody knows that nobody can claim all the South is responsible, and therefore nobody can make them accept responsibility. My own interjection here is that, after having witnessed my whole life this defiance displayed by the South, I conclude it resembles more a long-sustained, unchallenged adolescent pout than anything which claims to be of a higher nature.
My solution would be to address a unity which I would identify as the "Dixie South."
I think that what immediately comes to most folks' minds hearing this phrasing sees racism as the defining component of that 'Dixie South', and that it can be employed effectively and legally to define that population which is indeed racist. By way of effectively busting up the Dixie South like we busted up the Mafia, for instance, people sporting the 'confederate flag' could be Rico-ized.
A whole coda of law could then be written which would contain by name that entity, using 'dixie south' much like the identifying threads of civil rights statutes are written, under the collective notation of 'civil rights' legislation.
Tangentially, it would provide a contribution to a sorely-needed spiritual over-haul for America's legal system, now lying bleeding at the feet of A. Gonzales, et al.
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Will we also have a legal description of the folks in the north epitomized by Boston Southies?
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If this isn't a crock, I don't know what is.
When retired LA cops tell other LA cops to come up and retire in Idaho because it is 'coon-free', is that deliberate?
Ok, so a few folks use terrible terminology. Doesn't mean ALL ofthem meant this. You are judging ALL LA cops by the actions of the few. Poor intellectual reasoning.
I would say that the retired cops and federal agents from all over the country are well aware that the state of Idaho is where retired cops go, that the populace if not the official government does welcomes them, and that it is a population well-known for being White. They see themselves as self-segregated, and will peacock pride.
Again, blanket irrational statements. Where's your data?
While racism is odious by any standard, when those who choose to create and maintain a bastion for themselves that is defined by its segregation, the standard is dwarfed and it becomes even more odious.
Hmm, let's say I wanted to segregate myself by only being with others who have the same professions I do, as in many Defense towns or even bastions in Hollywood where every home is owned by an actor. Doesn't make it racist. I bet if you analyzed many subdivisions in the country, you would find a remarkable amount of similarities in the residents. For example, in a subdivision of homes in the 150-250K range, I bet you would find in many cases that those home perhapses were concentrated in a select group of occupations. Doesn't make it racist.
I understand that there is no particular breech of the law here--no one can prove that Blacks cannot secure land there. What I am saying is that nobody much is fooled by that canard, and that the intimidation factor is recognized by anyone not haltered by political agenda patronage. That too makes it even more odious.
What kind of statement is this? Emotional irrationality
To address the problem of racism in America, one must address the problem that exists, and not the buck-passing, logic-looping product that becomes a bleached eunuch of a thing after a thorough legal disassembling.
What kind of statement is this? Emotional irrationality.
Racism defined in legal terms pins the donkey on the tail, and clap, clap, next? But the law is neutral here, even if it is being used, and the nature of law is that is be used. The law can be made to work otherwise, which was given a similar birth during the civil rights era. Note that, before that, the laws defined a different situation, even if by lack-of-law application, using laws to sabotage laws.
What kind of statement is this? Stupid analogy. Clap, clap. Does this mean you have the clap?
One can talk about the racism in the South, comfortable in knowing that any discussion, let alone possible resolution, will be stopped at the border of the South by the word itself--they know you just can't address the South and blame it all on 'them,' blame it as an entity. Everybody knows that nobody can claim all the South is responsible, and therefore nobody can make them accept responsibility. My own interjection here is that, after having witnessed my whole life this defiance displayed by the South, I conclude it resembles more a nonexistent, unchallenged adolescent pout than anything which claims to be of a higher nature.
I lived in the Washington DC area for 25 years and racism was there, only in a different vein. Racism in many forms is prevalent everywhere. To label the South as especially bad in this regard is nonsensical. Where's your empirical data to substantiate this??
My solution would be to address a unity which I would identify as the "Dixie South."
I think that what immediately comes to most folks' minds hearing this phrasing sees racism as the defining component of that 'Dixie South', and that it can be employed effectively and legally to define that population which is indeed racist. By way of effectively busting up the Dixie South like we busted up the Mafia, for instance, people sporting the 'confederate flag' could be Rico-ized.
There we go. The liberals using government and its onerous presence to tell people what flag to fly on their own property. If I wanted to fly a Homer Simpson flag or any other flag on my property, that is MY privilege. I do not own a Confederate flag, nor do any of my neighbors fly them. But if they did, then that is their business. Besides, displaying this flag does not, in my mind, connotate that the flier of that flag is promoting racism as you seem to suggest. Some people really do fly it to remember their southern heritage just as some of my friends fly the early Texas Republic flag in Texas to remember they were a Republic before being a state. So, by your way of thinking, Six Flags over Georgia, is racist if they fly the Confederate flag> Ludicrous. Assumptions...assumptions.
A whole coda of law could then be written which would contain by name that entity, using 'dixie south' much like the identifying threads of civil rights statutes are written, under the collective notation of 'civil rights' legislation.
Go ahead...let's get those mean old Southerners. We'll teach 'em, just like we did after the Civil War.! Oops, \upon reflection, perhaps I haven't gotten past that event, maybe I DO live i in the [past, you thin to yourself. <rightly so>
Tangentially, it would provide a contribution to a sorely-needed spiritual over-haul for America's legal system, now lying bleeding at the feet of A. Gonzales, et al.
What kind of statement is this? Emotional irrationality. And Edwin Meese , under a Democratic Administration, was better?
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Will we also have a legal description of the folks in the north epitomized by Boston Southies?
Of course, that is the whole point, to identify where racism is and address it.
It is time to stop trying to pretend that racism cannot be identified.
This would, as I have noted, need a paradigm shift in the regarding of racism as related to that under the lens of the law. I do not care about the effect on such units as what the kkk ilk thinks or feels here, except that should they act out in their feelings and transgress the laws, they would be held legally responsible, commensurate in spirit to any other thuggish threat, but with a new and more appropriate zeal of enforcement.
Gone would be legislation that obfuscated or trivialized the law so that racists have actually redirected, if not rewritten, laws that apply to racism. Gone would be regional judges who, though not noted in the local press, were known for their winking. News laws, conceived in a new dispensation of laws dealing with racism--as in, for comps sake, civil rights legislation, would be written with a less choking flexibility of both definition or enforcement. Not just a law here or there, but a broad, meaningful new perspective from the new locus of the paradigm shift.
A paradigm shift, for instance, as that when America had a new president, FDR, who called in the top bankers to the white house and told them that, for the last fifty years, the banks controlled the federal government, and from now on the federal government would run the banks. Paradigm shift in perspective.
I know all the fears of the universe descend on the individual racist when such a suggestion is made; I know they fear a new Ireland: what I also know is that there would be a lot of unsmiling whites and smiling blacks. That would indicate that it is working, and, beyond that litmus, it should be ignored.
I addressed the dixie south and law enforcement retirement idaho--two racist strongholds, but of course there are others.
My position is to ferret them out and prosecute them.
As in the point I addressed in the post, one could not properly identify all Boston as racist, and should not; neither should racists who seek shelter under those whole-city, whole-state, whole anything ruses be permitted to continue. Therefore, the Southies (your term) would be where all the action is, not all of Boston.
All law enforcement, and especially federal law enforcement, already knows how to direct investigations to the guilty. Nothing new here. And it is an extremely salient truth that it matters not at all which if any law enforcement officers like what they would have to do. They are used to this, too. Like evicting poor people they knew were victims of slimy landlords, or swinging their clubs at working people who were on strike to better their lives under a tyrannical corporation.
With a new dispensation to end racism, of course there is going to be reaction. But I suggest that the newly experienced pain and incovenience suffered by you and other Whites is commensurate with that departing from Blacks souls in America today. Philosophically responding to that point, I can only add it is about time.
I also believe firmly that most of America is sick and tired of all this hate. I have found that much of the racism in the South is rote and gesticular, played to like one of P's popularity contests, and is played with deference to the more fervent among them who fondle their hate with a solemn gravitas which is, in the world of reality, bogus, because it is just a loser's hate, much like the hate of the dixie south is a loser's hate.
Time to grow up.
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So what is more sweeping than a simple directive of equal protection under the law regardless of race, creed, gender etc.
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And Edwin Meese , under a Democratic Administration, was better?
Meese was under Reagan.
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my brother(who is black) linked me this video
so don`t blame me
he says he`s tired also
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6omcN0x-VAM
hope this works
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d036oDVEehY&mode=related&search=
This was written and sung by John Lennon
(Don't know who's miming it in the clip)
Warning: THE N WORD IS IN HERE
Kimba, I get what your brother is saying. But think about it from the woman's perspective: Black women want black men, white women want black men, black men want...white women. So where does that leave a black woman?
Wanting.
But it's not going to change, change is here and it's multiracial. I think that's been going on for eons now, centuries anyway. We just don't know our family trees wayy back when.
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well not all white women
my ex married me because she had a severe fascination with asian men
something to do with having great looking kids.
she`s a cross between catherine oxenburg and elisabeth shue
I never had a chance
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And Edwin Meese , under a Democratic Administration, was better?
Meese was under Reagan.
Er, Griffin Bell?
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Er, Griffin Bell?
Ok prof, I figured that it was an accident.
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That Tired Black Man was one of the better scenes in that film.
Somehow, the belief that Black women are somehow stronger than White women is a pervasive myth of American life. It seems to me that there is really very little concrete evidence that this is so. Black women are stronger in some ways, White women in others, but the fact is that the individual, be it a Black man, White Man, Black woman, or White woman is vastly more important than any generalities that people may have.
There is always some truth to stereotypes: no one thinks of Thai basketball heroes, Jewish drunks, Wasp bluesmen or Chinese eccentrics, although no doubt some of each exists.
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I'm waiting for Ami to explain to us that Louisiana is really a part of Idaho.
One of the guys involved in the Jena case was involved with the death threats in Idaho?
And, like BT pointed out, I never said that no bigots exist in the south. I always said that in my experience, more bigots live in the north.
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There is always some truth to stereotypes: no one thinks of Thai basketball heroes, Jewish drunks, Wasp bluesmen or Chinese eccentrics,
I think I`m one of those
you`ve seem my spam collection on my desk
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Something to do with "stealing good black men" away from black women appeared to be the (ir)rationale. I couldn't point out the reason, but the hostility was definately enough to have facilitated death threats.
That is possible, but I frankly have doubts that such would be the cause of death threats.
I never claimed it a "cause", simply referencing the vitriolic anger regarding a black male marrying or even dating a white woman, coming from those in the audience I saw & heard, that in my opinion, could have easily transitioned to death threats
Part of the problem is fame.
A simular couple without the fame would have drawn less attention.
There may be less than one person in ten thousand with such a bad case of prejudice that would motivate them to death threats , but with national exposure this can amount to thousands of death threats.
Nothingis going to eliminate such misguided thinking , however rare it becomes , but least effective of all methods are thos that seem to validate the "victim" status of the racist.
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An interesting story that happened to me over the weekend. I was in Northeast Tennessee at a TVA lake which has a nice swimming area with a beach. My son loves to go there when we are in that part of the state. He was having a blast out playing with the kids in the water.
A lady came up to me and when she began to speak I knew immediately that she wasn't from "around these parts" (it works both ways :) ). I had an idea of where she was from because I have a segment of my family from the Queen City, though I generally avoid that part of the extended family (and they avoid us so it all works out well).
Regardless, she confirmed that she was from Cincinnati and had moved there recently. She began telling me how much she loved the region primarily because there weren't many of "them" around. I don't know if I was too busy keeping an eye on my son or am just that naive, but I told her that I had no idea what she was talking about. So she said, "you know, them." She told me that she called her brother and told him that she had gone an entire week without seeing a black person (though she used a pejorative there). He had told her in reply that he might have to move there too.
I looked at her and said, "what makes you think that I think like you do?" She dragged herself back over to her beach towel.
Interestingly, at that very moment I thought to myself that it is amazing that so many people live insulated from the reality that racism exists alive and well in 2007 (just like the title of this thread). I hear many people pay it small lip service and then talk about how it really doesn't exist or talk about examples of how white people are discriminated against.
Racism, geared towards blacks and especially Hispanic people is very much alive and well.
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Racism, geared towards blacks and especially Hispanic people is very much alive and well.
And it looks like it was imported into that part of Tennessee from a northern state. ;-)
And trust me, it's not limited to "towards ... Hispanic people" - my daughter's current boyfriend is part Mexican, and his Mexican mother has nothing good to say about blacks, either.
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A friend of mine is a carpenter here in the Macon area. He helps build homes in the various subdivisions around here (we are in a booming area due to the prosperous nature of Robins Air Force Base). He is also from Mexico and is one of the hardest people I know. He says he never hires blacks because they are lazy. He says it has nothing to do with their skin color. He says the eleven (he counted them up and listed them by name) he has hired over they ears were lazy and thought the world "owed them". My friend came here from Mexico with ten dollars and a family of five. In none years he has worked himself up to the point of carpenter foreman. He says no one gave him anything, he EARNED his way. Therefore, he cannot understand why others think the world owes them.
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Racism, geared towards blacks and especially Hispanic people is very much alive and well.
And it looks like it was imported into that part of Tennessee from a northern state. ;-)
And trust me, it's not limited to "towards ... Hispanic people" - my daughter's current boyfriend is part Mexican, and his Mexican mother has nothing good to say about blacks, either.
That's very true. One of the most anti-illegal immigrant and racist anti-Mexican folks around here is a black minister. Very sad.
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He says he never hires blacks because they are lazy. He says it has nothing to do with their skin color.
That is a contradiction.
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He says he is not racist and that he doesn't hire them because they are lazy, NOT because they are black.
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That sounds terribly racist.
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He says he is not racist and that he doesn't hire them because they are lazy, NOT because they are black.
Equating black with lazy is racist.
Some of the laziest people I've met have been white. And some of the hardest working people I've met have been black.
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you know who doesn`t like blacks
africans
in new york africans cabbie won`t take black fares.
a co-worker(who`s nigerian) doesn`t care for blacks at all.
I`ll even go as far as say quite alot africans think blacks are inferior
the very reason obama will have trouble getting the black vote
he`s not black to alot of african-americans.
doesn`t help that kenya still has slaves now
but it`s accepted because it`s only females.
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That sounds terribly racist.
When I basically told him that (in a much nicer way), he told me it was business. He said he hires real workers, not lazy workers. He says he has a worker from Chile who, like him, is more than happy to be in America and be employed in ANY job. He also said that in his opinion most Americans take America for granted.
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He also said that in his opinion most Americans take America for granted.
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Why would an American NOT take America for granted? Should Americans be deported for not slaving away as much as the immigrant bossman thinks they should? Who died and made this alien peckerwood some sort of hero?
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He also said that in his opinion most Americans take America for granted.>
can`t really argue with that.
i get upset with people who say mcdonalds work is beneath them.
I can understand it not paying enough,but not because it`s beneath them
I`ve done mcdonalds and it`s not beneath anybody
if anything it`s too tough for people to do.
flipping burgers is tough ass work
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That sounds terribly racist.
When I basically told him that (in a much nicer way), he told me it was business. He said he hires real workers, not lazy workers. He says he has a worker from Chile who, like him, is more than happy to be in America and be employed in ANY job. He also said that in his opinion most Americans take America for granted.
I know that somehow this absolutist rah rah is supposed to reflect the bottom line of capitalism--real worker, lazy worker-- but the truth is, in business, when you have a boss or employer who demands others be exploited without boundaries, where workers are supposed to prove every seven minutes that they are a rabid worker and to poster the cowering that is expected along with it, the business disintegrates into an us-them mentality, and then hardens into a tyranny.
Of all the offenses to God that we as a collective have committed, treating workers like cattle is among the very worst.
Some companies are happy places to work, but they continue to get fewer, while the WalMart let-em-eat-shit mentality reflects the age old sweat shop tyranny, the sweat shop mentality of China.
Just bullshit.
God spoke of loving work, and being proud in ones work, but the new capitalist generalissimos have rendered it a sick and putrid thing and call it good.
American capitalism in the Global arena is just Peabody Coal on steroirds.
How many sweat shops are there south of Miami? Do you know? The shoe factories and carpet mills in South Carolina, do they continue to be sweat shops?
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How many sweat shops are there south of Miami? Do you know?
You'd have to ask Castro.
The shoe factories and carpet mills in South Carolina, do they continue to be sweat shops?
Not any more than the shoe factories and carpet mills in Minnesota.
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How many sweat shops are there south of Miami? Do you know?
You'd have to ask Castro.
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And this would be because Cuba is filled with sweatshops? That would explain why every Wal*Mart is crammed with products Made in Cuba.
Sweatshops in the garment trade are a thing of the past in this country. In Miami, a seamstress is given something like 100 dozen left sleeves to sew together and told that according to the anonymous assembler's figures, a good worker can sew 100 together in one hour. The work is done at home, on the "contractor's" machine. The fact is that it would take three people to do it in this time, but the government does not have any real supervision here. When the work is delivered, it is inspected, and it turns out that some percentage are deemed defective, so the company pays only $10. Someone else does the right sleeves, the placket, and only in the factory are the sleeves sewn on. This way, disgruntled workers can't simply keep the merchandise.
In Cuba, the saying is that the workers pretend to work and the government pretends to pay them.
Most clothing is imported used. A used plastic grocery bag from the US sells in Cuba for one Cuban peso.
Castro may be infamous for many things, but running sweatshops is NOT one of them.
One of you less accurate snide remarks, I would say.
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Nice description of what happens in Miami.
But the original snide comment was about sweatshops south of Miami.
There ain't a whole lot of anything other than gators and water south of Miami in the US. The next country south of Miami is Cuba.
And perhaps you just can't get the subtly of humor?
The fact is that it would take three people to do it in this time, but the government does not have any real supervision here.
And where do you find this "fact?"
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That sounds terribly racist.
When I basically told him that (in a much nicer way), he told me it was business. He said he hires real workers, not lazy workers. He says he has a worker from Chile who, like him, is more than happy to be in America and be employed in ANY job. He also said that in his opinion most Americans take America for granted.
Yes, it's a very racist point of view, even if he won't own up to it being racist.
But look at what he's glad for: our air? our cuisine, our scenery? Probably not.
He is probably glad to be in a country that has an infrastructure of passable roads, hospitals, electricity, free public schools, etc. All the Big Government things that make life so attractive here. These things are worth working very hard ---and paying taxes---to live here.
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infrastructure of passable roads, hospitals, electricity, free public schools
Most of these are local government or privately provided.
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infrastructure of passable roads, hospitals, electricity, free public schools
Most of these are local government or privately provided.
On the contrary, all of them receive state or federal funding in some way or another. The only possible exception is electricity. My electricity is from a cooperative, which works really well.
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On the contrary, all of them receive state or federal funding in some way or another.
Actually, the "federal funding" that these receive are all based on local collections of various taxes. So, the money is collected locally, sent to the state or feds, who then juggle it around a bit and hand it back (+ or - a bit).
But "Big Government" is not required for any of these - they would probably be better if "Big Government" didn't insist on handling the money...
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On the contrary, all of them receive state or federal funding in some way or another.
Actually, the "federal funding" that these receive are all based on local collections of various taxes. So, the money is collected locally, sent to the state or feds, who then juggle it around a bit and hand it back (+ or - a bit).
But "Big Government" is not required for any of these - they would probably be better if "Big Government" didn't insist on handling the money...
No they aren't.
For roads it depends on what Federal or State roads go through a given local area (that comes under a local government). For example, a local government will be paid so much money to maintain and clear (if necessary) a U.S. Highway or a State Highway.
For public schools it varies as to how states fund them. Generally in this state the cities have superior schools to the counties, except in counties with a unified school system (where the cities and county schools have combined). Yet, the state does not handle the property taxes collected by local governments. But we do allocate funding of some of the taxes we do collect. With schools there have been court decisions that have changed funding principles.
Hospitals vary greatly in the type of hospital and the patients.
Electricity varies greatly as well. TVA provides a great deal of electricity here, but is self-sufficient as well. Still, there are many subsidies and tax breaks in the energy sector that make it difficult to determine just how much the Government is helping.
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For roads it depends on what Federal or State roads go through a given local area (that comes under a local government). For example, a local government will be paid so much money to maintain and clear (if necessary) a U.S. Highway or a State Highway.
Almost all of the money paid to the local government to maintain roads is collected locally via fuel taxes.
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On the contrary, all of them receive state or federal funding in some way or another.
I would consider state funding local. Just as i would consider county contributions to a city project as local.
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HOw can the Government give to the people more than it has taken from the people?
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in tangible or intangible benefits?
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in tangible or intangible benefits?
Either , the intangable gifts of government have a sorce in the people too.
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Something to do with "stealing good black men" away from black women appeared to be the (ir)rationale. I couldn't point out the reason, but the hostility was definately enough to have facilitated death threats.
That is possible, but I frankly have doubts that such would be the cause of death threats.
I never claimed it a "cause", simply referencing the vitriolic anger regarding a black male marrying or even dating a white woman, coming from those in the audience I saw & heard, that in my opinion, could have easily transitioned to death threats
Part of the problem is fame. A simular couple without the fame would have drawn less attention.
However Js, the couples I was referring too had no fame what-so-ever. The were simply on stage, and the vitriole aimed at them was almost tangible. I see fame as a part, but by no means integral to "the problem"