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Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« on: December 29, 2006, 02:26:09 PM »
Why We Need More Troops in Iraq

By Joseph Lieberman
Friday, December 29, 2006; Page A27

I've just spent 10 days traveling in the Middle East and speaking to leaders there, all of which has made one thing clearer to me than ever: While we are naturally focused on Iraq, a larger war is emerging. On one side are extremists and terrorists led and sponsored by Iran, on the other moderates and democrats supported by the United States. Iraq is the most deadly battlefield on which that conflict is being fought. How we end the struggle there will affect not only the region but the worldwide war against the extremists who attacked us on Sept. 11, 2001.

Because of the bravery of many Iraqi and coalition military personnel and the recent coming together of moderate political forces in Baghdad, the war is winnable. We and our Iraqi allies must do what is necessary to win it.

The American people are justifiably frustrated by the lack of progress, and the price paid by our heroic troops and their families has been heavy. But what is needed now, especially in Washington and Baghdad, is not despair but decisive action -- and soon.

The most pressing problem we face in Iraq is not an absence of Iraqi political will or American diplomatic initiative, both of which are increasing and improving; it is a lack of basic security. As long as insurgents and death squads terrorize Baghdad, Iraq's nascent democratic institutions cannot be expected to function, much less win the trust of the people. The fear created by gang murders and mass abductions ensures that power will continue to flow to the very thugs and extremists who have the least interest in peace and reconciliation.

This bloodshed, moreover, is not the inevitable product of ancient hatreds. It is the predictable consequence of a failure to ensure basic security and, equally important, of a conscious strategy by al-Qaeda and Iran, which have systematically aimed to undermine Iraq's fragile political center. By ruthlessly attacking the Shiites in particular over the past three years, al-Qaeda has sought to provoke precisely the dynamic of reciprocal violence that threatens to consume the country.

On this point, let there be no doubt: If Iraq descends into full-scale civil war, it will be a tremendous battlefield victory for al-Qaeda and Iran. Iraq is the central front in the global and regional war against Islamic extremism.

To turn around the crisis we need to send more American troops while we also train more Iraqi troops and strengthen the moderate political forces in the national government. After speaking with our military commanders and soldiers there, I strongly believe that additional U.S. troops must be deployed to Baghdad and Anbar province -- an increase that will at last allow us to establish security throughout the Iraqi capital, hold critical central neighborhoods in the city, clamp down on the insurgency and defeat al-Qaeda in that province.

In Baghdad and Ramadi, I found that it was the American colonels, even more than the generals, who were asking for more troops. In both places these soldiers showed a strong commitment to the cause of stopping the extremists. One colonel followed me out of the meeting with our military leaders in Ramadi and said with great emotion, "Sir, I regret that I did not have the chance to speak in the meeting, but I want you to know on behalf of the soldiers in my unit and myself that we believe in why we are fighting here and we want to finish this fight. We know we can win it."

In nearly four years of war, there have never been sufficient troops dispatched to accomplish our vital mission. The troop surge should be militarily meaningful in size, with a clearly defined mission.

More U.S. forces might not be a guarantee of success in this fight, but they are certainly its prerequisite. Just as the continuing carnage in Baghdad empowers extremists on all sides, establishing security there will open possibilities for compromise and cooperation on the Iraqi political front -- possibilities that simply do not exist today because of the fear gripping all sides.

I saw firsthand evidence in Iraq of the development of a multiethnic, moderate coalition against the extremists of al-Qaeda and against the Mahdi Army, which is sponsored and armed by Iran and has inflamed the sectarian violence. We cannot abandon these brave Iraqi patriots who have stood up and fought the extremists and terrorists.

The addition of more troops must be linked to a comprehensive new military, political and economic strategy that provides security for the population so that training of Iraqi troops and the development of a democratic government can move forward.

In particular we must provide the vital breathing space for moderate Shiites and Sunnis to turn back the radicals in their communities. There are Iraqi political leaders who understand their responsibility to do this. In Anbar province we have made encouraging progress in winning over local Sunni tribal leaders in the fight against al-Qaeda and other terrorists. With more troops to support them, our forces in Anbar and their Sunni allies can achieve a major victory over al-Qaeda.

As the hostile regimes in Iran and Syria appreciate -- at times, it seems, more keenly than we do -- failure in Iraq would be a strategic and moral catastrophe for the United States and its allies. Radical Islamist terrorist groups, both Sunni and Shiite, would reap victories simultaneously symbolic and tangible, as Iraq became a safe haven in which to train and strengthen their foot soldiers and Iran's terrorist agents. Hezbollah and Hamas would be greatly strengthened against their moderate opponents. One moderate Palestinian leader told me that a premature U.S. exit from Iraq would be a victory for Iran and the groups it is supporting in the region. Meanwhile, the tens of thousands of Iraqis who have bravely stood with us in the hope of a democratic future would face the killing fields.

In Iraq today we have a responsibility to do what is strategically and morally right for our nation over the long term -- not what appears easier in the short term. The daily scenes of death and destruction are heartbreaking and infuriating. But there is no better strategic and moral alternative for America than standing with the moderate Iraqis until the country is stable and they can take over their security. Rather than engaging in hand-wringing, carping or calls for withdrawal, we must summon the vision, will and courage to take the difficult and decisive steps needed for success and, yes, victory in Iraq. That will greatly advance the cause of moderation and freedom throughout the Middle East and protect our security at home.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/28/AR2006122801055.html

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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2006, 02:43:29 PM »
"Meanwhile, the tens of thousands of Iraqis who have bravely stood with us in the hope of a democratic future would face the killing fields."[/quote]



I expect the same thing , but it will be Bushes fault.

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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2006, 02:49:26 PM »
<<Meanwhile, the tens of thousands of Iraqis who have bravely stood with us in the hope of a democratic future would face the killing fields."[/quote]>>



<<I expect the same thing , but it will be Bushes fault.>>

It's nobody's fault but the traitor's when he pays the price for his treason.  There's only one word for a citizen of a country who joins the invaders who have killed hundreds of thousands of his own people:  traitor.

And when the Resistance finally triumphs - - as it probably will in this case - - there is only one fate he can expect: death.

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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2006, 03:18:56 PM »
Lieberman's analysis is compelling given his assumptions, but those assumptions are the real story: is Iraq now winnable as he envisions, and is the cost in reaching his goals worth the outcome?

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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2006, 03:40:32 PM »
"Meanwhile, the tens of thousands of Iraqis who have bravely stood with us in the hope of a democratic future would face the killing fields."



I expect the same thing , but it will be Bushes fault.
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And it would be because he broke it and couldnt fix it because of his stupid incompetence.

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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2006, 04:37:11 PM »
So, Lieberman (no surprise) is in favor of escalation.

So, McCain/Lieberman/Bush/Cheney all favor escalation of the "war".

Is there any reason whatsoever we should follow the advice of the people who created the problem in the first place?  And steadfastly refuse the advice of the people they assign to study the situation?

If Bush is indeed the CEO "president", then shouldn't the stockholders have fired his sorry ass years ago?  In what world would the equivalent of Ken Lay be allowed to continue as the head of a corporation that he has driven into the ground?

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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2006, 04:49:42 PM »
Leaving reliable facts aside since we are dealing with predictions rather than history, I will note nonetheless that those who oppose Lieberman's view, the withdrawal proponents, have not sketched a vision comparable to Lieberman's as to how their goals (please define them) can be achieved by the alternate course they suggest. Withdrawal or redeployment alone is only the initial stage of a coherent strategy, which should address the fate of the Iraqis left to their own devices at this point, and how we can position ourselves to prevail in the overall conflict with violent, radical Islam using withdrawal as the stepping-stone. Key to this analysis is the assumption, supported at least superficially by facts on the ground in Iraq, that the situation is now out of control, that it will descend into open civil war and that we have very little control over the course of events. In a very real sense, I suggest, this is the "grave and deteriorating situation" of which the Iraq Study Group has spoken, and it should be central to any "valid" analysis. (And, notably, Lieberman's does not really address that viewpoint but assumes it away.)

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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2006, 06:48:02 PM »
I shall remain on record as backing what the folks on the ground in Iraq say they need, not what politicians in DC think we need
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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2006, 07:00:08 PM »
That's just an excuse for not thinking. You don't even attempt to take an analysis as far as it can go within its structural limitations: you simply punt.

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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2006, 07:05:06 PM »
My friend Rose has 2 sons in  the Marines, one active, one not. But the one who has served his time (he's my son's best friend)  is expecting to be called back. This will make his 3rd tour of duty in Iraq.   
Rose thinks they should bring everyone home.  She gets told (by people who have no kids in Iraq) "Oh no, Rose, you don't know what you're talking about. YOU don't understand the situation."
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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2006, 07:11:03 PM »
That keys us into one (or a few) factors that go into making this next policy choice. As you well know, they are neither conclusive nor compelling standing alone. Indeed, the issue is at least titularly addressed by the "increase the Army and Marines" movement, which would seem to speak more directly to the problem you identify.

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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2006, 07:22:52 PM »
Lieberman is not so much the senator from Connecticut as he is the senator from Israel. He is as close to a NeoCon as any Democrat can get.

The more troops the US sends, the longer it will take to remove them, he reasons. Observe his stree on Syria (which hasn't even the hope of the potential to attack the US) and Iran, which currently hasn't the potential.

Ahmedinejad was counting on his strategy of scaring the Iranians  into voting for him and his pals. It did not work, and he is not nearly the minor threat that he once was.

His having a conference on the Holocaust was a bagful of air: just propaganda to annoy the Jews with and simultaneously giving him a macho status with his fellow Iranians. In the Middle East, to beat up on Israel is to beat up on a bully.

Israel, the regional bully by far and away, passes itself off in the US as a tiny David against a roomful of Goliaths. But that's a load of bull.

The surge will result in a lot of dead people. I really, really doubt that it will make this war winnable. But it's apparently necessary so Juniorbush can say that he tried.

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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2006, 07:33:32 PM »
Lieberschmuck.   That's all we need is advice from him.

I wish he'd taken my advice: Go play in traffic.
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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2006, 08:37:56 PM »
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My friend Rose has 2 sons in  the Marines, one active, one not. But the one who has served his time (he's my son's best friend)  is expecting to be called back. This will make his 3rd tour of duty in Iraq.   
Rose thinks they should bring everyone home.  She gets told (by people who have no kids in Iraq) "Oh no, Rose, you don't know what you're talking about. YOU don't understand the situation."

I don't see where Rose's feeling are anymore credible than her son's feelings. What are his thoughts? Does he think himself a dumbass for putting on the uniform?


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Re: Why We Need More Troops in Iraq (Persuasive essay by Lieberman)
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2006, 09:59:33 PM »
<<Meanwhile, the tens of thousands of Iraqis who have bravely stood with us in the hope of a democratic future would face the killing fields."
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<<I expect the same thing , but it will be Bushes fault.>>

It's nobody's fault but the traitor's when he pays the price for his treason.  There's only one word for a citizen of a country who joins the invaders who have killed hundreds of thousands of his own people:  traitor.

And when the Resistance finally triumphs - - as it probably will in this case - - there is only one fate he can expect: death.
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How can a majority of a country's population be traitors?