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Xavier_Onassis

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More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« on: April 24, 2014, 11:39:02 AM »
Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy has won acclaim from high-profile politicians in his standoff with the Bureau of Land Management. But they're unlikely to get so close to Bundy, after The New York Times quoted the 67-year-old making racially-tinged comments.

    'I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,' he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, 'and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids - and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch - they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.

    'And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?' he asked. 'They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom.'

Bundy's fight with the federal Bureau of Land Management dates to 1993 when the BLM eliminated livestock grazing in the area, citing the protection of an endangered tortoise species. That was when Bundy decided to stop paying grazing fees. Now, the agency says he owes more than $1.2 million. A federal judge first ruled in 1998 that Bundy was trespassing on federal land. Last year, a federal judge ruled the agency could remove the cattle.

The BLM, among others, says Bundy is breaking the law. Bundy says the land is his property, and he has accused the federal government of being overreaching and oppressive.

Some lawmakers have offered statements supportive of Bundy. One of them, Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.), quickly distanced himself. A Heller spokeswoman told the Times that the senator "completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy's appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way."

And here's a comment from Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), who has also been supportive of Bundy's cause: "His remarks on race are offensive and I wholeheartedly disagree with him."

Bundy is getting little sympathy outside his die-hard group of supporters and some conservative media backers.

Gosh, when even RAND PAUL turns away from you, you might not be such a hero.
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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2014, 06:54:33 PM »
  I think Bundy is liable to loose in court, which means there was never any need to have a government sponsored cattle raid.

    As to his "racist" remark how specifically are you contradicting him?

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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2014, 07:51:00 PM »
...and how exactly is he a "hero"?  Not to mention I recall a certain VP Biden making references to chains in front of a black audience....where was the liberal outrage there?  That was just as insensitive.  Actually worse, since that was politically driven.  Bundy appears to simply be very inarticulate
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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2014, 10:27:44 PM »
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-nevada-rancher-bundy-slaves-20140424,0,4670278.story#axzz2zrGSHhXA



     Accurate , but tactless observations are racist no matter how true.

     Who wants to say that Black Americans haven't got problems that relate to how the government treats them?

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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2014, 10:45:07 PM »
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/24/heres-video-of-cliven-bundy-making-those-racial-remarks-about-the-negro-and-slavery/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agXns-W60MI&feature=player_embedded

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/24/heres-video-of-cliven-bundy-making-those-racial-remarks-about-the-negro-and-slavery/

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Bundy‘s comments, which were first reported by the New York Times, were made during a news conference on Saturday that “drew one reporter and one photographer” in which the rancher discussed the larger issue of people becoming overdependent on government assistance.

Referring to past injustices perpetrated on certain minority groups, the rancher said America has progressed “quite a bit” until now.

“We sure don’t want to go back,” Bundy said. “We sure don’t want these colored people to go back to that point. We sure don’t want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies and do it in a peaceful way.”


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He certainly likes Mexicans , which is sort of racist.

But if saying that American Black people are unfortunately stuck in projects is racist , who isn't?

He blames the federal government for a part of the present plight, he says that the previous situation was even more unfair.

He certainly isn't glib, but what exactly is racist about stating the obvious?

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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2014, 10:55:14 PM »
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-23/news/ct-race-in-america-kass-met-0423-20140423_1_racial-preferences-race-cowards

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Attorney General Eric Holder said as much shortly after Barack Obama was elected president of the United States.

"Though this nation has proudly thought of itself as an ethnic melting pot, in things racial we have always been and continue to be, in too many ways, essentially a nation of cowards," said Holder in 2009.


Eric Holder has said a raft of things I do not agree with , but right there he made a very perceptive observation of the truth.


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..... then I thought of Holder.

He's gone back to that well — the one full of racial cowards in America — since that original 2009 speech. His comments obviously created controversy, with some thinking the word "cowardice" was a bit much.

"It's a question of being honest with ourselves and racial issues that divide us," Holder told journalists at a news conference called shortly afterward. "It's not easy to talk about it. We have to have the guts to be honest with each other, accept criticism, accept new proposals."


  Bravo , mister Attorney General, well said.



full text of that E. Holder speech...http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090218.html

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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2014, 11:07:32 PM »
Hey , he still thinks so...

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Attorney General Eric Holder reiterated his 2009 claim that Americans are a “nation of cowards” on racial issues on Thursday.

Holder’s effort to profile the entire nation as cowards came during a friendly interview with the University of Virginia’s Miller Center, where was asked if he would take back his 2009 remarks.

“I would not take that back,” he replied


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/24/eric-holder-us-still-a-nation-of-cowards-on-race/#ixzz2zrRK4kpq

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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2014, 08:02:32 AM »
You cannot defend that moron Bundy, so you go off on several tangents at once.

Yeah, as slaves Black people had a great family life, knowing that at any time members of the family could be auctioned off, spirited away and never seen again. They could eat only what they were fed, they could wear only clothes issued to them, then could not leave the plantation unless sent by the Massa.

Bundy has no idea how the people who he saw sitting on their porch supported themselves.

And Bundy is the one that has received a million dollars free grazing over the past 20 years.

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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2014, 10:54:14 AM »
Who the hell is defending him??  I realize this transparent effort to paint anyone who supported his actions regarding the BLM must then also be inarticulate, if not as supposedly as racist as he......that falls on deaf ears when folks from your own party and ideology routinely say garbage far worse, but they get a pass
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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2014, 02:51:19 PM »
Read the crap you previously posted, sirs. You clearly had the hots for Bundy.

What landlord lets anyone get away with not paying rent for 20 years. The old turkey has sued the government four times and lost each time. He says he does not recognize the government. He sounds like one of those nutjob polygamous renegade Mormons.

He yammers on about how slaves had so much better a family life. Hell, most of them were forbidden to marry, because it made it harder to auction them off in hard times. Remember, the years before the Civil War were classic Boom and Bust years for American capitalism. The price of tobacco, sugar and cotton fluctuated wildly. Thomas Jefferson, who was a pretty clever guy, went bankrupt in his old age and had to hock his library.
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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2014, 02:58:50 PM »
Read the crap you previously posted, sirs. You clearly had the hots for Bundy.

Perhaps you can repost precisely where you believe I had the "hots for him".  Ball in your court...or is this going to be yet another example of a meritless accusation, left only to your 99% erroneous opinion?

So, when you want to start criticising folks from your side for saying far more vile racist rhetoric, then you'll have a leg to stand on when condemning Bundy. 

All the while, the paintbrush you're trying to use that anyone who supported his actions must also share the same inarticulate mindeset, will remain just as empty as the bucket you're trying to pull the paint from


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Re: More about your hero, Cliven Bundy
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2014, 08:18:48 PM »
  XO ,this subject might be one of those scarce occasions when I and SIRS are in opposition.

  You may exploit the situation if you wish , exploration is always more the point than scoring points anyway.

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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2014, 08:24:58 PM »
You cannot defend that moron Bundy, so you go off on several tangents at once.

Yeah, as slaves Black people had a great family life, knowing that at any time members of the family could be auctioned off, spirited away and never seen again. They could eat only what they were fed, they could wear only clothes issued to them, then could not leave the plantation unless sent by the Massa.

Bundy has no idea how the people who he saw sitting on their porch supported themselves.

And Bundy is the one that has received a million dollars free grazing over the past 20 years.


It is certainly true that being enslaved was not good for black Americans , neither was the practical apartheid that held sway for the century that followed the Civil War.

But didn't Bundy say this ?

Didn't he exactly say that he didn't want to return to the former evils?

If you really disagree with him what do you disagree about specifically?

If someone more glib and diplomatic were to state that young black men get locked up too much and that many Black Americans are stuck in a plight that makes finding education and jobs difficult , would you disagree specifically with that?