DebateGate
General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Michael Tee on October 02, 2008, 11:24:18 PM
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I just walked out on the debate. Computer says it's 10:03 pm.
It's endless mindless bullshit - you voted for this, yeah but McCain voted for that; this kind of endless tit-for-tat BS with never a "Gotcha!" moment.
Biden - I was right about him from the start. He is NOT change. Has nothing to do with change. AND - he is too fucking OLD to EVER represent change. WHY WHY WHY? I thought, trying to find the silver lining, "Well, he's gonna earn his keep as an attack dog." Some attack dog. Attack hamster. MAYBE. This guy is a fucking disaster. Adds nothing to the ticket and at the same time pisses off anyone who ever got on board looking for change.
Palin - I know this is a very small objection, but would someone please tell this bimbo moron (bimbron??) that the "g" at the end of a present participle is NOT silent? I mean Jeeziz Fuckin Christ people, I know this is how even MSM anchors are talkin today but God damn it, show some fuckin respeck for that dwindling body of people who still really CAN speak English. OLDER people. This broad hasn't had an original intelligent thought in her head since the day she was born. She's bin stuffed full of talking points (OK, talkin points) and it shows. There is no possible response for her to ANY conversational opening but to open her mouth and disgorge another talking point, hopefully bearing some remote connection to the subject matter under discussion.
In general, this was not a debate and it was not even Q & A with s single moderator. It was plainly and simply a sloganeering contest which nobody was winning.
Anyone who thinks a mindless puppet with a crash course in sloganeering is fit in any way to be the President of the United States is in serious trouble. However, she gave no indication of being any worse in any way than the current office-holder.
My feeling is that this debate will fade into obscurity faster than any other Vice Presidential debate in recent history and that it will have zero effect on the election.
Palin is clearly unfit to serve as President of the United States, and I think that Obama would do very well in relentlessly attacking McCain's judgment for selecting her as VP instead of Romney. I would not mention the other Republicans, but leave it at Romney, who was clearly qualified. I think "He picked her over Romney?" would go over much better with Romney's name at the end than any other name, including Huckabee. Picking Palin over Romney will have to be seen as the height of irresponsibility.
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I watched the whole thing, but I think yiu are right, it was an hour and a half of No, We are right and you are wrong, you voted that way, no, YOU voted that way.
Palin was more irritating than Biden because she kept saying noo-kyoo-lerr, noo kyooo-lerr, and yuh instead of you, like she was a beginning actress trying to play the hick from the sticks on some dumb sitcom, and of course that constant harping on maverick, maverick, maverick. She came off as a great whacking phony.
But neither of them was very impressive, because they just didn;t answer the questions.
Ifill was in no way partial to anyone. She should have harped more on getting them to answer the damn questions.
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The sadness over the fact that Palin did not implode is palpable from certain corners of the group.
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Hate her accent eh?
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I'm really not sure what Tee's complianing about. Biden was far better than Obama was. Was much clearer and honest in his liberal record & ideology, made it clear that Judicial qualifications mean squat, it's all about what ideology you have now, attacked McCain (& Palin) on nearly every level of questioning. Perfect leftist candidate
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It SHOULD be about ideology. Not the pledge of allegiance, not flag pins, not the ACLU or abortion or gay marriage bans. Americans want an end to this stupid war, they want health care, they want responsible regulation of the financial industry and a sound dollar. They think that Juniorbush was a friggin' disaster and do not want a repeat. All these are ideological issues that actually matter.
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Upon further reflection, it seems clear to me that Palin executed a rather sophisticated game plan, surely not of her own creation, which was to keep the discussion mired in the arcana of past Senate votes which the audience had absolutely no recollection of, didn't give a shit about and wouldn't have understood anyway.
Biden, the schmuck (and I blame his staff for this too,) fell for it hook, line and sinker. At one point, (or maybe more than one, I walked out in the middle) when faced with one of these bizarre accusations, Biden actually had to explain what vote Palin was talking about (something only a veteran politician could do) before responding to her.
There had to be a way to break up Palin's game plan but apparently nobody had anticipated it. Even so, she still came across as a brain-dead Barbie Doll chock full o' other people's sound bites. Biden seemed a little stiff (but I missed the emotional part) but nevertheless, real.
BTW, I really wasn't expecting Palin to implode. I had too much faith in her trainers and handlers. Also, consistently dropping the final "g" isn't an accent, it's just atrociously bad English. And a real irritant.
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Also, consistently dropping the final "g" isn't an accent, it's just atrociously bad English. And a real irritant.
If it's consistent, then it's an accent.
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BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."
THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.
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PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007.
THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27001026/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27001026/)
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PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."
BIDEN: "The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way."
THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others. In the March 14 budget resolution supported by Obama and Biden, McCain actually did not vote.
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Also, consistently dropping the final "g" isn't an accent, it's just atrociously bad English. And a real irritant.
If it's consistent, then it's an accent.
One usually associates accents with:
A characteristic pronunciation, especially:
a. One determined by the regional or social background of the speaker.
b. One determined by the phonetic habits of the speaker's native language carried over to his or her use of another language.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/accent (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/accent)
However, according to a fellow Alaskan her accent is phony:
The Alaskan Accent
Everyone agrees - Tina Fey nails Governor Palin’s accent. But the real funny thing is no one in Alaska talks like Sarah Palin! In fact, Alaskans in my opinion are curiously without an accent. Sarah Palin has developed her very own, unique, red-neck meets Fargo North Dakota accent. I swear, no one in Alaska talks like that! Sure, you run into the occasional Alaskan who (like some southerners) never speaks in the past tense, but overall Alaskans have pretty good grammar, and have a neutral, flat speaking voice. Palin’s propensity for poor grammar and talking like a hick isn’t regional but just a reflection on her ignorance and lack of education.
http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/the-alaskan-accent/ (http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/the-alaskan-accent/)
I spent a whole miserable month in Alaska and can attest to this. Alaskans are crazy and stupid for living there, but they dont talk funny like the retarded Palin.
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Sarah Palin spent a lot of time in Idaho in her late teens and early twenties. Her accent includes a lot of features from that region as well.
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As I have said, there is a real Sarah Palin, and there is President Sarah Palin of Alaska, the Disney movie. We are not permitted to see the former, we are being shown the latter.
It's a clever ploy. We all know how Disney movies end.
Of course, in the movie she is gonna end up president. Sorry about that John. We hope it's painless. And involves a final display of courage.
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Sarah Palin spent a lot of time in Idaho in her late teens and early twenties. Her accent includes a lot of features from that region as well.
Could be . She went through 5 schools until she found one with low enough standards. My wife went to school in OK for a few years and came back talking like am Okie. She lost it in just a few months after she got back to Ca. But then ,believe it or not , my wife is an intelligent woman. Palin clearly is not.
I am just glad that you didnt anal fixate on what an accent is.
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I am just glad that you didnt anal fixate on what an accent is.
I leave the anal fixation in your well-experienced hands.
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I am surprised to see that you think Bill Clinton is a dumbass for not shaking that Arkansas accent.
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I don't think Palin is stupid, but she is ignorant. She does not lack the smarts to learn useful stuff, it's just that she hasn't done so.
Her accent would be okay, but to me it sounds phony, like she has been given lessons by one of the poorer dialect coaches from the movie industry.
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Can't help but notice that depending on what part of the country Obama is in, his inflection & dialect tend to lean to the area he's in. Kinda how Gore would try to "talk black", when he was at a black church, or with some southern twang, when he was in Gerogia or the Carolinas, while campaigning. Talk about phony
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Can't help but notice that depending on what part of the country Obama is in, his inflection & dialect tend to lean to the area he's in. Kinda how Gore would try to "talk black", when he was at a black church, or with some southern twang, when he was in Gerogia or the Carolinas, while campaigning. Talk about phony
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I didn't say Palin was a phony, I said she sounded phony. Like she drew a second-string voice coach.
The ability to authentically sound like one is from New York, New Jersey or Texas is a talent. Tom Hanks has played men from all around the country, and is quite good at getting the accent right. Politicians usually do not try to do this, because it annoys people like you who think that it is being phony. I don't see it as being any more phony than wearing a suit to a banquet in Manhattan and a flannel shirt to the Legion Hall in Yakima.
When I go to Argentina, I try to sound like an Argentine, though my normal accent is Mexican.
Gore was not being phony.He is a pretty uptight speaker, but in recent years he has improved a lot. He has always been a superior human being to Juniorbush or Cheney.
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<<If it's consistent, then it's an accent.>>
Using that logic, a speech impediment would be an accent.
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<<I am surprised to see that you think Bill Clinton is a dumbass for not shaking that Arkansas accent.>>
I never noticed Clinton consistently dropping the final "g." Can't imagine any well-educated Arkansan who would.
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I never noticed Clinton consistently dropping the final "g." Can't imagine any well-educated Arkansan who would.
I don't believe i said anything about dropping "g's". Clinton does have a noticeable southern/arkansas accent. And because he didn't drop it, he must be a dumbass, in the world according to Knute.
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Using that logic, a speech impediment would be an accent.
Most speech disorders are inconsistent. BTW, it is estimated that only 5-10% of the population does NOT suffer from some sort of speech disorder. Most of those disorders are very minor, however.
If a person uses the same sounds consistently in their speech, it is an accent. You have an accent, I have an accent, Sarah has an accent. None of the three of use will sound completely like the other two, because we grew up in different locations and learned different languages and phrases growing up.
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Let's review:
FDR had an accent
Truman had an accent.
JFK had an accent
LBJ had an accent
Carter had an accent
Clinton had an accent
And they are all dumbasses according to Knute.
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Can't help but notice that depending on what part of the country Obama is in, his inflection & dialect tend to lean to the area he's in. Kinda how Gore would try to "talk black", when he was at a black church, or with some southern twang, when he was in Gerogia or the Carolinas, while campaigning. Talk about phony
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I didn't say Palin was a phony, I said she sounded phony. Like she drew a second-string voice coach. The ability to authentically sound like one is from New York, New Jersey or Texas is a talent.
Ahhh, let the rationalizations begin. Palin, who consistently has the same accent, that doesn't change anywhere she goes, is deemed a phony. Obama's ability to modify his dialect depending on where he is, is deemed a talent. Nope, no kool-aide in that methodology ::)
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Palin - I know this is a very small objection, but would someone please tell this bimbo moron (bimbron??) that the "g" at the end of a present participle is NOT silent?
Actually, I did a bit of research on this. Apparently it's a feature of a variety of English known as "Hawaiian Pidgin", as well as a couple of Creole varieties. Sarah Palin spent some time going to school in Hawaii.
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Can't help but notice that depending on what part of the country Obama is in, his inflection & dialect tend to lean to the area he's in. Kinda how Gore would try to "talk black", when he was at a black church, or with some southern twang, when he was in Gerogia or the Carolinas, while campaigning. Talk about phony
It's not necessarily something he tries to do, or even is aware that he is doing. I can pick up an accent very quickly from people I'm talking to, and start using it myself, without knowing I am doing so. I try to watch out for it so that I don't do it, because some people get insulted and think they are being mocked, but sometimes it slips through. With his multicultural background, I'm not surprised he does it.
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Still comes off as "phoney", H, vs a consistent accent one has anywhere they happen to be, that's being called "phoney" by her critics. Nice rationalization effort though
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t's not necessarily something he tries to do, or even is aware that he is doing. I can pick up an accent very quickly from people I'm talking to, and start using it myself, without knowing I am doing so. I try to watch out for it so that I don't do it, because some people get insulted and think they are being mocked, but sometimes it slips through. With his multicultural background, I'm not surprised he does it.
It's called mirroring and usually results in positive responses from your target audience. Sales guys use this tool all the time, and when you think of it politics is nothing but sales.
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Bingo......yet Palin is supposed to be the "phoney" Go figure
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...rationalization effort...
WTFO?
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Now now......deep breathing......in thru the nose, out thru pursed lips. Don't blow a blood blister
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It's called mirroring and usually results in positive responses from your target audience. Sales guys use this tool all the time, and when you think of it politics is nothing but sales.
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That is entirely correct. It is a natural reaction for many people. Americans, who are monolingual, are unfamiliar with li
Everyone has an accent. The standard neutral accent in the US is called "American Standard Broadcast English", and it is basically the way people speak around Omaha.
Dan Rather was from Texas, but to become a national announcer, he had to stop saying Windsdee and Dallis and pronounce it 'Wendsday' and Dallas.
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Ahhh, let the rationalizations begin. Palin, who consistently has the same accent, that doesn't change anywhere she goes, is deemed a phony. Obama's ability to modify his dialect depending on where he is, is deemed a talent. Nope, no kool-aide in that methodology Roll Eyes
I have not heard Palin enough to know that she has "consistently the same accent". To me, she sounds like some sort of hybrid between Minnesota and Oklahoma. But it does not ring true to me. It sounds like she had a voice coach that was not very good at voice coaching. I am a linguist, and like a musician who can tell when a note is flat, I notice such things.
Palin is competitive and ambitious, and is trying very, very hard to please whomever she thinks she has to please in the Party. I am sure she does not WANT to sound phony.
I won't be voting for her, because I want this war to end, and I think Obama & Biden will be the most likely to do this. I am sick of Republicans, mavericks or just the usual GOpricks
I have not noted any inconsistency in Obama's accent at all, nor did I mention that I had. He seems to speak American Broadcast English everywhere. He gave a speech at my University here in Miami, and sounded just as he does everywhere else. I did not say that he had a talent for adapting his accent, I said Gore did, and of course, he did. But the people in his family had a wide range of different accents: Oklahoma, Tennessee, DC, Northeast US.
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I am surprised to see that you think Bill Clinton is a dumbass for not shaking that Arkansas accent.
Not at all the same thing and you know it. Bill was born and raised in ARK. He came by his accent legitimately unlike the phoney tard Palin. I am sure Bill could have lost his accent, but it served him well so why bother. No one doubts Clinton's intellect. Maybe his common sense sometimes, but not his intelligence. When 83 % of the people say that that bullshit performance by Palin exceeded their expectations meant they must have had some pretty low ones.
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Let's review:
FDR had an accent
Truman had an accent.
JFK had an accent
LBJ had an accent
Carter had an accent
Clinton had an accent
And they are all dumbasses according to Knute.
I would suspect others of being misleading here,but I think , unlike BT, you really dont know the difference.
They all had genuine accents. Palin's is at best phoney and at worst a show of her overwhelming retardation.
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I am just glad that you didnt anal fixate on what an accent is.
I leave the anal fixation in your well-experienced hands.
Seee? What did I tell y'all.?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyXDK2JBk_U[/youtube]
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Now now......deep breathing......in thru the nose, out thru pursed lips. Don't blow a blood blister
Then explain to me, please, why it is that when I post a simple, plausible, possible explanation for something you perceive to be a problem, you come back and accuse me of making an effort to simply 'rationalize' whatever it is that you disagree with. I did not say that was the reason Obama spoke the way he did, I merely offered it as a possibility, much as BT explained that it is also used by salesmen. Yet for some reason, you seem to feel the irresistable urge to take every opportunity to insult me. Why? Is it because I don't explain my post in enough detail for you? Is it because I don't make it simple enough for you to understand? What's the problem?
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No problem at all.
You've concluded that team Palin/McCain are much worse than team Biden/Obama. You have made numerous posts highly critical of the former, and very few of the latter, some even supportive. Here we have comments referencing true sincere accents vs those made up, and you immediately post 1 explaination of why it's reasonably normal to "make it up". Perhaps had you applied a mild reference in the defense of Palin's so-called phony accent, one might not be led to believe your initial response was anything other than a rationalization effort in support of team Biden/Obama
Now, try not to get defensive and try to put yourself in my place. You see someone typing/posting condemnation after condemnation of McCain/Palin. You see very few criticisms of Obama/Biden, even some that are actually supportive, if not defending some of their positions. You see then this effort to explain some of the "phoniness" of Obama's changing dialects. You're telling me you would not initially support the notion that said explaination might not be another effort in defending Obama, perhaps??
But hey, if you're just making some casual, completely objective "plausible" comment, in light of your prior posts and near support of Obama vs condemnations of McCain, my apologies
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I would suspect others of being misleading here,but I think , unlike BT, you really dont know the difference.They all had genuine accents. Palin's is at best phoney and at worst a show of her overwhelming retardation
And what is your level of expertise that leads you to conclude the Palin's accent is contrived?
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I would suspect others of being misleading here,but I think , unlike BT, you really dont know the difference.They all had genuine accents. Palin's is at best phoney and at worst a show of her overwhelming retardation
And what is your level of expertise that leads you to conclude the Palin's accent is contrived?
I said it could be phony or an expression of her retardation just like Bush either lied us into war or is a stupid fuck. I actually opt for retardation like her fellow Alaskan that I quoted earlier.( He put it a little nicer):
The Alaskan Accent
Everyone agrees - Tina Fey nails Governor Palin’s accent. But the real funny thing is no one in Alaska talks like Sarah Palin! In fact, Alaskans in my opinion are curiously without an accent. Sarah Palin has developed her very own, unique, red-neck meets Fargo North Dakota accent. I swear, no one in Alaska talks like that! Sure, you run into the occasional Alaskan who (like some southerners) never speaks in the past tense, but overall Alaskans have pretty good grammar, and have a neutral, flat speaking voice. Palin’s propensity for poor grammar and talking like a hick isn’t regional but just a reflection on her ignorance and lack of education.
http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/the-alaskan-accent/ (http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/28/the-alaskan-accent/)
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Here it is for you in a nutshell, Sirs...
I grew up in a military family, and we moved around quite a lot. Because of this, I was exposed to a lot of different regional accents while I was young, and, unknown to me, it became rather easy for me to pick up or lose an accent, depending on whom I was talking to and their accent. When I left home and went into the Army, again, I moved around quite a lot, this time to quite a number of countries for varying periods of time over my six years in the Army. Again I was exposed to different languages, different accents when I was around people who spoke English. Just before I went into the Army, it was brought to my attention in Chicago, by a young fellow of Puerto Rican extraction, that he thought I was mocking his accent, when I actually had no idea I was speaking with a Puerto Rican accent. Hence my comment that Obama may not have been aware of what he was doing. It was a simple observation, based on my own personal experience over the years. In no way would it have benefitted Obama, or detracted from McCain or Palin, even if that had been my aim. I admit I don't like the old geezer and the perky chick, and I favor Obama ove them. Hell, I'd favor damned near anyone over them. But unlike you, not everything goddamned thing I do or say is driven by politics, and I resent it when some snot-nosed little shit like you takes it upon himself to try to take everything I say and use it to impugn my honor and integrity. So from now on, if you have any more snide remarks about me, please keep them to yourself.
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Knute,
I doubt you want me to take seriously comment about Palin's accent from a blog that runs stories about how Alaska screws military families because unless they change their residency and file for the resource rebate they aren't eligible.
There is no scientific study that I am aware of that links accents to retardation.
http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/alaska-screws-over-army-and-air-force-families/ (http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/alaska-screws-over-army-and-air-force-families/)
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I doubt you want me to take seriously comment about Palin's accent from a blog that runs stories about how Alaska screws military families because unless they change their residency and file for the resource rebate they aren't eligible.
This is funny, too.
Welcome to Alaska, there's a sale on "youth rifles"! Nothing like killing animals to help with childhood development, it really gets 'em primed for date rape once they hit puberty. I snapped a few pictures around town because I've gotten several emails from Alaskans telling me that they have lived here for 20+ years and NEVER seen anything like what I've written about on this blog. Hmm, maybe these folks were born without, say, eyes?
http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/alaskan-love-guns-part-2/ (http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/alaskan-love-guns-part-2/)
The attached pic:
(http://alaskanexposure.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/gunsstore.jpg)
You'll notice that sale is for "BB rifles" not real rifles. Perhaps he should check his own eyes...
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Here it is for you in a nutshell, Sirs... I admit I don't like the old geezer and the perky chick, and I favor Obama ove them. Hell, I'd favor damned near anyone over them. But unlike you, not everything goddamned thing I do or say is driven by politics, and I resent it when some snot-nosed little shit like you takes it upon himself to try to take everything I say and use it to impugn my honor and integrity. So from now on, if you have any more snide remarks about me, please keep them to yourself.
Speaking of snide and inability to not become defensive ::) I thought I had asked for at least 1 effort to try and look at it from my perspective, and to be a little objective. I even included a conditional apology. Too difficult perhaps?
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Sarah Palin has developed her very own, unique, red-neck meets Fargo North Dakota accent.
Wow ....
It must take a geinus to do that.
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Knute,
I doubt you want me to take seriously comment about Palin's accent from a blog that runs stories about how Alaska screws military families because unless they change their residency and file for the resource rebate they aren't eligible.
There is no scientific study that I am aware of that links accents to retardation.
http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/alaska-screws-over-army-and-air-force-families/ (http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/alaska-screws-over-army-and-air-force-families/)
I am so shocked that you do not support our troops! You must be a troophater to deny them some relief if they have to live in that frozen hell-hole. Shucks even disney gives military discounts to our "heroes.
Accents arent a link to retardation but the retarded do have different speech patterns :
What is a person with autism like?
A child with high functioning autism may have a normal or high I.Q., be able to attend a regular school and hold a job later in life. However, this person may have difficulty expressing himself and may not know how to mix with other people. Moderately and more seriously affected children with autism will vary tremendously. Some autistic children do not ever develop speech, while others may develop speech but still have difficulty using language to communicate. Often, there is an unusual speech pattern, such as echoing whatever is said to them, repeating a word over and over, reversing "you" and "I" when asking for something, and speaking only to express needs, rather than emotions.
A child with autism looks just like any other child, but has distinctive behaviour patterns. A child who is autistic may enjoy rocking or spinning either himself or other objects, and may be happy to repeat the same activity for a long period of time. At other times, the child may move very quickly from one activity to another, and may appear to be hyperactive. Many autistic children have sensitivity to certain sounds or touch, and at other times, may appear not to hear anything at all. Autistic children may have very limited pretend play; they may not play appropriately with toys or may prefer to play with objects which are not toys. Autistic children may be able to do some things, like sing songs or recite rhymes very well, but may not be able to do things requiring social skills very well.
http://www.autism-india.org/afa_aboutautism.html (http://www.autism-india.org/afa_aboutautism.html)
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I am so shocked that you do not support our troops! You must be a troophater to deny them some relief if they have to live in that frozen hell-hole. Shucks even disney gives military discounts to our "heroes.
I have no problems with servicemen stationed in Alaska who meet the requirements set forth by the Alaskan Legislature receiving a resource rebate.
They just have to meet the requirements. And of course, they have to apply.
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I doubt you want me to take seriously comment about Palin's accent from a blog that runs stories about how Alaska screws military families because unless they change their residency and file for the resource rebate they aren't eligible.
This is funny, too.
Welcome to Alaska, there's a sale on "youth rifles"! Nothing like killing animals to help with childhood development, it really gets 'em primed for date rape once they hit puberty. I snapped a few pictures around town because I've gotten several emails from Alaskans telling me that they have lived here for 20+ years and NEVER seen anything like what I've written about on this blog. Hmm, maybe these folks were born without, say, eyes?
http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/alaskan-love-guns-part-2/ (http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/alaskan-love-guns-part-2/)
The attached pic:
(http://alaskanexposure.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/gunsstore.jpg)
You'll notice that sale is for "BB rifles" not real rifles. Perhaps he should check his own eyes...
You can tell by just looking at a picture? You must be of superrace stuff. He is referring to youth rifles and those arent BB guns. Maybe you should not only check the link but tell the truth for once in your life.
http://www.whitetaildeer-management-and-hunting.com/youth-rifles.html (http://www.whitetaildeer-management-and-hunting.com/youth-rifles.html)
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I am so shocked that you do not support our troops! You must be a troophater to deny them some relief if they have to live in that frozen hell-hole. Shucks even disney gives military discounts to our "heroes.
I have no problems with servicemen stationed in Alaska who meet the requirements set forth by the Alaskan Legislature receiving a resource rebate.
They just have to meet the requirements. And of course, they have to apply.
You might think the superpatriots in Alaska like Palin & the legislature might insist on the US military in their state getting something special. They arent all black, ya know
Support the troops must mean Fuck the troops up their.
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You might think the superpatriots in Alaska like Palin & the legislature might insist on the US military in their state getting something special. They arent all black, ya know
Typical leftwing crap. Demanding privileges with out doing the paperwork.
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You can tell by just looking at a picture?
Yep. And reading the sign.
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You can tell by just looking at a picture?
Yep. And reading the sign.
That is only one out of many , many guns. But y'all do love to jump to conclusions with limited evidence at great cost to all just like Iraq.
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Either that or your blogger is a liar.
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Either that or your blogger is a liar.
I maintain and the american people now see that that y'all are the liars . Y'all have been proven liars many times over. On Iraq, the taxcuts for the rich, the deregulation ad infitum ad nauseum
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You are the one who chose the delusional alaskan blogger with his fake accents and bb guns to bolster your credibility.
Don't blame me if he didn't help your case.
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You are the one who chose the delusional alaskan blogger with his fake accents and bb guns to bolster your credibility.
Don't blame me if he didn't help your case.
Dont need any help thank you. O is way ahead and will stay that way now that your brilliant debater*snicker*(Palin ) is sidelined
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You can tell by just looking at a picture? You must be of superrace stuff.
Yeah, I learned to read early in life.
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You can tell by just looking at a picture? You must be of superrace stuff.
Yeah, I learned to read early in life.
Still that is only one gun out of many and you decided to cover up theothers . How disgusting but typical of your lying ilk.
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Still that is only one gun out of many and you decided to cover up theothers . How disgusting but typical of your lying ilk.
Only the "Youth BB Rifles" were on sale. Perhaps your source can provide a picture of a "Youth Rifle" on sale to bolster his point.
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Still that is only one gun out of many and you decided to cover up theothers . How disgusting but typical of your lying ilk.
Only the "Youth BB Rifles" were on sale. Perhaps your source can provide a picture of a "Youth Rifle" on sale to bolster his point.
My source probly did not anticipate RW anal retentives focusing on the minutia of his anorectal fistulas .
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My source probly did not anticipate RW anal retentives
Your source probably didn't expect readership that would be capable of critical thinking.
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Still that is only one gun out of many and you decided to cover up theothers . How disgusting but typical of your lying ilk.
Only the "Youth BB Rifles" were on sale. Perhaps your source can provide a picture of a "Youth Rifle" on sale to bolster his point.
The sign was originally one gun until you moved it like the Rw always distorts things. What is the likelihood that all of those different rifles would e $22.88?
(http://debategate.com/new3dhs/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7799.0;attach=281;image)
It is the Buck youth rifle that is on sale.It is the bb.
http://www.buy.com/prod/daisy-model-105-buck-youth-bb-gun/q/loc/17250/202108242.html (http://www.buy.com/prod/daisy-model-105-buck-youth-bb-gun/q/loc/17250/202108242.html)
And observe oh superior one that the sign says rifle(singular) and the guns are not all the same.
(http://alaskanexposure.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/gunsstore.jpg)
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My source probly did not anticipate RW anal retentives
Your source probably didn't expect readership that would be capable of critical thinking.
More like delusional thinking ( See above) Y'all obviously have very little experience with reality and see only what you want. This is very dangerous, yaknow. Look atb how the Bushidiot has screwed up the economy, country and world with his stubborn reality creationism
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There are gun stores that market guns to teens through their parents. This photo may not prove it, but it certainly does not disprove it,
BB guns are still similar weapons. You point them, you shoot them, you can at least put an eye out with them. Call then a 'starter' weapon. Like pot is a 'starter' drug. Or maybe tobacco, chawin' tobacco or snoose.
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The sign was originally one gun until you moved it like the Rw always distorts things. What is the likelihood that all of those different rifles would e $22.88?
I enlarged it so you could read it - it was not a distortion, because the original is still available above.
Apparently only one rifle was on sale, and it was a BB rifle, not a real rifle. His post said that they had "children's rifles" for sale, yet he could not post a picture with a sale sign for those "children's rifles"?
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The sign was originally one gun until you moved it like the Rw always distorts things. What is the likelihood that all of those different rifles would e $22.88?
I enlarged it so you could read it - it was not a distortion, because the original is still available above.
Apparently only one rifle was on sale, and it was a BB rifle, not a real rifle. His post said that they had "children's rifles" for sale, yet he could not post a picture with a sale sign for those "children's rifles"?
The point is that you covered the other rifles. I might not accuse anyone else of doing this , but nearly everything you do is done to mislead and deceive.
Another way to mislead is to misinterpret quotes the whole article is about Youth Rifles. >Alaskans Love Guns, part 2
Welcome to Alaska, there’s a sale on “youth rifles”! Nothing like killing animals to help with childhood development, it really gets ‘em primed for date rape once they hit puberty. I snapped a few pictures around town because I’ve gotten several emails from Alaskans telling me that they have lived here for 20+ years and NEVER seen anything like what I’ve written about on this blog. Hmm, maybe these folks were born without, say, eyes?
I didn’t have to go further than my local drug store to get pictures of piles of guns that would make David Koresh drool, or to see a dead animal head mounted on a wall. Just today I wandered into a local brewery for the first time and was greeted at the door by a stuffed grizzly, murdered and forced to spend eternity wearing a macrame beret with a dusty bouquet of dried roses jammed in his mouth.
http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/alaskan-love-guns-part-2/ (http://alaskanexposure.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/alaskan-love-guns-part-2/)
< Not one word about "childrens rifles".
You really should be ashamed of your weak suck lies and distortions.Btw Even if they were just BB guns, which they are obviously , not they arent exactly harmless either.
http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/1779/Guns-Youth-CHILDREN-INJURED-KILLED-BY-GUNFIRE.html (http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/1779/Guns-Youth-CHILDREN-INJURED-KILLED-BY-GUNFIRE.html)
But whats a few dead and blinded kids for a rough , tough Rwer who loves to mince words and distort truth while fixating on his youknow what ?
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The point is that you covered the other rifles. I might not accuse anyone else of doing this , but nearly everything you do is done to mislead and deceive.
As I said, I enlarged the sign, since you obviously have bad eyesight. If I had wanted to deceive, I would have just eliminated the other rifles by cropping. However, you can continue to see the other rifles in my picture, and you can just scroll back to a previous picture to see them in full.
Not one word about "childrens rifles".
Only if you ignore the words "Welcome to Alaska, there's a sale on 'youth rifles'!"
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The point is that you covered the other rifles. I might not accuse anyone else of doing this , but nearly everything you do is done to mislead and deceive.
As I said, I enlarged the sign, since you obviously have bad eyesight. If I had wanted to deceive, I would have just eliminated the other rifles by cropping. However, you can continue to see the other rifles in my picture, and you can just scroll back to a previous picture to see them in full.
Not one word about "childrens rifles".
Only if you ignore the words "Welcome to Alaska, there's a sale on 'youth rifles'!"
I said Youth Rifles for but you cropped that out of the post for chrissakes. At long last,have you no shame at all? You must think that if you post last that means you win. It really only means that you prove yourself a bigger liar and anal retentive.
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but you cropped that out of the post for chrissakes. At long last,have you no shame at all?
Look at the photos. The words "youth rifles" is in both.
Aren't youths also called children?
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but you cropped that out of the post for chrissakes. At long last,have you no shame at all?
Look at the photos. The words "youth rifles" is in both.
Aren't youths also called children?
My point is that I said Youth Rifles and Ami cropped it. Do you really think that someone like Ami who requires perfection from others would switch youth to children by accident ? Not likely , Palin asked Biden if she could call him Joe so she could shove it up his ass with "say it aint so Joe" drivel.
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Do you really think that someone like Ami who requires perfection from others would switch youth to children by accident ?
*I* require perfection? And you ask that of the guy who criticizes other's SPELLING?
Would you prefer "yute"?
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Do you really think that someone like Ami who requires perfection from others would switch youth to children by accident ?
*I* require perfection? And you ask that of the guy who criticizes other's SPELLING?
Would you prefer "yute"?
How could I who never places an apostrophe when it is required criticize spelling? I am criticizing your misuse of words , not your spelling and suggesting their might be a motive to your uncharacteristic sloppiness. But your changing the topic must be indicative of your exhaustion at acting the fool.
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How could I who never places an apostrophe when it is required criticize spelling? I am criticizing your misuse of words , not your spelling and suggesting their might be a motive to your uncharacteristic sloppiness. But your changing the topic must be indicative of your exhaustion at acting the fool.
I didn't say that you criticized spelling. Perhaps your reading comprehension could improve. Go back and re-read the post to see where you went wrong.
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How could I who never places an apostrophe when it is required criticize spelling? I am criticizing your misuse of words , not your spelling and suggesting their might be a motive to your uncharacteristic sloppiness. But your changing the topic must be indicative of your exhaustion at acting the fool.
I didn't say that you criticized spelling. Perhaps your reading comprehension could improve. Go back and re-read the post to see where you went wrong.
I do find whatever it is your saying rather obtuse, but there is no doubt that you are skirting what the point was which is that you are a liar , a cheat and a fool.
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I do find whatever it is your saying rather obtuse, but there is no doubt that you are skirting what the point was which is that you are a liar , a cheat and a fool.
You have a pathological need to insult me, don't you?
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I do find whatever it is your saying rather obtuse, but there is no doubt that you are skirting what the point was which is that you are a liar , a cheat and a fool.
You have a pathological need to insult me, don't you?
It is a good sign.
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I do find whatever it is your saying rather obtuse, but there is no doubt that you are skirting what the point was which is that you are a liar , a cheat and a fool.
You have a pathological need to insult me, don't you?
It is a good sign.
I agree, it is a good sign that I expose people that accuse others of being liars & cheaters of being the liars & cheats themselves. The fact that they cannot even recognize and/or acknowledge their wrongness is what makes them the fool. This is typical of the right. They do it whenever they feel reality almost setting in and/or their money threatened by taxes.
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I do find whatever it is your saying rather obtuse, but there is no doubt that you are skirting what the point was which is that you are a liar , a cheat and a fool.
You have a pathological need to insult me, don't you?
I will stop now that I have made you cry. Oh, I feel so baaaad! This is what I expected of Palin. Maybe next time.
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I will stop now that I have made you cry. Oh, I feel so baaaad! This is what I expected of Palin. Maybe next time.
Thank you for demonstrating your pathological need again.
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I will stop now that I have made you cry. Oh, I feel so baaaad! This is what I expected of Palin. Maybe next time.
Thank you for demonstrating your pathological need again.
No- Thank you for allowing me the opportunity!