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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2010, 06:45:36 AM »
SCROOGE WAS A LIBERAL

December 22, 2010

It's the Christmas season, so godless liberals are citing the Bible to demand the redistribution of income by government force.
Didn't Jesus say, "Blessed are the Health and Human Services bureaucrats, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"?

Liberals are always indignantly accusing conservatives of claiming God is on our side. What we actually say is: We're on God's
side, particularly when liberals are demanding God's banishment from the public schools, abortion on demand, and taxpayer
money being spent on Jesus submerged in a jar of urine and pictures of the Virgin Mary covered with pornographic photos.

But for liberals like Al Franken, it's beyond dispute that Jesus would support extending federal unemployment insurance.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the Bible, but it does nicely illustrate Shakespeare's point that the "devil can cite
Scripture for his purpose."

What the Bible says about giving to the poor is: "Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give,
not reluctantly or under compulsion
, for God loves a cheerful giver." (2 Corinthians (9:7)

Being forced to pay taxes under penalty of prison is not voluntary and rarely done cheerfully. Nor do our taxes go to
"the poor." They mostly go to government employees who make more money than you do.

The reason liberals love the government redistributing money is that it allows them to skip the part of charity that
involves peeling the starfish off their wallets and forking over their own money. This, as we know from study after study,
they cannot bear to do. (Unless they are guaranteed press conferences where they can brag about their generosity.)

Syracuse University professor Arthur Brooks' study of charitable giving in America found that conservatives give 30 percent
more to charity than liberals
do, despite the fact that liberals have higher incomes than conservatives.

In his book "Who Really Cares?" Brooks compared the charitable donations of religious conservatives, secular liberals,
secular conservatives and "religious" liberals.

His surprising conclusion was ... Al Franken gave the most of all!

Ha ha! Just kidding. Religious conservatives, the largest group at about 20 percent of the population, gave the most
to charity
-- $2,367 per year, compared with $1,347 for the country at large.

Even when it comes to purely secular charities, religious conservatives give more than other Americans, which is
surprising because liberals specialize in "charities" that give them a direct benefit, such as the ballet or their children's
elite private schools.

Indeed, religious people, Brooks says, "are more charitable in every measurable nonreligious way."

Brooks found that conservatives donate more in time, services and even blood than other Americans, noting that
if liberals and moderates gave as much blood as conservatives do, the blood supply would increase by about 45 percent.

They ought to set up blood banks at tea parties.

On average, a person who attends religious services and does not believe in the redistribution of income will give away
100 times more -- and 50 times more to secular charities -- than a person who does not attend religious services and
strongly believes in the redistribution of income.

Secular liberals, the second largest group coming in at 10 percent of the population, were the whitest and richest of
the four groups. (Some of you may also know them as "insufferable blowhards.") These "bleeding-heart tightwads,"
as New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof calls them, were the second stingiest, just behind secular conservatives,
who are mostly young, poor, cranky white guys.

Despite their wealth and advantages, secular liberals give to charity at a rate of 9 percent less than all Americans
and 19 percent less than religious conservatives. They were also "significantly less likely than the population average
to return excess change mistakenly given to them by a cashier." (Count Nancy Pelosi's change carefully!)

Secular liberals are, however, 90 percent more likely to give sanctimonious Senate speeches demanding the forced
redistribution of income. (That's up 7 percent from last year!)

We'll review specific liberals next week.

Needless to say, "religious liberals" made up the smallest group at just 6.4 percent of the population
(for more on this, see my book, "Godless").

Interestingly, religious liberals were also "most confused" of all the groups. Composed mostly of blacks and Unitarians,
religious liberals made nearly as many charitable donations as religious conservatives, but presumably, the Unitarians
brought down their numbers, making them second in charitable giving.

Brooks wrote that he was shocked by his conclusions because he believed liberals "genuinely cared more about
others than conservatives did" -- probably because liberals are always telling us that.

So he re-ran the numbers and gathered more data, but it kept coming out the same. "In the end," he says,
"I had no option but to change my views."

Every other study on the subject has produced similar results. Indeed, a Google study of philanthropy found an even
greater disparity, with conservatives giving 50 percent more than liberals. The Google study showed that liberals
gave more to secular causes overall, but conservatives still gave more as a percentage of their incomes.

The Catalogue for Philanthropy analyzed a decade of state and federal tax returns and found that the red states
were far more generous than the blue states
, with the highest percentage of tightwads living in the liberal Northeast.

In his book "Intellectuals," Paul Johnson quotes Pablo Picasso scoffing at the idea that he would give to the needy.
"I'm afraid you've got it wrong," Picasso explains, "we are socialists. We don't pretend to be Christians."

Merry Christmas to all, skinflint liberals and generous Christians alike!
"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987

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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2010, 07:19:39 AM »
Iraqi Christians Cancel Christmas Amid Threats

http://news.mobile.msn.com/en-us/articles.aspx?afid=1&aid=40791595

Sure am glad we invaded Iraq, spreading tolerance and religious freedom around the world.

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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2010, 11:58:23 AM »


Don't pretend that no one is hostile.





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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2010, 01:29:59 PM »
There are atheists and then there are anti-theists.

Just as there are theists and anti-atheists.

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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2010, 01:58:05 PM »
(exactly BT)

Plane, Hostile?

I'm not sure that hostile is the right word. Sure, there are hostile atheists. We had one in here, can't remember his name, he still posts on occasion. But those people are nut jobs who don't believe in god but believe crap like Bush was behind 9/11 or the CIA killed John Kennedy or we're in Afghanistan to build a pipe line, etc., etc., on, and on.

I haven't read any of these books but they aren't necessarily hostile. They could be just making different points about religion, or beliefs, or the brain, or mankind. From a personal perspective I don't think belief in a creator god will last much longer. That doesn't make me hostile.

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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #36 on: December 23, 2010, 07:00:41 PM »
There seems to be a spectrum.

If I speak of hostility , be asured that I am referring only to the hostile ones.


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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #37 on: December 23, 2010, 09:08:16 PM »
if you think about it athiesm has a better chance to have more decentralized ideals than religion. It`s not like they got a athiest pope to make sure everybody is on the same page or a Athiest bible to make eveybody have a single reference point.

Unless I`m wrong and there is a athiest pope.

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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2010, 11:39:30 AM »
Atheists are not a unified group any more than anarchists are. Each one has his own reasons and opinions.

If you put Ayn Rand, Robert Heinlein and Kurt Vonnegut in a room, they would not agree on anything other than atheism.

There will always be religious people, and there will always be atheists. The difference is that religious people, notably Sand People religions (ie Abrahamic faiths) tend to want to impose their religions on everyone. Atheists are less likely to do this.
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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2010, 12:41:21 PM »
Atheists are not a unified group any more than anarchists are. Each one has his own reasons and opinions.

Very few religions are unified. For example, look at how many Christian sects there are, and even within each of those sects are constant squabbles as everyone tries to get their own viewpoint heard / followed.
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« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2010, 01:08:14 PM »
Most Christian sects are at least unified enough to meet at the same time and place in a building they have built of at least rented. Atheists are even less unified than that. I do not recall the Methodist church I attended as a child ever had more disputes than over building new facilities. I do not recall any disputes over beliefs or dogma.
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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2010, 08:08:03 PM »
If you ask an athiest "What is good ?" or" Who is good?"

Do you get any standard answers ? Or does each one come up with his own?

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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2010, 12:22:45 AM »
How useful is the Bible at indicating what is good and what is not?

Three of the Ten Commandments refer to God and the Sabbath. The other seven are pretty much features of every government, regardless of religion.

I do not believe that atheists are any more or less accurate at determining good and evil than Christians, Muslims or Jews.
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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2010, 01:00:00 AM »
How useful is the Bible at indicating what is good and what is not?

Three of the Ten Commandments refer to God and the Sabbath. The other seven are pretty much features of every government, regardless of religion.

I do not believe that atheists are any more or less accurate at determining good and evil than Christians, Muslims or Jews.

Of course , that is cause you can't tell what is good at all.

No yardsticks.

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Re: We need more Governors like Arizona Governor Jan Brewer!
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2010, 11:21:19 AM »
actually the real question about the bible is should it be totally be oral or written. which is better to manipulate. often people keep saying" the bible says" . but if thier was no bible, could those people use qoutes from memory to thier advantage to same way as using the bible?