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The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« on: December 06, 2012, 11:50:21 PM »
You know, the Republicans who headed off 9/11 before it happened and then surrounded bin Laden in Tora Bora and introduced him to his maker? And the very same Republicans who "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" Iraq in just a few short weeks? And the very same Republicans who put up a candidate for President who loves this country so much his money is kept off shore so he doesn't have to give unto Caesar? Well, they've done it again. They've saved America from the threat of an international terrorist group that gets around in wheelchairs.   

Ahh, my heroes, the Republicans.

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Santorum Strikes Again
By GAIL COLLINS
Published: December 5, 2012

Lately, you’ve probably been asking: “What ever happened to Rick Santorum? The guy who ran for president in the sweater vest? The one who compared homosexuality to bestiality and did 50 push-ups every morning?” It’s certainly been on my mind.

Santorum is still in there swinging. Lately, he’s been on a crusade against a dangerous attempt by the United Nations to help disabled people around the world. This week, he won! The Senate refused to ratify a U.N. treaty on the subject. The vote, which fell five short of the necessary two-thirds majority, came right after 89-year-old Bob Dole, the former Republican leader and disabled war veteran, was wheeled into the chamber to urge passage.

“We did it,” Santorum tweeted in triumph.

Well, it doesn’t get any better than that.

The rejected treaty, the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, is based on the Americans with Disabilities Act, the landmark law Dole co-sponsored. So, as Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts kept pointing out during the debate, this is a treaty to make the rest of the world behave more like the United States. But Santorum was upset about a section on children with disabilities that said: “The best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration.”

“This is a direct assault on us and our family!” he said at a press conference in Washington.

O.K.

The hard right has a thing about the United Nations. You may remember that the senator-elect from Texas, Ted Cruz, once railed that a 20-year-old nonbinding United Nations plan for sustainable development posed a clear and present threat to American golf courses.

The theory about the treaty on the disabled is that the bit about “best interests of the child” could be translated into laws prohibiting disabled children from being home-schooled. At his press conference, Santorum acknowledged that wasn’t in the cards. But he theorized that someone might use the treaty in a lawsuit “and through the court system begin to deny parents the right to raise their children in conformity with what they believe.”

If I felt you were actually going to worry about this, I would tell you that the Senate committee that approved the treaty included language specifically forbidding its use in court suits. But, instead, I will tell you about my own fears. Every day I take the subway to work, and I use a fare card that says “subject to applicable tariffs and conditions of use.” What if one of those conditions is slave labor? Maybe the possibility of me being grabbed at the turnstile and carted off to a salt mine isn’t in the specific law, but what if a bureaucrat somewhere in the Metropolitan Transportation Authority decided to interpret it that way?

No one should have to live in fear of forced labor in the salt mine just because she bought a fare card at the Times Square subway station! I want some action on this matter, and I am writing to my senator right away.

But about the U.N. treaty.

In the Capitol this week, disabled Americans lobbied for ratification, arguing, among other things, that it could make life easier for them when they travel. Since more than 125 countries have already signed onto the treaty, there will certainly be pressure to improve accessibility to buses, restrooms and public buildings around the globe. It would be nice if the United States was at the table, trying to make sure the international standards were compatible with the ones our disabled citizens learn to handle here at home.

But, no, the senators were worried about the home-school movement. Or a boilerplate mention in the treaty of economic, social and cultural rights that Senator Mike Lee of Utah claimed was “part of a march toward socialism.”

At least some of them were. There would almost certainly have been plenty of votes to approve the treaty if the Republicans had felt free to think for themselves. The “no” votes included a senator who had voted for the treaty in committee, a senator who had sent out a press release supporting the treaty and a senator who actually voted “aye” and then switched when it was clear the treaty was going down anyway. Not to mention a lot of really depressed-looking legislators.



The big worry was, of course, offending the Tea Party. The same Tea Party that pounded Mitt Romney into the presidential candidate we came to know and reject over the past election season. The same Tea Party that keeps threatening to wage primaries against incumbents who don’t do what they’re told. The Tea Party who made those threats work so well in the last election that Indiana now has a totally unforeseen Democratic senator.

The threat the Republicans need to worry about isn’t in the United Nations.

http://www.skweezer.com/s.aspx?q=http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/opinion/collins-santorum-strikes-again.html

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 12:08:04 AM »
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/05/santorum-un-disabilities-treaty-would-ve-had-bureaucrats-unseat-parents.html



How does Mr. Santorum become more Republican than Bob Dole?

How does Mr. Santorum get credit for actions of the Senate , which is chaired by a Democrat , because its majority is Democrat?

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2012, 12:19:05 AM »
I give up. How's your ass?

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2012, 12:25:02 AM »
Gail Collins seems so eager to criticise Republicans , that she has completely forgotten that the Senate is majority Democrat.

Democrats must have had a reason to vote against this treaty, but I doubt that Rick Santorum led the Democrats to their decision , he doesn't seem that popular with them.

Why didn't this Treaty get a lot of Democratic votes?

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2012, 12:50:03 AM »
"Led by Republican opposition, the Senate on Tuesday rejected a United Nations treaty on the rights of the disabled that is modeled after the landmark Americans with Disabilities Act.

With 38 Republicans casting "no" votes, the 61-38 vote fell five short of the two-thirds majority needed to ratify a treaty. The vote took place in an unusually solemn atmosphere, with senators sitting at their desks rather than milling around the podium. Former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, looking frail and in a wheelchair, was in the chamber to support the treaty.

The treaty, already signed by 155 nations and ratified by 126 countries, including Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia, states that nations should strive to assure that the disabled enjoy the same rights and fundamental freedoms as their fellow citizens."

http://www.skweezer.com/s.aspx?q=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/04/disability-treaty_n_2238181.html

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2012, 12:58:34 AM »
That is a sad picture , I like Bob Dole , he is a good sport .

I didn't hear about this before it was over , so I should not pretend to be well breifed on the subject.

If this treaty were to be ratified , what exactly would be changed?

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2012, 01:05:09 AM »
Looks like all the dems present voted for it and 8 GOP members crossed the line to help out. But the numbers just weren't there. Reid should have known that before he brought it to a vote.

Santorum does some lobbying for the FRC . I am guessing that is why he was involved. Nothing wrong with a guy earning a check so to feed his family.

Collins looks like she is trying to fill the shoes of Molly Ivins.

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2012, 01:15:03 AM »
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-12-06/how-the-senate-failed-u-dot-s-dot-businesses-and-bob-dole


  The Chamber of Commerce likes the treaty.

   I haven't completely decided whether I like it or not , but right now I feel as if I would rather trust Bob Dole's recomendation.

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2012, 01:20:44 AM »
I'm not a big fan of the UN. And since we have the ADA i don't see how that treaty needs our approval. What does the treaty end up costing us in real dollars?

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2012, 01:34:10 AM »
I'm not a big fan of the UN. And since we have the ADA i don't see how that treaty needs our approval.

Precisely
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2012, 01:34:24 AM »
Would this treaty give the US clout in foreign lands to get the rights and needs of disabled respected?

I don't know if it would cost much, but I would assume it does, the US tends to drop a lot of cash on the UN.

Would the US be obliiged to chip into the fund that produced the changes?

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2012, 01:55:45 AM »
Would this treaty give the US clout in foreign lands to get the rights and needs of disabled respected?

I don't know if it would cost much, but I would assume it does, the US tends to drop a lot of cash on the UN.

Would the US be obliiged to chip into the fund that produced the changes?

Damned if i know. Anyone have the text of the treaty bill voted down? That would probably provide the necessary info to determine the answers to your questions.

Maybe it will be added to the peace corps checklist.



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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2012, 02:18:19 AM »
The point of the treaty is to try and put the world in the same place we, the US, are post our disabilities act. Remember, we are dealing with a world that operates now, more often than not, globally.  This is just like our putting pressure on the Islamic countries to give women greater freedom.

You know, don't you get it? We have to lead. We are the global leaders when it comes to human rights. Like it or not, and I like it, the world still looks to us.


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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2012, 02:48:58 AM »
In this question we already do lead.

A treaty with the UN , to do what we are already doing , seems harmless .

But shouldn't a law be needfull ?

If this changes nothing, I am against clutter in the law and stacking of ignored treatys.

I need to know more , I doubt Bob Dole would have favored it if it had no utility.

I just don't know yet what that is.

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Re: The Republicans to the Rescue, Again
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2012, 03:02:21 AM »
Either the treaty has teeth and requires the US to do something or it is simply a symbolic feel good treaty that doesn't supply one board towards building that ramp to the schoolhouse.

Again i haven't read the treaty so i don't have the info to form a solid opinion, nor am i interested enough in it to go searching for it. But if the Collins article was correct each signatory can modify the treaty to their own circumstances i don't see where it means anything.