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Plane

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Old news about NK
« on: October 20, 2006, 04:15:58 AM »
Tuesday, August 19, 1986;


"The Kims are so wise that they understand the most complex industrial project better than do the engineers in charge. Kim Chong Il is seen in a North Korean film giving instructions on installation of showers in a school."


"Visitors say nutrition appears to be uniformly strong. Doctors are in good supply, although it is unclear how much training they get. "Children's palaces," facilities that combine day care, schooling and political education, are found around the country.

The economy is modeled on Soviet-style central planning and suffers from some of the same ailments of poor management, shop-floor ideology and mismatched quotas as the original.

The Kims constantly intervene. Their support is critical for getting major projects moving, but no one knows how many have been put on the wrong track by some chance gesture or remark they make during a visit."



"It is not all explained by Confucianism, however. Where that creed does not fit, it is discarded. Hereditary succession is anathema to Confucian principles of legitimacy through merit. So are statues and self-aggrandizement; the ideal ruler is supposed to be humble, willing to learn."

"Juche is also evident in economic strategy. While the south is thriving by tying its future to the world economy, its rival has relatively little foreign trade (about $2.5 billion in 1985, Japanese officials say, compared to the south's $31 billion). It prefers to make everything it can itself, ignoring economies of scale. Although it could buy them overseas more cheaply, it makes locomotives, trucks, bulldozers and boring machines in its own factories."


 "China is engaged in indirect trade with South Korea worth hundreds of millions of dollars annually. China clearly wants peace on the Korean peninsula and is counseling North Korea in that direction, analysts say.

There is plenty of evidence that suggests North Korea has other plans, however. U.S. and South Korean analysts say that in the past 10 years, it has roughly doubled its military strength and today is systematically moving units closer to the DMZ and building forward airstrips and bomb-proof positions."


"For several years, the north has called for three-way political and military talks among itself, the south and the United States. The United States and the south refuse, saying discussions must begin between the Korean parties and make real progress before anyone else gets involved. The north's real intention, U.S. officials say, is to bypass the south and try to work a separate deal with Washington."


"The north has now followed with an equally unacceptable call for a conference to make Korea -- meaning the south -- a nuclear-free zone. Thirty-three years after the armistice, a meeting of minds seems as far off as ever."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/18/AR2006101800847_2.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/18/AR2006101800847_4.html




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Has South Korea had Nuclear wepons for a long time?
« Last Edit: October 20, 2006, 04:30:54 AM by Plane »

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Re: Old news about NK
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2006, 05:58:31 PM »
Historical Summary of Military Fissile Material and Nuclear Weapons Programs (Text Only Version)

Nuclear Weapons programs that began before 1970 when the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) came into force, succeeded, and are still ongoing
The United States
Russia
The United Kingdom
France
China
Israel
India

Programs that essentially ended by the time NPT started

Australia
Egypt
Sweden
Canada

Programs that ended after 1970

Argentina
Brazil
Romania
South Africa
South Korea
Spain
Switzerland
Taiwan
Yugoslavia

Intentions suspected but no nuclear weapons program identified

Algeria
Syria

Programs that started after 1970 and:
   Succeeded and are ongoing

Pakistan

Are suspected to be actively seeking nuclear weapons
North Korea
Iran

Are now ended
Libya
Iraq

Factions within advocated for or sought nuclear weapons, but these ambitions ended by the time NPT started

Italy
Japan
Germany
Norway

Inherited nuclear weapons, but now a non-nuclear weapon state party to the NPT

Belarus
Kazakhstan
Ukraine
 


Please note:

No evidence exists of an Argentine nuclear weapons program, but suspicions remain that one existed.
Spain, which had a military dictatorship, developed unsafeguarded nulcear facilities during the 1960s and 1970s. U.S. officials said in the late 1980s that they suspected that Spain had nuclear weapons ambitions or a program.
Nigeria and Indonesia are occasionally named as countries that had nuclear weapons intentions, but these claims have not been substantiated.

see http://www.isis-online.org/mapproject/introduction.html

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Re: Old news about NK
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 08:34:36 PM »
Would South Korea profit at all from having Nuclear Weapons?


It would be as easy as anything for the very industrial South Korea to build a number of Bombs and an unstoppable delivery system , but then what?


Would the North be deterred from using theirs , would China be offended?


Could South Korea and Japan act in cahoots with nuclear project?

No one in all of Korea feels kindly twards Japan , they haven't been free from Japan much longer than they were enslaved .
« Last Edit: October 22, 2006, 08:54:46 PM by Plane »

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Re: Old news about NK
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2006, 08:46:12 PM »
I concur with all what you said, but, then again, they are scared of the North. Will fear win out?

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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 08:59:13 PM »
I concur with all what you said, but, then again, they are scared of the North. Will fear win out?



It might , I don't know if Kim Jung Ill expected South Korea to deploy a set of Glickem that would destroy Notrth Korea utterly in a retaliation for a Northern attack that may kill a million a day without Atomic Wepons , but he should have considered the possibility.


Of all the ironys the worst is that the North and the South are very close cousins , I have had conversations with South Koreans and they do not like a map to have a bold red line across it , they really feel the kinship .