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Let's see if the GOP gets it now
« on: September 15, 2010, 12:40:16 PM »
Tea Party favorites win GOP primaries in Delaware, New York

(CNN) -- Tea Party favorites won two primary elections over more mainstream Republicans on Tuesday, demonstrating again the clout of the conservative political movement on the political right.

Now the question is whether the right-wing candidates can also defeat Democratic rivals in November's congressional elections, when the stakes are higher and the full electorate is deciding.

The results in Delaware and New York highlighted the last major day of primary voting before the upcoming election in just under seven weeks.

Voting in seven states and the District of Columbia included embattled veteran U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel's victory in his New York Democratic primary despite allegations of ethics violations, and D.C. Mayor Adrian Fenty's bid to hold off a major primary challenger.

In addition, former Gov. Robert Ehrlich won the Republican gubernatorial primary in Maryland to set up a rematch against Martin O'Malley, the Democrat who ousted him in 2006.

In Delaware, conservative political commentator Christine O'Donnell easily defeated nine-time U.S. Rep. Mike Castle in the Republican U.S. Senate primary, giving the Tea Party movement another major victory over a candidate backed by the national GOP.

"We the people will have our voice heard in Washington, D.C., once again," a beaming O'Donnell told exuberant supporters at her victory party in Dover.

O'Donnell won more than 53 percent of the vote in the bitter campaign that displayed internal Republican warfare between conservative Tea Party supporters and the more moderate party structures.

Castle was backed by the national Republican Party, while O'Donnell received the endorsement of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as well as $150,000 in late funding from the Tea Party Express.

O'Donnell, running as a Washington outsider, insisted the Republican establishment was trying to drive her out of the race and hand victory to Castle, whom she refers to as "the anointed one."

In response, conservative stalwart Bill Kristol, who fears O'Donnell is incapable of winning the Senate seat in November, said: "I know Sarah Palin. I respect Sarah Palin. And with all due respect -- Christine O'Donnell is no Sarah Palin."

In her victory speech, O'Donnell made a plea unity, saying: "If those same people who fought against me work just as hard for me, we will win."

Later, she told CNN that she can win without the support of the national Republican Party.

"They don't have a winning track record," O'Donnell said of the national party. "If they're too lazy to put in the effort that we need to win, then, so be it."

The National Republican Senatorial Committee offered its congratulations to O'Donnell immediately after the result was determined.

"We congratulate Christine O'Donnell for her nomination this evening after a hard-fought primary campaign in Delaware," said a statement by Rob Jesmer, the NRSC executive director.

However, a top Republican official told CNN on Tuesday night that O'Donnell will have to show she can generate viable support before the national party will give her money.

"It is now incumbent on Sarah Palin, (U.S. Sen.) Jim DeMint and the Tea Party Express to help support her," the official said on condition of not being identified by name. "They got her here. Now make it happen."

O'Donnell will face Democrat Christopher Coons, the New Castle County Executive, in November for the seat formerly held by Vice President Joe Biden.

In New York, conservative Carl Paladino defeated Rick Lazio in the Republican gubernatorial primary to set up a November showdown with Democrat Andrew Cuomo, the son of former Gov. Mario Cuomo. Paladino received Tea Party support in defeating Lazio, who also was supported by some conservative groups.

The New York governor's post has proven hazardous in recent years. Gov. Eliot Spitzer resigned amid a prostitution scandal, and his successor, David Paterson, decided against running for another term due to allegations of wrongdoing involving World Series tickets and a domestic abuse case involving an aide.

In New Hampshire, conservative candidate Ovide Lamontagne saw an early lead vanish in his bid to upset former state Attorney General Kelly Ayotte, the candidate favored by establishment Republicans. The winner will run in November to succeed retiring Republican Sen. Judd Gregg.

Ayotte gave up her state post to run for the Senate nomination with encouragement from national Republicans. Considered the favorite in the seven-candidate contest for months, Ayotte instead found herself with a razor-thin lead with Lamontagne, a Manchester attorney and the 1996 Republican nominee for governor, with 52 percent of the returns accounted, according to AP figures.

Local Tea Party groups, the conservative New Hampshire Union Leader newspaper and DeMint, the influential conservative senator from South Carolina, all backed Lamontagne.

Unlike O'Donnell in Delaware, though, Lamontagne didn't get Palin's endorsement. Instead, Palin backed Ayotte, calling her a "Granite Grizzly" and "the true conservative running for the U.S. Senate in New Hampshire."

However, Palin's endorsement and Ayotte's support from many national Republicans may have backfired in fiercely independent New Hampshire.

Victories by O'Donnell and Paladino, and the possibility of a triumph by Lamontagne in New Hampshire, showed the strength of the Tea Party within the political right, after similar results ousted GOP incumbents or insiders in Idaho and Alaska.

However, the Republican infighting also raised questions about GOP unity heading into November.

Rangel, meanwhile, received help from former President Bill Clinton in defeating five challengers in the Democratic primary for the House seat he has held for 40 years.

Despite allegations by the House ethics committee that Rangel committed financial wrongdoing and harmed the credibility of Congress, he raised more money than his opponents and easily won the vote in his Harlem district.

The situation was reversed in Washington, where Fenty swept into office in 2006 promising to fix the District of Columbia's struggling schools. However, the AP figures showed he trailed City Council Chairman Vincent Gray with 28 percent of the votes counted, in part because of union opposition to his education reform efforts.

"We've got an uphill battle because we made tough decisions," Fenty said before the vote. "We'll continue to make those tough decisions because they're right for the people. But we're not naive. We know this has cost us a little political popularity that we came into the polls with."

The race is being closely watched far beyond the District of Columbia because the outcome could carry significant implications for the national debate over education reform.

Fenty brought in Michelle Rhee as chancellor of D.C. Public Schools, and she has since become famous for changes that that have become a model of education reform advocated by the Obama administration.

Rhee shut down two dozen schools, fired hundred of educators -- including more than 100 teachers this summer -- for poor performance, and overhauled the teacher evaluation system to include, for the first time, student performance as a measure of success. Local and national teachers unions have fought her efforts.


Yea, that Palin....what an anchor to Republicans
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Re: Let's see if the GOP gets it now
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 01:24:54 PM »
In a clear sign of the grassroots pressure on Republican leaders, National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn just put out a statement embracing Christine O'Donnell -- a dramatic contrast with his group's curt response last night -- and writing her a big check.

It's a remarkable reversal, and a vivid illustration that the base is in charge and has the leadership running scared.

Cornyn:

"Let there be no mistake: The National Republican Senatorial Committee ? and I personally as the committee?s chairman ? strongly stand by all of our Republican nominees, including Christine O?Donnell in Delaware.

I reached out to Christine this morning, and as I have conveyed to all of our nominees, I offered her my personal congratulations and let her know that she has our support. This support includes a check for $42,000 ? the maximum allowable donation that we have provided to all of our nominees ? which the NRSC will send to her campaign today.

We remain committed to holding Democrat nominee New Castle County Executive Chris Coons accountable this November, as we inform voters about his record of driving his county to the brink of bankruptcy and supporting his party?s reckless spending policies in Washington.

In the weeks ahead, we will decide where to best allocate additional financial resources among the large number of competitive races at stake this November. While it?s not in Republicans? interest to advertise our spending strategy to our opponents, it?s worth noting that just yesterday, the NRSC?s first independent expenditure ad aired in support of Dr. Rand Paul?s campaign in Kentucky, where we firmly believe that he will win in November.

It remains to be seen whether national Democrats will provide a similar level of support for many of their nominees, including in key battleground states like Indiana, Ohio, Florida, Arkansas, Illinois, and New Hampshire, among others. The Democrats? indecision reflects the fact that Republicans are on offense in at least 12 Democrat-held states and we are leading in the polls in seven of those 12 states.

Finally, on the matter of the New Hampshire Senate race, while the results remain outstanding, we continue to monitor the Republican primary race, and we stand ready to fully support whichever candidate is chosen as the nominee.?
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Re: Let's see if the GOP gets it now
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2010, 02:52:04 PM »
What will a bunch of neophyte no-ideologically  pure right wing teabaggers do is elected? They will produce gridlock.

Maybe we'll be seeing scenes in Congress like we have seen in the Ukraine or Taiwanese parliament: elected representatives having fistfights.

The best government in the US has always been a result of compromise.  A Congress with 90 Ron Pauls in it would get us nowhere.
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Re: Let's see if the GOP gets it now
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 03:42:43 PM »
What will a bunch of neophyte no-ideologically  pure right wing teabaggers do is elected? They will produce gridlock.

HOOORAAA!!!  Let's bring this current neanderthal pure left wing socialist agenda to a grinding halt

 ;D

Interesting how heavy handed liberals look forward to embracing "compromise", when their current efforts at ramrodding their policies down our throats are about to be electorally denounced....in spades
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Re: Let's see if the GOP gets it now
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 04:04:55 PM »

National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn just put out a
statement embracing Christine O'Donnell -- a dramatic contrast with his group's
curt response last night -- and writing her a big check.

Of course Texan Cornyn embraced her!


SIRS...as soon as I watched George Stephanopoulos' attempted hatchet
job interview this morning with Christine O'Donnell I immediately
went to her website and donated $100. It's ridiculous...a democrat
wins some big election and the next day people like Stephanopoulos
are throwing "soft balls"...."whats it feel like to win?"...."are you
excited?"....blah blah....but Stephanopoulos with someone like her
and Rand Paul has a completely different combative attitude & agenda
of bringing up the dirt as soon as possible!




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Re: Let's see if the GOP gets it now
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 05:33:51 PM »
w0w!....looks like I wasn't the only one donating today!

Headline from Drudge this afternoon:

CASH POURS IN FOR O'DONNELL; CAMPAIGN WEBSITE CRASHES...
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Re: Let's see if the GOP gets it now
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 05:38:10 PM »
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Re: Let's see if the GOP gets it now
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 06:52:47 PM »
And on a definative related note to the thread title, which echos one of the more accurate  ;)  points BT has made, is that the GOP can't run on slogans.  If they're worried that O'Donnel doesn't have the same chance that Castle had against a Democrat candidate in a majority Democrat state, its because they (the GOP) won't be able to run on simple slogans. 

They'll have to articulate precisely why and how fiscal discipline and a reigned-in Government is what will bring about economic recovery & a decrease in unemployment.  They need to specifically articulate, without talking down to folks, why conservative principles benefit a nation that is Freedom oriented, and that that freedom is open to every and all American Citizens

They need to articulate precisely what they legislatively plan to do, and if they run on such a platform, such as maintaining the Bush tax cuts, defunding much, if not all, of Obamacare, and a willingness to have Obama come to them vs they go to him, as it relates to domestic spending, folks like O'Donnell will win in states like Delaware, come Nov
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Re: Let's see if the GOP gets it now
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2010, 10:04:07 AM »
They'll have to articulate precisely why and how fiscal discipline and a reigned-in Government is what will bring about economic recovery & a decrease in unemployment.  They need to specifically articulate, without talking down to folks, why conservative principles benefit a nation that is Freedom oriented, and that that freedom is open to every and all American Citizens.



Lots of luck with that.

Then they can explain how a person whose insurance company refuses to cover it defines as previous conditions is ever so much more free than someone who is covered and will not have to go for broke to save their life.

reign and rein are different words. One deals with kings, the other with horses. You seem to mean "reined" and not "reigned". And of course, there is what happened when water fell from the sky rained.

Look it up if you like.
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Re: Let's see if the GOP gets it now
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2010, 11:49:53 AM »
They'll have to articulate precisely why and how fiscal discipline and a reigned-in Government is what will bring about economic recovery & a decrease in unemployment.  They need to specifically articulate, without talking down to folks, why conservative principles benefit a nation that is Freedom oriented, and that that freedom is open to every and all American Citizens.

Then they can explain how a person whose insurance company refuses to cover it defines as previous conditions is ever so much more free than someone who is covered and will not have to go for broke to save their life.

You'll have to provide the link where I'm advocating no government, or how "free" actually means not payed for by someone else, or where in the constitution, is it a "right" that someone provide you healthcare services


reign and rein are different words. One deals with kings, the other with horses. You seem to mean "reined" and not "reigned". And of course, there is what happened when water fell from the sky rained.

The spelling nazi arises.  Been a while. Thanks for the heads up, though I'm confident most folks knew what I meant, just as you did.  But thanks anyways
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2010, 07:50:04 PM »
They'll have to articulate precisely why and how fiscal discipline and a reigned-in Government is what will bring about economic recovery & a decrease in unemployment.  They need to specifically articulate, without talking down to folks, why conservative principles benefit a nation that is Freedom oriented, and that that freedom is open to every and all American Citizens

No Circular Firing Squads, Please
by Carol Platt Liebau

There is no shortage of commentary about the Tea Party upset in Delaware -- or recriminations between two factions of the right: The Tea Partiers and the GOP Establishment.   Plenty of commentators are condemning commentators like Karl Rove, Charles Krauthammer and others who have opined that Christine O'Donnell cannot win the Delaware Senate seat; on the other side, there's no shortage of invective (though voiced more privately) about the "crazies" in the Tea Party.

I have an idea: Let's all stop it

Others on the right are not our problem here; President Obama and the Democrats are the problem.

Tea Partiers' voices are being heard, and that's a good thing: They are much-needed advocates for limited government -- nothing is more central to our freedom and eventual economic recovery.  Although (as with any group) some of them may be part of the fringe, they certainly are NOT crazy: They are people who take the US Constitution seriously, and America is blessed to have them to defend our system of representative democracy during perilous times.  Their determination and vigor may end up being the salvation of us all.

But the GOP Establishment isn't crazy, either.  It's made up of two parts: Commentators and politicos/office-holders.  As for the former, commentary is what they do for a living, and they are entitled to their opinions, even if I don't agree with them -- at least to the extent that they don't allow themselves to be used by the MSM and other liberals as nothing but a tool to cudgel the grassroots, and as long as they aren't taking active steps to turn their "predictions" about defeat into reality (something of which I've seen few signs so far).  They're not the Tea Party's "enemy" -- and the right in America isn't about punishing those who dare disagree with their "conventional wisdom," whatever wing of the right it comes from.

The other part of the GOP establishment is made up of politicos and office-holders.  Their primary function and goal is to secure as many Republican seats -- of any stripe -- that they can.  It doesn't make them bad; that's just who they are and what they do.  The beauty of the Tea Party is that they can influence these people -- unless they go so far over the top in insulting them that the influence disspates.  Then, God help us all: We will be divided, and thereby cede the field to the Big Government crew of Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

Maybe we all -- me included -- need to take a deep breath and realize that the Tea Party's principles of small government and freedom have the best chance of taking hold in an environment where Tea Partiers recognize the GOP establishment as their allies most of the time, and resolve to work with them whenever possible.

In turn, the GOP establishment has to realize and respect the fact that the function of the Tea Party isn't to win seats for people just because they have "R"'s after their names -- it's to advance a specific set of principles.  If the GOP establishment wants to reap the electoral benefits of Tea Party support, it had best find strong, principled candidates who are committed to those ideals.

If each side recognizes the function and priorities of the other -- as a fact, not a value judgment -- it's perfectly possible for both to maximize the chances of attaining their objectives. 

So let's get back to figuring out how to replace the Obama "Government Knows Best" era with Republican office-holders who embrace the free market, limited government, and freedom.

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