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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2011, 02:56:14 AM »
I'm not even sure that racism is something that I could grasp the "suchness" of.  Suppose that "racism" isn't one unified approach to life but a congeries of similar but distinctively different attitudes related to various aspects of race.  Suppose one "racist" just has an illogical physical aversion to black people, whereas another has a whole pseudo-scientific approach related to "superior" and "inferior" races and the need of the "superior" race to keep its bloodlines pure, and a third guy is just seeing the whole thing in societal terms based on competition for work or women?  There wouldn't be any "suchness" to racism, only to each of the three or four attitudes.

And sometimes it's just the "suchness" of an individual southerner's take on current events - - why does the guy think like that?  What is the "suchness" of BT or plane, for example?  HOW MUCH of it is "racism," however racism is defined in the circumstances?

But the bigger question of course is once you come to the problem with open mind, no preconceptions, what's your next step?  Where do you go FROM the open-mind contemplation?  Getting back to our original exchange, that's where I saw the "open-mind" as a kind of dead end.  Socrates, or at least the scientific method that grew out of his inquiries, at least had a multi-stage system of inquiries (form a theory, design and conduct experiment, observe results, draw conclusion) that keeps you moving forward from the initial empty-mind stage.

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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #61 on: October 24, 2011, 03:40:58 AM »
Shit, well, it's my fault. See we're already in trouble. I introduced a concept, racism, and now our minds are off to the races, no pun intended.

It's too late here now, I'll tackle this tomorrow.

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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #62 on: October 24, 2011, 04:06:37 AM »
One more thing. A student of a well known Zen master, whose name escapes me at the moment, wrote a book about this Master using direct quotes from student, master, conversations. It was a highly researched, and very well written book.

Before publishing it the student/author showed the book to this/his Zen Master. The Master thumbed it briefly, and tossed it in the fire saying, you shouldn't have written it. He continued, see now people will get attached to all the words in the book and never get to "don't know mind."

Anyway, the book was published. It's a great guide, I've read it, and it's fortunate the student didn't take his teachers advice in this case.  But that's an example of how seriously these Zen monks take this stuff.


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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #63 on: October 24, 2011, 05:11:08 AM »
    Carry clean water in a muddy bucket.

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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #64 on: October 24, 2011, 05:20:11 AM »
There wouldn't be any "suchness" to racism, only to each of the three or four attitudes.

And sometimes it's just the "suchness" of an individual southerner's take on current events - - why does the guy think like that?  What is the "suchness" of BT or plane, for example?  HOW MUCH of it is "racism," however racism is defined in the circumstances?


Do you examine a southerner in the same terms as you would ...a goblin?

http://www.goblinscomic.com/10142005/

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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #65 on: October 24, 2011, 05:22:50 AM »
Water that appears clean on visual inspection could harbour deadly bacteria.  If it comes muddy, you'll never drink it without boiling it first and if it comes looking clean, you might drink it first without boiling?

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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #66 on: October 24, 2011, 05:29:37 AM »
  Does this mean that an obvious racism is a lessor threat than a stubtle racism? Perhaps a racism you could have internalised without knowing ?

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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #67 on: October 24, 2011, 05:58:17 AM »
<<Do you examine a southerner in the same terms as you would ...a goblin?>>

On the internet nobody knows you're a dog  -  -   or a goblin or a southerner.  I got to know you, plane, over the internet. You're the only southerner I know; haven't met any dogs or goblins yet, far as I know.

At first I didn't know you were a southerner.  I didn't start to "examine" you, but facts about you began to build up.  Not necessarily in the following order, I learned about you:  you were a strong supporter of the U.S. military; had served in the U.S. Navy and seen the world (but not in combat;) had Confederate ancestors and were actually quite proud of them; admired the U.S.A. and its role in world politics even after WWII; hated communism and socialism; belonged to a labour union; lived in Georgia and still hated General Sherman; were extremely gracious, polite and diplomatic; a real devotee of the Christian religion, which I'd always felt was a lot of pagan blasphemy with a nice ethical overlay that they almost never observed in their interracial or foreign relations  . . .

I never really examined you, but the facts just kept coming in.  And then at some point, I began to connect the dots:  the picture began to look like what I had learned of the white southerners, none of whom I'd ever really met, though I'd passed through their region two or three times, starting with a road trip from Toronto to Miami Beach that I'd been taken on in 1948-1949 over the Christmas holidays, and of course, I'd read William Faulkner and Ernest Caldwell and all the MSM that streamed out of the South in the Fifties and Sixties.  You were a southerner and many of your (to me) bizarre ideas began to become sort of natural, at least in terms of the person holding them.  Right or wrong, that's the extent of how I "examined" - - or IF I examined - - a southerner.  I found it a very interesting experience, and I hope I've properly thanked you for your openness and willingness to share ideas with me over the years.

BSB suggests coming to the subject with a "know-nothing" mind, a blank slate.  I didn't actually do that, but then as our on-line relationship developed, I didn't really know in the beginning that I was examining you.  BSB would probably say, that was my failure to be aware of what I was actually doing at the time that I was doing it.  But IMHO, that requires a superhuman effort, a non-stop watchfulness that can be maintained only after lengthy training and then only imperfectly.  The concept of "know-nothing" mind is interesting, but it seems like an unattainable goal for North Americans who live the way we do.  Seems to me like the only practical way is to forge ahead with the tools we have, making mistakes along the way and corrcting for the errors as we become aware of them.  Messy.

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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #68 on: October 24, 2011, 11:50:13 AM »
Shit, well, it's my fault. See we're already in trouble. I introduced a concept, racism, and now our minds are off to the races, no pun intended.

It's too late here now, I'll tackle this tomorrow.

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Consider this: Nobody here crams their religion down other peoples throats like you.
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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #69 on: October 24, 2011, 03:23:48 PM »
Consider this little We We. This is an internet forum.  It isn't a place. There's no "here" here, asshole. While you maybe so desperate as to think of this place as a real place, it ain't. This is just a place to scribble and compare notes. Nor is Buddhism a religion, ya control freak.


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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #70 on: October 24, 2011, 03:27:42 PM »
Consider this little We We. This is an internet forum.  It isn't a place. There's no "here" here, asshole. While you maybe so desperate as to think of this place as a real place, it ain't. This is just a place to scribble and compare notes. Nor is Buddhism a religion, ya control freak.


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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #71 on: October 24, 2011, 03:52:04 PM »
Put Buddha where the sun don't shine.
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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #72 on: October 24, 2011, 03:56:22 PM »
Put Buddha where the sun don't shine.
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It beats calling a black man an Uncle Tom like you have repeatably done the last few days.

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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #73 on: October 24, 2011, 06:36:56 PM »
Except that if you look up "Uncle Tom" in a dictionary, there is Thomas Sowell's picture. His parents knew he was a Tom when they named their dear little cherub "Thomas".

I imagine he has some nephews, as well.

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Re: Thomas Sowell: Herman Cain More Black Than Barack Obama
« Reply #74 on: October 24, 2011, 07:12:45 PM »
So, all this time, he's been your Uncle, and you didn't tell us?
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