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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Brassmask on December 09, 2008, 05:06:40 PM
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Nearly 10 million people more wanted Change.
Let's Hope they get it.
Barack H. Obama Joseph R. Biden, Jr. Democratic 69,058,185 52.84% 365 67.8%
John S. McCain, III Sarah H. Palin Republican 59,700,776 45.68% 173 32.2%
Ralph Nader Matt Gonzalez Independent 733,760 0.56% 0 0.0%
Bob Barr Wayne Allyn Root Libertarian 520,488 0.40% 0 0.0%
Y Other (+) - - 679,406 0.52% 0 0.0%
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/ (http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/)
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Change isn't always good. History is full of examples.
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Change isn't always good. History is full of examples.
This won't be one of this of those occasions.
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Another liberal who can see into the future. You couldn't possibly know Brass. You know nothing about the man. I can think of lots of men throughout history who give a good speech and make the ladies swoon. Men too.
I will say though, I wouldn't want his job for all the scotch in Scotland.
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Another liberal who can see into the future. You couldn't possibly know Brass. You know nothing about the man. I can think of lots of men throughout history who give a good speech and make the ladies swoon. Men too.
I will say though, I wouldn't want his job for all the scotch in Scotland.
Nor would I want his job.
I'm not overly excited about any of his choices for his cabinet as of yet but I have confidence in his ability to address issues. I'm a pretty good judgment of character. I was right about Bush. I was right about Cheney. I was right about the Clintons. I was right about Dean. I was right about Ford Jr. I was right about Steve Cohen. I feel pretty sure I'll be right about Obama.
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>>I was right about Bush. I was right about Cheney. I was right about the Clintons. I was right about Dean. I was right about Ford Jr. I was right about Steve Cohen. I feel pretty sure I'll be right about Obama.<<
You realize of course you just proved (to me) you're wrong about Barry. Afterall, you were wrong about everybody else.
:o
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>>I was right about Bush. I was right about Cheney. I was right about the Clintons. I was right about Dean. I was right about Ford Jr. I was right about Steve Cohen. I feel pretty sure I'll be right about Obama.<<
You realize of course you just proved (to me) you're wrong about Barry. Afterall, you were wrong about everybody else.
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Hogwallop.
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Peeshaw!
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Yeah. Wrong about charismatic, upstanding brainy Dick Cheney.
Shame!
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Dick Cheney is smarter then you when he's sleeping.
I do find it interesting that charisma is a quality you find desirable ... in men.
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Another liberal who can see into the future. You couldn't possibly know Brass. You know nothing about the man. I can think of lots of men throughout history who give a good speech and make the ladies swoon. Men too.
I will say though, I wouldn't want his job for all the scotch in Scotland.
Nor would I want his job.
I'm not overly excited about any of his choices for his cabinet as of yet but I have confidence in his ability to address issues. I'm a pretty good judgment of character. I was right about Bush. I was right about Cheney. I was right about the Clintons. I was right about Dean. I was right about Ford Jr. I was right about Steve Cohen. I feel pretty sure I'll be right about Obama.
Objectively?
Which of these did you think would be a success?
Which are in the right is subjective ujntill proof rolls in.
From my point of view George Bush has been a greater success than we had any right to expect, I don't think you will ever be right about him, it is too muchy an emotional issue.
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We should have nominated Romney. I erred in judgment for not supporting him in the primary. He was the right man for the moment. Once Obama broke his word and opted out of the public financing system, Romney would have also, I believe. And he would have matched Obama dollar for dollar. It was a a disaster for McCain to have been outspent like that. It cost him Florida, Ohio, NC, IN and others. Romney would have been a better candidate on the economy than Obama. And he would have defeated Obama in the debates because he is a very polished debater. He would also have explained and espoused conservative principles much better than McCain. McCain ran a lousy campaign and it was very erratic. I reluctantly voted for him. McCain has been poking his finger in the eyes of conservatives for many years, and he will probably do so again against the very people who voted for him. I thought he lost all three debates, even the town hall format he was supposed to excel at. Palin won her debate; McCain lost his. And it's outrageous that he lost Indiana and North Carolina. Romney, Rudy and Fred would have carried those states and others as well.
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Huckabee hurt Romney.
Being a Mormon hurt him in the eyes of many.
Principle needs to outweigh denomination.
At this point in time i don't think it does.
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Huckabee ran a very shrewd campaign. He dropped just enough subtle hints playing against Romney's religion. (Don't Mormons think that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers?) He ran a very good campain ad right before Christmas and the Iowa caucus that blasted Romney and all the others right out of the water. But the main problem in the Republican primary is that each candidate sort of knocked out the others in every state allowing McCain to just squeak by.
I have been saying to people that we should have nominated Romney and almost all of them bring up his Mormonism. And I always counter with the radical church that Obama attended where hate and anti-Americanism was spewed. Obama refused to walk out the door for 20 years. It was a major mistake to take this Obama association off the table, as McCain did.
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Should we really care what church they attend or should we look more for clues as to how they will govern.
Would Schwartzenegger make a good president based on what he has done for California?
How about Crist is Fla?
I like Palin's track record.
Who else is out there?
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Christ promised everyone lower hurricane insurance premiums, and most policies went up. He promised lower property taxes, and few went down, and many school districts are totally broke.
Schwarzenegger can't be president: he is not a natural born citizen, he was born in Austria.
Palin billed the RNC for thousands for having her hair done. Plus, she's an ahnoramus.
Romney's toast. Huckabee's some sort of wacko fundie.
The Republican Party needs a long rest. They were jerks to nominate Juniorbush and bigger jerks not to get rid of him when his monumental incompetence was demonstrated.
They can't campaign for smaller government, because they have never made any government smaller. They seem to excel at corruption and corporate cronyism.
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Should we really care what church they attend or should we look more for clues as to how they will govern.
You are right. Obama's association with Wright does give a glimpse at how Obama will govern. It shows he has very bad judgement. His association with Blagojevich, Father Fliger, Bill Ayers and Rezko and the rest of the Chicago machine is very troubling. And there will be more shoes to drop, I believe.
For 2012, I agree with XO. Crist has made a lot of promises and they haven't been fulfilled.
I like Palin. Jindal is very intelligent and he has been doing a good job. Romney's time may have come and gone. I like Haily Barber. Newt is still out there. And maybe Jeb Bush can rebrand the Bush name.
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I like Palin. Jindal is very intelligent and he has been doing a good job. Romney's time may have come and gone. I like Haily Barber. Newt is still out there. And maybe Jeb Bush can rebrand the Bush name.
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Palin is still an ignoramus. Romney has shot his last presidential wad. Haley Barber most resembles Foghorn T. Leghorn in non-avian form. Everyone hates the Newtster because he is a smartass. Rebranding the Bush name would be a harder job than rebranding AYDS diet candy. Jebbie was a shitty governor, anyway.
Jindal is the only one that might have a chance. I doubt that the oligarchy would want him as president.
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Jindal is the only one that might have a chance. I doubt that the oligarchy would want him as president.
I'm leaning toward Jindal, but obviously it is too soon for that. He may not even run. I'm glad you like him. Democrats liked McCain too. But the vast majority of Dems will vote in lockstep with their party and support the Democrat no matter who it is. The GOP shouldn't pick a nominee based on who the Dems like. McCain didn't bring in any additional Dem support, as far as I can tell, and he probably lost some Republican states that others wouldn't have.
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Keep shooting your president-elect there, Xo
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Keep shooting your president-elect there, Xo
Keep making absurd cryptic remarks, sirs.
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Nothing cryptic about them. They are as plane as your nonsense about stolen elections are
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Nothing cryptic about them. They are as plane as your nonsense about stolen elections are
What......... you want me to interpret?
Every attack on Govenor Palin experience level is a defacto attack on anyone with less experience , includeing the President Elect who has to date zero executive experience.
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Nothing cryptic about them. They are as plane as your nonsense about stolen elections are
What......... you want me to interpret?
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Every attack on Govenor Palin experience level is a defacto attack on anyone with less experience , includeing the President Elect who has to date zero executive experience.
Yep, no cryptic notations to be found anywhere. Thanks Plane, couldn't have done it without the stellar interpreting ;)