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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #30 on: October 16, 2011, 11:47:25 PM »
  I think Occupy Ontario will need very warm clothes, if not igloos.

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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2011, 11:50:03 PM »
<< . . . they need to work on their communication skills.>>

So?  Offer to help 'em with their communication skills.

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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2011, 11:59:41 PM »
<<I think Occupy Ontario will need very warm clothes, if not igloos.>>

Toronto winter weather is about the same as Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit or Chicago.  Maybe they could sell us some of their igloos.

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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2011, 12:00:13 AM »
<< . . . they need to work on their communication skills.>>

So?  Offer to help 'em with their communication skills.

Then it would be my message and not theirs.


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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2011, 12:06:22 AM »
Their communication skills are pretty good, the message seems to be spreading.

At the same time, it is going to be bad for them if their new "supporters" begin making speeches and directing things.

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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2011, 12:20:09 AM »
Their communication skills are pretty good, the message seems to be spreading.

At the same time, it is going to be bad for them if their new "supporters" begin making speeches and directing things.

everything Obama touches turns to shit, so now that he's involved plan on it turning to shit. I give it about  2 weeks, or less.

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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2011, 12:35:12 AM »
“Demands are disempowering since they require someone else to respond,” said Gabriel Willow, a protester strolling past a sleeping-bag pod of young adults in the park last Monday. “It’s not like we couldn’t come up with any, but I don’t think people would vote for them.”


“If we don’t make demands, the political parties will make them for us,” a longtime protester, Eric Lerner, 64, said from his spot in the cluster last Monday. “We have to get it right this time.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/17/nyregion/occupy-wall-street-trying-to-settle-on-demands.html?_r=1

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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2011, 01:00:24 AM »
<<I think Occupy Ontario will need very warm clothes, if not igloos.>>

Toronto winter weather is about the same as Buffalo, Cleveland, Detroit or Chicago.  Maybe they could sell us some of their igloos.


Brrrrrrr...

May I remind you that at my home we still talk of the freak snow of 73, eight inches with drifts up to two feet stayed on the ground almost three weeks.
This may not impress you but we don't see snow every year.
I wintered in Ohio once, Why any human being would volenteer to live north of that mystifys me.

    Of course Global warming might move our Georgian climate up to Nova Scotia, that will be somthing, eh? A longer growing season in Canada and Siberia might allow so much corn and wheat to grow that humanity will double in numbers again before we run low.

    Or the Luddites of Occupy Wall Street might shut down the economy, and with industrial production down , agricultral production down , employment up, perhaps there will be enough famine to trim the population of the nortern hemisphere, the lower consumption could halt global warming and the Climate of Canada would again be safe for polar bears.

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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2011, 01:14:29 AM »
I sincerely hope that the Dems will campaign on the tails of the OWS folk, analogus to how the GOP was shaped by the Tea Party folk.  I really do
"The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal." -- Aristotle

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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2011, 02:48:02 PM »
<<“Demands are disempowering since they require someone else to respond,” said Gabriel Willow, a protester strolling past a sleeping-bag pod of young adults in the park last Monday.>>

Not only do I find that to be very insightful, but I'm encouraged and delighted to see how the movement's foot soldiers can think outside of the box.  If they don't become corrupted by their new-found friends, I think we could be witnessing the birth of a new kind of politics here.

The thing that you posted that I found the most discouraging to date was how the new supporters were making speeches, which seems to be dismantling the concept of the general assembly.  The general assembly seems to come from the occupiers in Madrid and Athens, but I thought it went back further, to the Columbia Student strike and the occupation of Sproul Plaza at UCLA Berkley.  In any event, fuck history.  The general assembly's an illustration of a new kind of politics and so is this guy.

<< “It’s not like we couldn’t come up with any, but I don’t think people would vote for them.” >>

You probably liked to post that, because it "proves" the "anti-democratic" basis of the movement, but I think if you went deeper into WHY the people would not vote for them, it would ultimately come down to MSM and its role in spreading disinformation to cement the rule of the corporate state.

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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2011, 02:52:46 PM »
That'd be the same MSM that continues to prop them up, in as many FAVORABLE ways as possible, minus all out endorsement.  But, hey, don't let me rain on your Kryptonite, Superman
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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2011, 09:56:22 PM »
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You probably liked to post that, because it "proves" the "anti-democratic" basis of the movement, but I think if you went deeper into WHY the people would not vote for them, it would ultimately come down to MSM and its role in spreading disinformation to cement the rule of the corporate state.

I think he was referring to the occupiers and the general assembly.

I really haven't formed an opinion about the original occupiers. I have about the usurpers.

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Re: KvH - a columnist who really understands Occupy! strategy . . .
« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2011, 10:11:04 PM »
That'd be the same MSM that continues to prop them up, in as many FAVORABLE ways as possible,

SIRS....you've seen this correct?

http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/10/16/journolist-2-0-occupydc-emails-show-msm-dylan-ratigan-working-with-protesters-to-craft-message/
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« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2011, 10:51:54 PM »
<<I really haven't formed an opinion about the original occupiers. I have about the usurpers. >>

I'm very enthusiastic about the original occupiers and really negative on the usurpers.  They're the kiss of death to the originality, the spark and ultimately the very validity of the Occupy! movement.

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« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2011, 10:58:14 PM »
I sincerely hope that the Dems will campaign on the tails of the OWS folk,
analogus to how the GOP was shaped by the Tea Party folk.  I really do
SIRS....I really do too!
This would make a great 2012 DNC Commerical
BRING IT ON!


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"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" - Ronald Reagan - June 12, 1987