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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: sirs on June 30, 2010, 09:31:35 PM
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If it were any candidate other than Barack Obama whose pastor of 20 years had preached a gospel of hatred and anti-white and anti-Semitic bigotry, he?d be a footnote in the history books right now. But Obama it was, and the mainstream media collectively jammed its fingers in its ears and hummed, even as the shrill and despicable hate mongering of former Rev. Jeremiah Wright befouled the airwaves on national television.
In case you thought Wright had vanished after his former parishioner?s now-famous defenestration, think again. Last week, Wright was in the spotlight again, this time at a seminar in Chicago, where he compared the United States with apartheid South Africa and claimed the civil rights movement was about ?becoming white.?
Never one to mince words or err in the direction of the truth, the ever-incendiary Wright is reported to have told the black seminarians assembled that they will never ?be a brother to white folk,? adding?in what Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid would revealingly describe as ?a Negro dialect???White folk done took this country. You?re in their home and they?re going to let you know it.?
The loony Wright made further use of his bully pulpit to take shots at the American education system, which he insisted is built to poorly educate black students ?by malignant intent.? No target was off-limits, not even civil rights leader Martin Luther King, who Wright took to task for advocating nonviolence. ?We probably have more African-Americans who?ve been brainwashed,? he observed, ?than we have South Africans who?ve been brainwashed.?
If Obama was made aware that the man he one affectionately called ?a father figure? is on a tear again, it is not something he has chosen to acknowledge publicly. Then considering that Obama never heard any of Wright?s bitter, racist invective in the twenty years he sat in the pews at Trinity Church of Christ, in Chicago, is it any surprise?
But of course, Obama had no idea of any of this. Naaaa, not a one (http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2010/06/30/jeremiah-wright-is-back-and-loony-as-ever/)
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Obama has no more control over what Wright says than i do over what Mikey says.
Sure i could delete Mikey, but Obama can't delete Wright.
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Obama has no more control over what Wright says than i do over what Mikey says.
Sure i could delete Mikey, but Obama can't delete Wright.
that is amazing that you are able to connect the dots that way.
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Is the bar being set lower now?
In the next Presidential race will the quality of the presidents circle of freinds count for anything?
Will we care about canadate advisors , mentors , influences?
Even for the opposite party?
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Is the bar being set lower now?
In the next Presidential race will the quality of the presidents circle of freinds count for anything?
Will we care about canadate advisors , mentors , influences?
Even for the opposite party?
here is where that bar went with obama this time around
1. no military experience
2. admitted cocaine & pot user
3. no experience
4. marxist
5. racist
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Is the bar being set lower now?
The bar was lowered the day we let the likes of SNL sketch artists and David Letterman define who Sarah Palin was.
I don't expect perfection in a President, why should i demand perfection in his circle of influences.
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if it's soooooooo bad in the United States why doesn't unreverend wright leave his
million-dollar Tinley Park home complete with an elevator, whirlpool, butler's pantry,
circular driveway, four-car garage and move somewhere else? the guy is a POS!
FOX NEWS: Jesse Watters checks out Rev. Wright's Palacial Mansion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtArtEsotuU#ws)
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Why should Wright move? He makes his money bad mouthing the US. Shame Mikey hasn't figured out how to monetize his posts.
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Obama has no more control over what Wright says than i do over what Mikey says.
Sure i could delete Mikey, but Obama can't delete Wright.
Wow......where'd that come from? Who wants to delete Tee, now?
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I have no intention of deleting Mikey.
And that wasn't my point.
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if it's soooooooo bad in the United States why doesn't unreverend wright leave his
million-dollar Tinley Park home complete with an elevator, whirlpool, butler's pantry,
circular driveway, four-car garage and move somewhere else? the guy is a POS!
FOX NEWS: Jesse Watters checks out Rev. Wright's Palacial Mansion (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtArtEsotuU#ws)
he wants the whites to leave
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he wants the whites to leave
That's a possibility, but ill advised.
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I don't know how I feel about this to be honest. Yeah it bugs me that Obama likes the guy who so blatantly sells out his own country, but at the same time, so what?
I don't care what Obama thinks. He could think that we should open our borders completely, give everybody automatic welfare, have the rich white people pay for it and reduce our military budget to zero.
So long as he doesn't ACT on that, I'm fine with him as president.
(heheheh... irony).
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he wants the whites to leave
That's a possibility, but ill advised.
true, look what happened to Detroit.
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I have no intention of deleting Mikey.
And that wasn't my point.
XO needs a 1 week vacation
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In my opinion, when it comes to non partisan posts, XO is one of the more interesting writers we have. I truly enjoy when he shares stories of his travels and his movie reviews are works of art.
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I have no intention of deleting Mikey. And that wasn't my point.
Then I'm thorougly confused with your response to my post ???
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Sometimes i'm literal, sometimes i'm figurative, sometimes i'm allegorical.
perhaps you thought i was zigging when i was zagging.
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Perhaps
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In my opinion, when it comes to non partisan posts, XO is one of the more interesting writers we have. I truly enjoy when he shares stories of his travels and his movie reviews are works of art.
I was zagging.
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me too
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In my opinion, when it comes to non partisan posts, XO is one of the more interesting writers we have. I truly enjoy when he shares stories of his travels and his movie reviews are works of art.
True enough.
I beleive that most of what we learn about language is learned by osmosis . Being exposed to well phrased language is likely to improve my own language usage as I lean by observeing and simply soaking up the good example.
What poor Xo is soaking up tho ,...
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perhaps you thought i was zigging when i was zagging.
(https://www.maryjanesbud.com/cart2/images/zigZagOrange.jpg)
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I am immune to Kramer's krap. He has no mind and nothing to say. Just a moronic doofus. He is not even capable of an interesting insult.
I do not bother to read sirs at all, he is just annoying.
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And yet he continues to respond to messers Kramer & Sirs. It's Xo a masochist?
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The fact is that Rev Wright is not back, he never left. It always upsets White folk when they see a Black preacher in a fancy house. driving a fancy car. Preachers are supposed to be like Jesus, poor and humble. Black people are not supposed to be rich: it raises suspicions when one is spotted that is not some sort of musician or ballplayer.
But the truth is that there is a huge contradiction in the US between Christianity and capitalism. Jesus told all his listeners to become disciples, to "give all they had to the poor, and follow me". Of course, it is rather fortunate that everyone did not do this, because if they had, they would all have starved to death, barring, of course, some sort of major miracle. So the goal of a proper and successful Christian would be to be leading an army of destitute people about the countryside or from town to town, preaching here and expanding the flock.
NOT an American ideal. A swarm of destitute people is not something any Americans considers to be desirable. Look what happens when one middle class person suggests that "spreading the wealth around" might be a GOOD thing: not even bankrupt plumbers want to hear about it.
The ideal of capitalism is to own stuff: he who dies with the most toys, wins. This is the opposite of Christianity. But the one thing that Americans allow is that we allow preachers to do pretty much what they want with the money they receive, be it cash, checks or property: they make out their own taxes, and the government has them on a very lax honor system. Rev. Wright is a piker compared to Father Divine, Elisha Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan or Adam Clayton Powell, and they, in turn are pikers compared to Oral Roberts, Pat Roberson or the rest of the Trinity Broadcast preachers. And the champions of all are entire sects: the Witnesses, the Assemblies, the Temples, the Tabernacles, the Scientologists and the Mormons. And there are thousands of Baptist freelancers, and of course, the Holy Father of the Holy Mother Church himself. And the IRS tends to ignore them all: they can declare their income to be whatever they wish: they can claim that their mansion is a parsonage that they are required to live in, and non-taxable. They can claim that their Bentley is needed to visit the poor of body and spirit and also deductible, and unless some other crime occurs, the government ignores it all.
There was that flap when Tammy Bakker and her hubby went bankrupt and some parishioner-investors filed suit, and there was a preacher's wife who chose to burn down the mansion where some Tampa preacher was diddling his mistress, and the law had to get involved, and the newspapers tagged along. And who can ever forget Jimmy Swaggert and all those tears?
But until the IRS gets serious with the big guys, which will never happen, you will have to just put up with the odd flashy Black preacher.
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The fact is that Rev Wright is not back, he never left. It always upsets White folk when they see a Black preacher in a fancy house. driving a fancy car. Preachers are supposed to be like Jesus, poor and humble. Black people are not supposed to be rich: it raises suspicions when one is spotted that is not some sort of musician or ballplayer.
Can you be any more racist?? wow I happen to be one of those "white folk", and could care squat what he makes as a preacher, or where he lives, or what he drives. Black people can be anything they want to be. It's White (& Black) liberals who apparently believe that black people need to remain on one big massive black plantation, all thinking the same, acting the same, and for God's sake, voting the same. And don't dare stray, or be branded a traitor to your race...a dreaded "uncle Tom"
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It is an observation, not my belief. I did not start this topic.
I actually care even less about your alleged beliefs than you could imagine. Less than I care what Ann Coulter's Xmas card to Limbaugh says.
This was not about you, contrary to what you seem to believe.
The contradiction between Christianity and capitalism has made it possible for a major growth industry to appear, untaxed and largely ignored.
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I am immune to Kramer's krap. He has no mind and nothing to say. Just a moronic doofus. He is not even capable of an interesting insult.
I do not bother to read sirs at all, he is just annoying.
Speaking of interesting insults: dork, doofus, dolt, moron and all your other age 7 labels are boring and repetitive.
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I am immune to Kramer's krap. He has no mind and nothing to say. Just a moronic doofus. He is not even capable of an interesting insult.
I do not bother to read sirs at all, he is just annoying.
Speaking of interesting insults: dork, doofus, dolt, moron and all your other age 7 labels are boring and repetitive.
Heh... I was just telling my dad how great and also slightly intimidating it is to be debating with adults (yeah I'm 22, but let's call a spade a spade I'm still I kid as far as comparative ages go). This eases the tension somewhat. :D
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I am immune to Kramer's krap. He has no mind and nothing to say. Just a moronic doofus. He is not even capable of an interesting insult.
I do not bother to read sirs at all, he is just annoying.
Speaking of interesting insults: dork, doofus, dolt, moron and all your other age 7 labels are boring and repetitive.
Heh... I was just telling my dad how great and also slightly intimidating it is to be debating with adults (yeah I'm 22, but let's call a spade a spade I'm still I kid as far as comparative ages go). This eases the tension somewhat. :D
You will find that XO is a 7 year old boy, maybe even a girl, locked in the body of a 67 year old man that looks a lot like Uncle Fester.
http://jonathanshaffer.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/uncle-fester.jpg
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It is an observation, not my belief. I did not start this topic.
Observation of WHO? You made a massive broad brush of "white folk". What "white folk" specifically don't want Black Preachers, or even Blacks in general to do well? Don't want them to live in nice homes or drive nice cars??
I actually care even less about your alleged beliefs than you could imagine....This was not about you, contrary to what you seem to believe.
And again with the deflection efforts. This has nothing to do with you caring about my beliefs. Anyone that spends anytime here knows you care squat for anyone else's beliefs that don't tow the liberal/socialist line. So, why would you bring that up? (answer...DEFLECTION)
The contradiction between Christianity and capitalism has made it possible for a major growth industry to appear, untaxed and largely ignored.
And this has what to do with........what? Jesus was not an economist. He was not a business major. He never aspired to be a CEO. he also NEVER advocated a mandatory taking care of your brother, or else approach. He NEVER advocated handing over all your money to a 3rd party (like the Government) to then take care of someone else. So, what's the relevence of your point?
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You seem incapable of understanding my point, and I cannot think of any way to explain it to you.
Leave it a mystery, ignore it, I do not care.
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We noticed how little you care, which begs the question, why bother posting anything?
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I think Christianity and Capitalism actually match better than
Christianity and Communism and or Liberalism. The Christianity
I believe in believes in charity from the heart, not forced charity
at the end of a gun or threat of fines. Forced charity isn't charity
at all.
There are seeming contradictions in almost everything...not just Christianity.
Communism is supposed to be "for the people", but many Commi leaders live like royalty.
Mao the "man of the people" had his own doctor that lived with him.
Most Chinese were hungry & I doubt Mao went hungry.
Al Gore flies gas guzzling private jets & has a residence "less green" than George Bush.
The Pope is supposed to care about the poor...but lives basically in several palaces.
Michael Moore's foundation owned Halliburton stock.
Nancy Pelosi's $25 million Napa vineyard/winery is a non-union shop.
Evironmentalist Barbara Streisand's annual water bill is $22,000 to keep her lawn green.
Ralph Nader fired some of his employees for trying to form a union.
The problem isn't that Wright has a nice home, the problem is Wright trashes
the system and place where he lives the good life when he is free to leave
anytime he chooses. It would be like saying how terrible Macys is....how Macy's
is a cheat, a rip-off, terrible store....but then keep shopping every weekend at Macys.
But the UnReverend Wright chooses to move into a lily white gated community of
mansions where he can continue to trash the system that allows him to live like royalty.
The man is a living lie....but thats ok....he is not alone.
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Wright sees himself as a man who has succeeded DESPITE the White man's system. Oppression is not just economic.
There NO political systems that exist today that jibe with Jesus. There are no economic systems that have ever come close to doing this. Perhaps not Jesus, but certainly Paul, would have said that the Perfect World would not come until Jesus was crowned King of the World and ruled justly for a thousand years and such. This would happen at any moment. According to the Bible, Jesus was to return before the last disciple had died. This did not happen.
How people would provide for lunch when everyone was a penniless vagabond was explained only as a miracle. How the World would be Perfect on a constant diet of loaves and fishes was never explained.
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Wright sees himself as a man who has succeeded DESPITE the White man's system. Oppression is not just economic. There NO political systems that exist today that jibe with Jesus.
Apples & Cats
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You seem incapable of understanding my point, and I cannot think of any way to explain it to you.
Leave it a mystery, ignore it, I do not care.
maybe you ability to properly communicate is hampered by your narrow mind.
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I am immune to Kramer's krap. He has no mind and nothing to say. Just a moronic doofus. He is not even capable of an interesting insult.
I do not bother to read sirs at all, he is just annoying.
Speaking of interesting insults: dork, doofus, dolt, moron and all your other age 7 labels are boring and repetitive.
Set your own standard.
Heh... I was just telling my dad how great and also slightly intimidating it is to be debating with adults (yeah I'm 22, but let's call a spade a spade I'm still I kid as far as comparative ages go). This eases the tension somewhat. :D