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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: Michael Tee on July 11, 2010, 11:26:02 PM

Title: "Mom, Can I have the key to the silo for tonight?"
Post by: Michael Tee on July 11, 2010, 11:26:02 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/opinion/18kagan.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/18/opinion/18kagan.html)

This one's hilarious.  Two "conservative intellectuals," one from the Brookings Institution, the other from the American Enterprise Institute, are concerned about Pakistani nukes falling into "the wrong hands."  But they realize the U.S. can't invade Pakistan and conquer it, because it would require a million-man army.  (Aw, shit)   So all they want to prepare for is to maintain a ready-to-go "international" force which will, when der Tag kommt, "partner" with Pakistani "moderate" troops to establish a "remote redoubt" somewhere in Pakistan where the Americans, with their "international" and Pakistani "partners," can keep Pakistani nukes safe from the "bad elements" in Pakistan.

I love how, in America, there's always another war on the horizon.  They haven't even finished up in Iraq and Afghanistan, let alone Iran, and here we are planning for the war after the next war.  Good work, guys!!!  Keep that military-industrial complex alive.

Title: Re: "Mom, Can I have the key to the silo for tonight?"
Post by: BT on July 11, 2010, 11:52:51 PM
So you think that nuclear weapons in the wrong hands is not such a bad thing?

Non state organizations like Al-Queda or a confederation of Neo-Nazi's have as much right to the weapons as the Russians or the Chinese?

And if you don't think it is such a good idea for nuclear weapons to be sold at the local bazaar what would your non hilarious solution to the potential problem be?

Title: Re: "Mom, Can I have the key to the silo for tonight?"
Post by: Michael Tee on July 13, 2010, 11:13:02 AM
My solution is that nobody has them.  All arsenals to be destroyed with UN inspection.   Total nuclear disarmament

Otherwise as long as they exist and humans hold the keys, sooner or later the only thing we are guaranteed of is that they WILL fall into the "wrong hands." 

And BTW those "wrong hands" are just as likely to be in Washington as they are in Islamabad.  Western Civilization, as you well know, is no guarantor of western civilization.
Title: Re: "Mom, Can I have the key to the silo for tonight?"
Post by: sirs on July 13, 2010, 11:42:51 AM
So, since Tee's solution is a non-starter, he apparently has none.  Surprised?
Title: Re: "Mom, Can I have the key to the silo for tonight?"
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on July 13, 2010, 01:05:40 PM
I will be truly surprised if and when I see a better solution from you...
Title: Re: "Mom, Can I have the key to the silo for tonight?"
Post by: Amianthus on July 13, 2010, 01:06:10 PM
My solution is that nobody has them.  All arsenals to be destroyed with UN inspection.   Total nuclear disarmament

And the people with the knowledge to build more? Line 'em up against the wall?
Title: Re: "Mom, Can I have the key to the silo for tonight?"
Post by: Michael Tee on July 13, 2010, 01:09:07 PM
Put 'em to work at Atoms for Peace.
Title: Re: "Mom, Can I have the key to the silo for tonight?"
Post by: sirs on July 13, 2010, 01:15:21 PM
And if they refuse.....liquidate them, right?
Title: Re: "Mom, Can I have the key to the silo for tonight?"
Post by: sirs on July 13, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
I will be truly surprised if and when I see a better solution from you...

You're not going to like my solutions, I'm afraid, since they're actually based on reality.  But if you seriously want to discuss them vs demean them, I'm open to that approach.  Just let me know which tact you'd be taking (hint, taking the latter tact is likely not to get much of a response or generate any debate, in this, a debate forum)