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Title: Wanted: New Ideas
Post by: sirs on December 02, 2006, 04:10:05 PM
Wanted: New Ideas
By Michael Barone

Posted Sunday, November 19, 2006

Back when Republicans were winning elections in the 1980s, Tip O'Neill used to say that was because Democratic policies made a lot of people rich enough to vote Republican. Republicans who are saying that the party needs to go back to the principles of 1994 or Ronald Reagan should keep O'Neill's lesson in mind: Successful public policies render moot the issues that bring parties to power. They won't keep winning unless they address new issues.

With that in mind, let's examine the successful Republican policies since their takeover of Congress in 1994. Some of these were on economic issues, addressable only at the federal level. The big budget deficits of the early 1990s were eliminated by the Clinton tax increases and by the one-year standstill in spending the Republicans forced on Bill Clinton in 1995. With George W. Bush in office, Republicans produced tax cuts that kicked the economy out of recession and gave us robust, low-inflation economic growth. Another public-policy success was welfare reform, forced on Clinton by the Republicans in 1996. But note that that success came after, and was inspired by, welfare reform in the states, started by Tommy Thompson in Wisconsin in 1987 and followed by many Republicans and also some Democrats. Still another public-policy success of the 1990s-crime control-was almost entirely the work of big-city mayors, starting with Rudy Giuliani in New York. On crime, Clinton and the Republican Congress were no more than interested and occasionally helpful bystanders.

Significant changes.
Some public-policy successes of the Bush years have been criticized by many conservatives. One was the education accountability measures in the No Child Left Behind Act. Here Bush and a bipartisan coalition were federalizing reforms initiated in the states, by governors like Bush himself, his brother Jeb Bush in Florida, and Democrat Jim Hunt in North Carolina. Then there was the controversial Medicare prescription drug law pushed through in a three-hour roll call in 2003. Many conservatives criticize the creation of a new federal entitlement. Bush's argument was that there was going to be a prescription drug benefit sooner or later and that it was better to have a Republican version that provided for competition and choice rather than government ukase. The bill also allowed the expansion of health savings accounts, which have the potential to change private-sector health insurance the way that Section 401(k) of the tax code has changed private-sector pensions. HSAs are expanding rapidly, and polls show seniors highly pleased with the prescription drug plans they've chosen-and competition is holding down costs.

To be sure, this is big-government conservatism. But who thinks we're going to get rid of big government? Bush's approach has been to enhance choice and accountability, to rely more on markets and less on government commands. It's the only realistic conservatism for America today.

Note that conservative policy successes have taken some issues off the political table. Republicans won a lot of suburban districts in 1994 on the issues of crime, welfare, and taxes. Crime and welfare are not major issues anymore. And the Democrats' obvious unwillingness to raise taxes substantially after their defeat in 1994 took taxes off the table, too-though the issue may come back in 2008, when voters may face a choice between Republicans who promise to extend the tax cuts that expire in 2010 and Democrats who may be eager to let those taxes go back up again. That might switch some of those suburban districts back toward Republicans.

What issues could Republicans raise in 2008? They would do well to look to the states, and especially to Florida, where Jeb Bush has enacted innovative policies on school choice and healthcare. They could look at some Democrats as well, like Tennessee's Gov. Phil Bredesen, who has been reforming an overly generous Medicaid program. They could highlight the proposal of GOP Rep. John Shadegg of Arizona to allow people to buy health insurance across state lines. They could consider Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin's proposal to get lower-income workers to save and invest with tax credits for IRA contributions. Republicans aren't going to win elections with the new ideas of 1980, 1994, or 2000. They need new ideas for 2008.


http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/061119/27barone.htm
Title: Re: Wanted: New Ideas
Post by: Plane on December 02, 2006, 09:21:11 PM
Why do we need new ideas?

The Democrats just got elected without any.
Title: Re: Wanted: New Ideas
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on December 03, 2006, 12:08:13 AM




Why do we need new ideas?

The Democrats just got elected without any.

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They got reelected becaused it was obvious that the Republi9cansd had far too many of the WRONG ideas.

The Democrats have lots of ideas, they just haven;t become coherent in coming up with a specific idea on the same matter.

The Republicans had a lot of really bad ideas.

Invading Iraq with no withdrawal plan.

Pissing away billions of dollars on useless projects in Iraq.

In congress, they did very little.


Title: Re: Wanted: New Ideas
Post by: Plane on December 03, 2006, 03:54:28 AM




Why do we need new ideas?

The Democrats just got elected without any.

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They got reelected becaused it was obvious that the Republi9cansd had far too many of the WRONG ideas.

The Democrats have lots of ideas, they just haven;t become coherent in coming up with a specific idea on the same matter.

The Republicans had a lot of really bad ideas.

Invading Iraq with no withdrawal plan.

Pissing away billions of dollars on useless projects in Iraq.

In congress, they did very little.




Even in answer to the accusation that the Democrats have no ideas , you point out nothing to contradict the assertion.

Lets consider it resolved , the Republicans progress is  exausted and the Democrats are reactionary.
Title: Re: Wanted: New Ideas
Post by: sirs on December 03, 2006, 01:49:14 PM
They got reelected becaused it was obvious that the Republi9cansd had far too many of the WRONG ideas.  The Democrats have lots of ideas, they just haven;t become coherent in coming up with a specific idea on the same matter.  .....

Actually, they both campaigned similarly.  Dems campaigning on vote for was, we're not them.  And the GOP was largely campaigning on we'd be better at security than them.  Neither one resonated, but with the help of the 24/7 mainscream media the combination of those that actually went along with how bad everything was with those who saw Bush as completely trashing what Conservative platforms he ran on as President, and the GOP congress that went right along with it, got you guys the results you'd been clamoring for.  Be thankful.
Title: Re: Wanted: New Ideas
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on December 03, 2006, 02:10:56 PM
the Republicans progress is  exausted and the Democrats are reactionary.

The Democrats are reactionary in that they would prefer to go back to the days when we didn't have thousands of troops in harm's way in Iraq. But even most Republicans would agree with that.

The Democrats are in favor of a raise in the minimum wage, better health care, better supervision of corporate ripoffs.
Those aren't reactionary stances.
Title: Re: Wanted: New Ideas
Post by: Plane on December 03, 2006, 09:10:32 PM
the Republicans progress is  exausted and the Democrats are reactionary.

The Democrats are reactionary in that they would prefer to go back to the days when we didn't have thousands of troops in harm's way in Iraq. But even most Republicans would agree with that.

The Democrats are in favor of a raise in the minimum wage, better health care, better supervision of corporate ripoffs.
Those aren't reactionary stances.

The Democrats are in favor of a raise in the minimum wage, better health care, better supervision of corporate ripoffs.
Those aren't reactionary stances.


Which of these were not fresh ideas in the sixtys , fourtys or thirtys?


Resolved: Democrats are reactionary.