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Title: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Plane on December 03, 2006, 09:44:26 PM
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Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Plane on December 03, 2006, 10:53:11 PM
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Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: BT on December 03, 2006, 11:49:25 PM
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* Slang for WTF

lol
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Plane on December 04, 2006, 02:45:04 AM
It is a tough fate to be a founding Father , and everything you ever say or write will forever be examined , parsed and misquoted.


George Washington used his last years burning his papers , was he prescient ?


Or was he actually a time traveler?


Cue Twilight zone music
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Michael Tee on December 04, 2006, 03:04:00 PM
I second BT's "lol"
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on December 04, 2006, 06:31:53 PM
George Washington used his last years burning his papers , was he prescient ?

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If it took him years to burn his papers, he sure must have had a lot of them.

If I were permitted to burn mine, I think I could get it done quite week within a week.
As it is, there is an ordinance, and I can only throw them out. I could also shred them, but I am in Miami-Dade County and my papers are in English, so what would be the point?

A lot of my papers I could destroy with fdisking my harddrive.

Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Amianthus on December 04, 2006, 07:35:00 PM
A lot of my papers I could destroy with fdisking my harddrive.

fdisk'ing your drive won't destroy the data.
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on December 04, 2006, 09:08:56 PM
fdisk'ing your drive won't destroy the data.
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What if I use the WD diagnostic tool that write zeroes to the HD?
Does that work? I have it, and it's free.
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Amianthus on December 04, 2006, 09:12:05 PM
What if I use the WD diagnostic tool that write zeroes to the HD?
Does that work? I have it, and it's free.

There is a series of patterns that you need to write to make sure it's erased. Just writing zeroes will still allow most of the data to be recovered using sophisticated tools.
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Xavier_Onassis on December 05, 2006, 12:10:16 AM
If you write a zero to everywhere anything can be written to, how can anyone recover the data that was written over?

Is there no free program that will erase all data?
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Amianthus on December 05, 2006, 12:22:07 AM
If you write a zero to everywhere anything can be written to, how can anyone recover the data that was written over?

Because of the physics of the magnetic coating. Just writing a zero allows the data to be recovered because not all of the particles will have changed position. There is some evidence that the NSA can recover several "versions" of data written to disks - peeling back the layers of written data, so to speak.

Is there no free program that will erase all data?

I wrote one about 20 years ago. I'm sure there are some out there. Norton had one called "shredder" for a while.
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Plane on December 05, 2006, 04:38:05 PM
If you ruin a Hard drive with Heat or strong magnetic feilds , is the data gone then?


What about hammering it into fragments?
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Amianthus on December 05, 2006, 04:39:38 PM
If you ruin a Hard drive with Heat or strong magnetic feilds , is the data gone then?

Depends on the level of heat and strength of the fields.

What about hammering it into fragments?

If the fragments are small enough, yeah.
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Plane on December 05, 2006, 04:43:15 PM
If you ruin a Hard drive with Heat or strong magnetic feilds , is the data gone then?

Depends on the level of heat and strength of the fields.

What about hammering it into fragments?

If the fragments are small enough, yeah.


The Government and several large companys have had a problem with stolen data , many times because a poorly secured laptop was stolen.

Would it be worthwile to build a destructive device into a hard drive ?
Title: Re: Pavelovs Dogs
Post by: Amianthus on December 05, 2006, 04:58:08 PM
The Government and several large companys have had a problem with stolen data , many times because a poorly secured laptop was stolen.

Would it be worthwile to build a destructive device into a hard drive ?

Better to use a good security system. We use a combination of RSA's SecurID and whole-disk encryption for our corporate laptops. SecurID is the electronic version of a "one time pad" - and about as secure as you can get. The key changes every minute, so I literally have a new password every minute. Here is an article about SecurID (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecurID). This authentication is used for all of our systems, not just the corporate laptops.