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General Category => 3DHS => Topic started by: BT on July 22, 2011, 02:08:33 PM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/jul/22/oslo-explosion-live-coverage (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/jul/22/oslo-explosion-live-coverage)
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I'm going to remove them from my shortlist of countries to visit.
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Norway is one of the safest places in the world. Backpackers sleep in the parks in Oslo.
This has something to do with the oil business, which is by nature corrupt. There is insufficient evidence to go any further than that as to motives.
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Norway is one of the safest places in the world.
I don't think so anymore...
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let me quess.....it was a Muslim?
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let me quess.....it was a Muslim?
not possible
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not possible
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29
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The gunman, described by a police official as tall and blond, was reported by Norwegian media to have taken advantage of the confusion caused by the bombing to attack the summer camp of Stoltenberg's Labour party youth section.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-norway-blast-idUSTRE76L2VI20110722 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-norway-blast-idUSTRE76L2VI20110722)
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(http://www.resperate.com/us/images/logos/logo-washingtonpost.gif)
Oslo attack speculation centers on Kurdish group
July 22, 2011
By Jason Ukman, Peter Finn and Greg Miller
(Associated Press)
In the immediate aftermath of the attack in Oslo, speculation about the party that might be responsible has centered on Ansar al-Islam, a Kurdish militant group that has been tied by U.S. officials to al-Qaeda and that carried out attacks on American troops and civilians in Iraq at the height of the war there.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/in-norway-attack-speculation-centers-on-kurdish-group/2011/07/22/gIQA08KqTI_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/in-norway-attack-speculation-centers-on-kurdish-group/2011/07/22/gIQA08KqTI_blog.html)
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Yes i'm sure the usual groups are suspected, but the shootings and the bombings may or may not be related and may or may not be international terror.
It's a bit early to speculate.
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OSLO, Norway (AP) ? Norway's Justice Minister Knut Storberget has said the man who opened fire at a youth camp is Norwegian.
Storberget says the death toll from the shooting is unclear.
But he says seven people were killed and 10 wounded when a bomb exploded at the prime minister's office in downtown Oslo earlier Friday.
Police have linked the suspect to both attacks.
http://news.yahoo.com/government-says-youth-camp-shooter-norwegian-205549848.html (http://news.yahoo.com/government-says-youth-camp-shooter-norwegian-205549848.html)
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The gunman, described by a police official as tall and blond, was reported by Norwegian media to have taken advantage of the confusion caused by the bombing to attack the summer camp of Stoltenberg's Labour party youth section.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-norway-blast-idUSTRE76L2VI20110722 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-norway-blast-idUSTRE76L2VI20110722)
you know that blond hair dye is readily available...
whoops, Homeland Security might ban it now!!!!
quick, hit the stores, make a run on blond hair dye!!
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Norway is calling the attack their OK city, not their 9-11
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Norway is calling the attack their OK city, not their 9-11
Maybe Randy Weaver reincarnated.
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Could be one of the anti-immigrant Norwegians, tired of the government allowing the dehomogenization of their country. Like the Who singer from the UK!
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Could be one of the anti-immigrant Norwegians, tired of the government allowing the dehomogenization of their country. Like the Who singer from the UK!
why did they import the Muslims anyway, the answer labor, too bad they didn't get off their asses and do their own work. We made the same mistake here the last 25 years. If we would have secured the southern border this country would be in better shape today.
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I'm just trying to figure out how they will end up trying to blame this one on Palin.
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let me quess.....it was a Muslim?
"Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29
Some things never change.
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If we would have secured the southern border this country would be in better shape today.
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If the Mexicans had secured their NORTHERN border, they would have a better country to day. Bigger, and without you in it.
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No matter what the Koran says, the suspect in this is a Norwegian rightwinger, so no amount of profiling Arabs would have been useful in preventing it.
I bet the Norwegians do more to make guns harder to get than the US did after Columbiune, which was nothing at all.
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No matter what the Koran says, the suspect in this is a Norwegian rightwinger, so no amount of profiling Arabs would have been useful in preventing it.
I bet the Norwegians do more to make guns harder to get than the US did after Columbiune, which was nothing at all.
from the lips of a liberal gun control doesn't work and when a criminal wants to commit an act they can get a gun or a weapon and accomplish their goal. This is why liberals are stupid assholes!
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Americans doing thier own work without immigrants?
Interesting,has their been any research at how viable it would be? All I
Hear is speculation. It's easy to say it would work but that also means nothing. How about real data like labor cost effecting economy and other such data?
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I bet the Norwegians do more to make guns harder to get than the US did after Columbiune, which was nothing at all.
The Columbine massacre was accomplished without any leagally obtained wepons. If there were ten additional laws broken what diffrence would it have made?
I refrained from speculation reguarding the involvement of Islam but did you jump the gun speculateing whether a lack of gun controll was involved?
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http://news.yahoo.com/norway-police-arrive-90-minutes-firing-began-205033309.html (http://news.yahoo.com/norway-police-arrive-90-minutes-firing-began-205033309.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment_in_Norway)
Police said the suspect is talking to them and has admitted to firing weapons on the island. It was not clear if he had confessed to anything else he is accused of.
"He has had a dialogue with the police the whole time, but he's a very demanding suspect," Sponheim said.
There are basically two types of maximum penalty laws:
The maximum determinate penalty is 21 years imprisonment, but only a small percentage of prisoners serve more than 14 years. Prisoners will typically get unsupervised parole for weekends etc. after serving ? of their sentence (a maximum of 7 years) and can receive early release after serving ? of their sentence (a maximum of 14 years).
The maximum indeterminate penalty, called "containment" (Norwegian: forvaring), is also set at 21 years imprisonment, and the prisoner is required to serve at least 10 years before becoming eligible for parole. "Containment" is used when the prisoner is deemed a danger to society and there is a great chance of committing violent crimes in the future. If the prisoner is still considered dangerous after serving the original sentence, the prisoner can receive up to five years additional containment.
If the additional time is served, and the offender is still considered dangerous, a prisoner can continue to receive up to five years additional containment, and this, in theory, could result in actual life imprisonment. [1] However, the offender can be paroled or released at any time if it is determined that the offender is no longer a danger to society.
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To own a gun in Norway, one must document a use for the gun. By far, the most common grounds for civilian ownership are hunting and sports shooting, in that order. Other needs can include special guard duties or self defence, but the first is rare and the second is practically never accepted as a reason for gun ownership.
There are special rules for collectors of guns. They are exempt from many parts of the regulation, but, in turn, they must meet even more narrow qualifications. Collectors may purchase, but not fire without permission, all kinds of guns in their respective areas of interest, which they have defined in advance.
Ownership is regulated in paragraph 7,[1] and responsibility for issuing a gun ownership license is given to the police authority in the applicant's district.
Rifle and shotgun ownership permission can be given to "sober and responsible" persons 18 years or older. The applicant for the permission must document a need for the weapon. Two exceptions exist to this age qualification. Persons under the age of 18, but over 16 may apply for rifle or shotgun ownership licence with the consent of parents or guardian. For handguns, the lowest ownership age is 21 with no exceptions allowed. For inherited weapons, it is up to the local police chief to make a decision based on the individual facts of the case.
An applicant must have a clean police record in order to obtain an ownership license.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Norway)
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I speculated that this particular individual should not have had the guns that were used in the shootout.
Countries that have strict gun laws have far fewer incidents of gun violence. There are ample statistics to prove this.
The reason it was possible for the kids in the Columbine shootings to acquire their guns was because there are a huge number of guns in circulation.
Obviously, a seriously dedicated individual can get guns illegally if he tries really hard to do so. But most acts of gun violence are not meticulously thought out acts like this one.
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Countries that have strict gun laws have far fewer incidents of gun violence. There are ample statistics to prove this.
Fewer than what?
Fewer than they would otherwise ?
Austrailia had little gun violence, then after a massacre much like this one they came up with very strict gun restrictions, then like majic, they had little gun violence.
There really are not ample clean unprejudiced statistics to prove this.
By carefully contaminateing the stats you can get qhatever one wants .
At Columbine no leagally obtained wepons were used, someone who is plotting like this isn't handicapped by a regulation that makes it hard to move a gun leagally.
What most of these massacres have in common is a gunman attracted to a helpless population "protected" from haveing any guns themselves.
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let me quess.....it was a Muslim?
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-QOb3RUaBiIY/TisASYopQqI/AAAAAAAADmA/9HCB5pwYQZ8/s1600/oslo.jpg)
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What most of these massacres have in common is a gunman attracted to a helpless population "protected" from haveing any guns themselves.
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People in most common situations everywhere in which there is massacres don't have guns, whether guns are legal or not.
Nearly all gun deaths are accidental (like children shooting other children or adults) or domestic disputes, not massacres of anonymous people. Such events are horrible, but rare.
Countries that have lots of guns, have a lot of such gun deaths. Countries where guns are outlawed have much less. The US has more than all other developed countries on a per capita basis.
I am not for gun control in the US, simply because the time has passed for that: there are too far many guns to confiscate them and doing so would provoke even more violence. We are just stuck with way too many guns. They should have been outlawed in the 1950's.
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let me quess.....it was a Muslim?
http://news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-deems-killings-atrocious-needed-013354792.html (http://news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-deems-killings-atrocious-needed-013354792.html)
Notably:
...Breivik hated "cultural marxists," wanted a "crusade" against the spread of Islam and liked guns and weightlifting, web postings, acquaintances and officials said...
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Countries that have lots of guns, have a lot of such gun deaths...
Have you looked at Switzerland? As I understand it, most the adult males there are considered members of the military reserve, and keep weapons at home. How much violent crime do you hear about there?
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let me quess.....it was a Muslim?
Yes quite!
I remember this same sort of speculation way back to the Oklahoma city bombing at the Murrow Building.
There is no office of propaganda assigned to make us think this way, what is causing this bias?
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Swiss men are mostly all officially trained members of the Army, unless they are exempted , and few are. The weapons they keep at home are under severe restrictions as to every aspect of where they are kept and how they must not be loaded.
The Swiss are not Americans, they are intensely law-abiding and orderly people.They are not Norwegians, either.
John McPhee wrote about the Swiss Army in great detail inLa Place de la Concorde Suisse, an excellent book in English with a French title. That pretty much tells us why Swiss are very unlikely to go ape and go ballistic on one another.
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"There is no office of propaganda assigned to make us think this way, what is causing this bias?"
Reality!
Reality causes this "bias".
Thats like asking....why you make sure your doors are locked in the ghetto more than in Beverly Hills.
Sure a violent crime "could" happen either place.....but we know where it is more likely.
Reality sends signal to brain....rightfully so....that there is a higher level of danger present.
The fact is Muslims in the last couple of months killed more innocent people
in the name of their religion than this half-wit in Norway.
Ok, this time it appears to not be a Muslim, but that
in no way means "the score is even".....Muslims
are in headlines all over the world every single day
murderering and butchering innocent civilians like no
other religion in the world today. Yes this guy was
an evil sick bastard in Norway, but these kinds of bombings
and attacks against innocent civilians happen extremely
rarely from non-Muslims in the name of whatever religion
but sadly they happen very often from Muslims. Huge difference!
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Swiss men are mostly all officially trained members of the Army, unless they are exempted , and few are. The weapons they keep at home are under severe restrictions as to every aspect of where they are kept and how they must not be loaded.
The Swiss are not Americans, they are intensely law-abiding and orderly people.They are not Norwegians, either.
John McPhee wrote about the Swiss Army in great detail inLa Place de la Concorde Suisse, an excellent book in English with a French title. That pretty much tells us why Swiss are very unlikely to go ape and go ballistic on one another.
you make up phony shit for everything. What kind of bullshit are you going to make up about Israel. I bet every Israeli family has a few guns or so.
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Most Israeli families are not armed, but I understand that most of those in the WB are.
Read McPhee's book on Switzerland. I did not write it, nor did I make it up.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-07-24-norway-explosion_n.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-07-24-norway-explosion_n.htm)
To Anders Behring Breivik, the Norway explosion and shootings that killed at least 93 people were a "marketing method" for his manifesto, which not only lays out his extreme nationalist philosophy but reveals his attack methods and encourages like-thinkers to do their own mass killing.
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"He wanted a change in society and, from his perspective, he needed to force through a revolution," Lippestad told public broadcaster NRK. "He wished to attack society and the structure of society."
Lippestad said his client wrote the 1,500-page manifesto alone — though a reading shows that parts were lifted from the writings of U.S. mail bomber Ted Kaczynski. It's part anti-immigrant rant, part diary and part prediction of a judgment day.
So he is mostly like the unibomber, killing just to get hos wordy mannefesto published.
Disgusting.
He may never realise how bad he makes his cause appear, nor that his crime is an order of magnitude worse than any problem he wanted to call attention to.
How much does "marketing" figure into other terrorism? Is this the cheapest way to become famous?
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Americans doing thier own work without immigrants?
Interesting,has their been any research at how viable it would be? All I
Hear is speculation. It's easy to say it would work but that also means nothing. How about real data like labor cost effecting economy and other such data?
Let's put it this way - the last time America imported cheap labor, we wound up with a civil war.
The "cheap labor" schtick seems to have a way of never ending well......
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Let's put it this way - the last time America imported cheap labor, we wound up with a civil war.
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Not really, after the Civil War the US imported millions from Europe, and nearly all were cheap labor.
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How much does "marketing" figure into other terrorism? Is this the cheapest way to become famous?
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Killing people en masse is probably the cheapest way to become infamous. But not to become rich and famous
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Swiss men are mostly all officially trained members of the Army, unless they are exempted , and few are. The weapons they keep at home are under severe restrictions as to every aspect of where they are kept and how they must not be loaded.
The Swiss are not Americans, they are intensely law-abiding and orderly people.They are not Norwegians, either.
John McPhee wrote about the Swiss Army in great detail inLa Place de la Concorde Suisse, an excellent book in English with a French title. That pretty much tells us why Swiss are very unlikely to go ape and go ballistic on one another.
So? You said, and I quote "Countries that have lots of guns, have a lot of such gun deaths." Are you trying to retroactively modify that statement now?
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AMAZING!
"Even if the Norwegian court throws the book at the gunman and convicts him of the most extreme charges, the maximum prison sentence allowed by Norwegian law is 21 years, legal experts point out. After murdering 76 innocent people in cold blood at the age of 32, therefore, Anders Breivik would be a free man at 53".
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No, but the guns Swiss have in their homes are understood to be used only in defense of the country.
Reports of children shooting one another with said guns are few. And Switzerland is unlike other nations with regard to guns.
There are 200 nations on this planet. There are some exceptions to all genera;l statements, and this is one of them.
Japan has few guns and few gun deaths.The US has many many guns and many many gun deaths.
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Her's a shocker for you then, X: the vast majority of Americans who own guns own them lawfully, and use them purely for recreational purposes, or for the defense of themselves, their family or others, just as the Swiss do. It is the much smaller minority that use guns to commit crime that you hear abot and base your calls for banning them on. You want to ban them, come and get them. I'm just saying, I've owned them lawfully and used them lawfully all my life, and I'm not giving them up to you or anyone else, especially with all these criminal murdering bastards out there with unlawful guns you say I might need to defend myself against.
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I did not say that I was in favor of banning guns in the US. It would have been a good idea fifty years ago, before there were so many guns around. Now, it would cause more problems to seize guns than it would solve.
It would be great if more Americans were more like the Swiss. I do not see this happening. There are still far too many domestic gun incidents and domestic gun accidents as well as crimes involving guns.
I donlt think anyone can disagree with that.
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I did not say that I was in favor of banning guns in the US. It would have been a good idea fifty years ago, before there were so many guns around. Now, it would cause more problems to seize guns than it would solve.
It would be great if more Americans were more like the Swiss. I do not see this happening. There are still far too many domestic gun incidents and domestic gun accidents as well as crimes involving guns.
I donlt think anyone can disagree with that.
Were there more guns percapata fifty years ago?
I would have thought otherwise.
True the policys of Clinton and Obama inspired panicked volume buying pushing sales outta sight, strangely co-incident with large declines in violent crime, but the population has increased a lot also, has the commoness of firearms really kept up?
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The number of guns owned by private citizens has increased greatly. I know several people who own more than 20 guns, rifles and shotguns.
People do not buy guns based on "policies".They buy guns based on fear, and perhaps greed, since guns tend to increase in value, unlike other things. The gun collectors I know believe that their guns are an "investment". This may or may not be true. It is only an investment when you have sold something for a profit. Prior to that, unless the rate of return is guaranteed, it is a form of speculation.
Again, I do not think it would be possible to confiscate as many guns as there are without causing more problems than than are caused by the abundance of guns.
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What problem is being caused by the abundance of guns?
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What problem is being caused by the abundance of guns?
the gun does nothing but society has deteriorated at bit and of course liberalism has played a large role in that.
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The abundance of guns, of course, multiplies the possibility that there will be violent and criminal people who have access to guns. Compare the gun death rate in Japan with that of the US, and you will see that this is true.
There are two ways that such deaths are prevented: a culture that has a strong aversion to violence, and a society in which there are few guns available. The US, in particular the Southern part, has neither.
You er many times more likely to get shot in Texas than in North Dakota.
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You er many times more likely to get shot in Texas than in North Dakota.
Yeah that's a real logical analogy being that Texas has probably
20 times the population of North Dakota and North Dakota is
probably pretty much all white. ::)
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I was referring to the number of murders per 1000.
By "murder rate", I mean the statistical probability that one might get shot.
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The abundance of guns, of course, multiplies the possibility that there will be violent and criminal people who have access to guns. Compare the gun death rate in Japan with that of the US, and you will see that this is true.
There are two ways that such deaths are prevented: a culture that has a strong aversion to violence, and a society in which there are few guns available. The US, in particular the Southern part, has neither.
You er many times more likely to get shot in Texas than in North Dakota.
Two weeks ago remove Japan and insert Norway the guns laws probably are similar if not stricter in Norway. Hey Bozo, it could happen anywhere & any place, get that through you thick skull! The problem isn't the gun it's liberalism. The cancer of liberalism has entrenched itself deep into society. As perversion becomes more common place society deteriorates and as it deteriorates more crazy people are running around doing more & more crazy stuff. And make no mistake the guy in Norway is looney tunes. Why would a guy that blames Muslims & hates Muslims not go out and kill Muslims? The crazy guy killed a bunch of non-Muslims. That's why something like this wasn't heard of 20 years ago. Idiots like Obama are just making the world worse than it was before him!!! All these liberal countries are infested with Obamatypes and that is the worlds biggest challenge right now. Idiots that cater to perversion!
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It would be great if more Americans were more like the Swiss. I do not see this happening. There are still far too many domestic gun incidents and domestic gun accidents as well as crimes involving guns.
I donlt think anyone can disagree with that.
Maybe not, but there are far too many traffic 'accidents' caused by irresponsible drivers as well, killing, I believe, around 40,000 people a year. I don't see you moaning about that with the same energy.
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There are surely more unnecessary deaths caused by morons driving than by morons using guns. However, a motor vehicle is a far more essential and useful thing to own than a gun. I do not see why I have an obligation to complain about things, ranked in order decided on by someone else.
And those people in Norway were not killed by "Liberalism", but by a crazy right wing reactionary moron resembling yourself, Kramer.
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There are surely more unnecessary deaths caused by morons driving than by morons using guns. However, a motor vehicle is a far more essential and useful thing to own than a gun. I do not see why I have an obligation to complain about things, ranked in order decided on by someone else.
And those people in Norway were not killed by "Liberalism", but by a crazy right wing reactionary moron resembling yourself, Kramer.
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If liberalism AKA Socialism can destroy a city like Detroit it certainly destroys societies, communities, and countries. The gun is much safer than liberals like you. People like you have put us in financial crises mode. If you aren't capable of seeing that then surly you can't see your penis when you pee.
Liberals like you should be controlled with the same energy as guns.
you see the thing is that radicals have hijacked and run the Democrat Party. The JFK Democrat Party is dead but many decent people (misguided) still vote Democrat because they have for years and their daddy did too. But the liberals now run the party and they are very dangerous. When you take Obama and understand that his friends are Rev Wright and Bill Ayers then you begin to understand what I am talking about. So anyway people are dangerous not guns and clearly liberals fear guns for some crazy reason.
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The abundance of guns, of course, multiplies the possibility that there will be violent and criminal people who have access to guns.
This is specificly the bit that isn't true, a criminal intent on crime does what he must to commit the crime.
A sense of shame would do much more to prevent crime than any attempt to frustrate the criminal.
Did you notice the quote from the essay that claimed that the murder rate in England was higher before guns were introduced? I understand this intuitively since I think of guns in their protective role first.
I think you have focused on the madman with the gun he was willing to cross six borders to obtain, I am focused on the large croud trapped on the island without a wepons.
Do you think it would be easyer to improve that situation by makeing it totally impossible for a madman to find a wepon or by makeing it totally impossible to find a croud that was completely unarmed?
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Every time I hear about some nutjob running amok and killing a large number of people, I always wonder, how many might have been saved if there had been one or more people there with a legal, licensed firearm?
Criminals and nutjobs are always going to be able to get guns. When you disarm the law abiding citizens, you deprive them of any chance of fighting back. And don't count on the police to prevent anything - they are reactive and only any good after the crime has been committed.
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But wouldn't those armed persons simply be the first target? Theirs a reason exfelon can't own bullet proof vests
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When bulletproof vests are outlawed, only the outlaws will have bulletproof vests.
If every person who owned a gun that could carry it around with him all the time were to do so, I am pretty sure that a lot more people would get shot.
It is like wondering why Chuck Norris cannot be around at every violent incident.
Not the real Chuck Norris, the one he plays in films, who cannot get out of a car without it exploding.
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I still remember one movie he was buried in his truck and he poured beer on himself to wake up and drove out of the ground .he was a texas ranger in that movie long before walker
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Chuck Norris was not that bad as an actor, but he acted in a huge number of very silly films which were credible only to the preteen boys on the short bus.
Because he had a box office draw, he was typecast as a hero of moronic macho movies, possibly the shortest guy ever chosen to do so.
Bruce Lee was also short, but Chinese are not expected to be tall. In kung fu films, the really big guys tend to be mindless goon accomplices of the bad guys, at least in the films I have seen.
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Chuck Norris was not that bad as an actor, but he acted in a huge number of very silly films which were credible only to the preteen boys on the short bus.
Because he had a box office draw, he was typecast as a hero of moronic macho movies, possibly the shortest guy ever chosen to do so.
Bruce Lee was also short, but Chinese are not expected to be tall. In kung fu films, the really big guys tend to be mindless goon accomplices of the bad guys, at least in the films I have seen.
guess you never heard of Micky Rooney.
ya big dummy
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Ambush_Bay/70023256?trkid=2361637 (http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Ambush_Bay/70023256?trkid=2361637)
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Because he had a box office draw, he was typecast as a hero of moronic macho movies, possibly the shortest guy ever chosen to do so.
5' 10" - I can think of lots of action stars that are shorter than he is. Sly Stallone, Tom Cruise, Johnny Depp, Mel Gibson are all shorter than he is.
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If every person who owned a gun that could carry it around with him all the time were to do so, I am pretty sure that a lot more people would get shot.
That is the assumption that I have in reverse.
I have heard several times of a mad gunman seeking a campus or a post office or somewhere elese that forbids the ordinary people to be armed.
Does anyone know of an instance when a mad gunman sought out a hunting camp , maybe a gun show?
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If every person who owned a gun that could carry it around with him all the time were to do so, I am pretty sure that a lot more people would get shot.
That is the assumption that I have in reverse.
I have heard several times of a mad gunman seeking a campus or a post office or somewhere elese that forbids the ordinary people to be armed.
Does anyone know of an instance when a mad gunman sought out a hunting camp , maybe a gun show?
who in their right mind would stick up a gun shop?
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What I meant was a lot of people with short tempers are a lot more threatening if they are armed. I said nothing about any gun shop or gun show.
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What I meant was a lot of people with short tempers are a lot more threatening if they are armed. I said nothing about any gun shop or gun show.
you are forever putting words in my mouth.
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Not sure this is a good example.
A lone Hmong hunter wiped out a hunting group by himself.but since he's by himself I'm pretty sure it's self defense.
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Not sure this is a good example.
A lone Hmong hunter wiped out a hunting group by himself.but since he's by himself I'm pretty sure it's self defense.
I remember that, pretty unusual case.
Last time I went to a hunting camp we all had rifles and the casualty rate was zero.
Amazeing eh?
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this remind me of a stocktan man who set his car on fire and went to a grade school to shoot up vietnamese children and shoot himself afterwards. they found in his apartment wall the words "death to satin". I`m spelling it correctly
it was in the 80`s
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Death to satin.
He was apparently confused about the origins of satin (which does not, to my knowledge, normally come from Vietnam) or the fact that Satan is spelled with two a's and Satan was apparently created as a creature whose lifespan is entirely controlled by God according to some rather complicated prophesies.
Satan started out as a talking reptile who apparently walked erect and was capable of convincing at least one woman to make an extremely poor culinary choice. Satan's demise is stipulated in the Book of Revelation, in which Jesus returns, rules the Earth in harmony for 1000 years (which I surmise have not yet occurred) and then turns it all over to Satan, who makes a mess of things and is destroyed. Why he needs to be put in charge seems illogical, but like the rest of the Book of Revelation, makes no sense.
The connection between the fabric and/or the murder of Vietnamese children seems to me to be extremely tenuous.
It is a tossup whether this guy or the Book of Revelation is nuttier, but only one has been certified by the Church as Holy Writ.
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Reguardless of the reason that a nut might cite.
It would always be better for the nut not to be the best armed around.
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If every person who owned a gun that could carry it around with him all the time were to do so, I am pretty sure that a lot more people would get shot.
That is the assumption that I have in reverse.
I have heard several times of a mad gunman seeking a campus or a post office or somewhere elese that forbids the ordinary people to be armed.
Does anyone know of an instance when a mad gunman sought out a hunting camp , maybe a gun show?
who in their right mind would stick up a gun shop?
Right mind doesn't apply for these mad shooters, but most of them seem canny enough to make it to an unarmed croud.
I have seen a "No Guns Allowed" sign posted in the post office, I wonder if even one shooting has ever been prevented this way?
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I just googled it and got nothing.
it was pretty much assumed the guy was just a bad speller and thought killing vietnamese children was a good idea.
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I just googled it and got nothing.
it was pretty much assumed the guy was just a bad speller and thought killing vietnamese children was a good idea.
you will find things on Bing that Google censors.
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it was pretty much assumed the guy was just a bad speller and thought killing vietnamese children was a good idea.
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The bad speller part is almost certainly true. Few people wish to murder any sort of fabric.
WHY he thought killing Vietnamese children was a proper response to wishing to "kill Satan" (or satin) was something that could be found out only by interviewing him, probably by someone trained in psycopathic behavior. I can imagine Satan wearing shiny red satin more easily than wearing terrycloth, a gauze tutu or Clan McDonald tartan, come to think of it. Satan is often shown as being shiny and red.